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[Argolas]

Look at the salarian war assets and how you get them.

• Salarian First fleet (+possibly Mordin): Sabotage genophage cure
• Salarian third fleet/STG Task Force: Save the salarian councillor
• Kirrahe: Save him to get his personal support
• Special tasks group: Don't save Kirrahe and talk to Tolan

So let my get this straight:

If Shepard does not betray betray his/her allies and doesn't make any Salarian owe him/her a personal favor, the Salarians don't contribute to the war effort at all.

Then there's the fact that Sur'Kesh saw the least war of all the homeworlds of the council species.

What the hell have those people doing?

Modifié par Argolas, 06 avril 2013 - 11:29 .

[Wynterdust]

They don't see as much of the conflict because their home system is further away from darkspace. The reapers just haven't reached them yet as they are too busy hitting the humans, turians, batarians and asari whos home systems are closer to the edge of the galaxy.

[Argolas]

Wynterdust wrote...

They don't see as much of the conflict because their home system is further away from darkspace. The reapers just haven't reached them yet as they are too busy hitting the humans, turians, batarians and asari whos home systems are closer to the edge of the galaxy.

That doesn't explain what they are doing. Eating flies while the Reapers tear the galaxy apart?

[Wulfram]

To be fair it's not like any of the other races really step up until either Shepard does them a favour or their world falls. Except perhaps the Asari, and they had their councillor saved by Shepard.

And paying too much attention to the war assets is probably unwise. For example, there's no "Salarian Scientists" war asset even if you got their full support, when there clearly should be.

But, yeah, the Salarians don't seem to exactly cover themselves in glory. Though they'll also probably come out of the war in the best shape, with an intact homeworld and more or less intact fleet. I think this is actually potentially a pretty interesting set up for future plots - the Salarians are likely to be the leading power for at least a while after the Reaper War, but also politically isolated due to resentments about them not committing to the fight.

edit: As to what they're doing, presumably they're protecting Sur'kesh.  The Reapers never launched a full campaign against them until the end, but I believe there were probing attack, and if they'd left their capital exposed the Reapers probably would have diverted a fleet their way.

Modifié par Wulfram, 06 avril 2013 - 12:33 .

[deatharmonic]

Argolas wrote...

Wynterdust wrote...

They don't see as much of the conflict because their home system is further away from darkspace. The reapers just haven't reached them yet as they are too busy hitting the humans, turians, batarians and asari whos home systems are closer to the edge of the galaxy.

That doesn't explain what they are doing. Eating flies while the Reapers tear the galaxy apart?

I can't remember who, but doesn't one of them admit they would rather dodge this war entirely a lay low?

[thyrandomninja]

there's one more Salarian asset. I don't remember what its called, but you get it by curing the genophage. some salarians ignore the dalatrass' orders and join your fight because they undersatand the whole situation.

[Argolas]

thyrandomninja wrote...

there's one more Salarian asset. I don't remember what its called, but you get it by curing the genophage. some salarians ignore the dalatrass' orders and join your fight because they undersatand the whole situation.

You sure? I saw nothing like that on the wiki.

[conjmk]

They're self concerned bastards shepard!!!!

F*&K the salarians, except Mordin.

[Ice Cold J]

 To be fair most races don't ofer war assets unless you "help them." (We're forced to over the plot of the game, but it's still the same).

My best guess would be that they are tinkering in their labs tryingt o come up with a scientific way to defeat the Reapers, assuming they are better scientists than the rest of the galaxy (pretty much true anyway) and they're better suited to come up with this solution by biding their time looking ofr a solution rather than helping the other council races.

Sounds KIND of like what the Protheans did, no?

[Argolas]

Ice Cold J wrote...

 To be fair most races don't ofer war assets unless you "help them." (We're forced to over the plot of the game, but it's still the same).

My best guess would be that they are tinkering in their labs tryingt o come up with a scientific way to defeat the Reapers, assuming they are better scientists than the rest of the galaxy (pretty much true anyway) and they're better suited to come up with this solution by biding their time looking ofr a solution rather than helping the other council races.

Sounds KIND of like what the Protheans did, no?

The Turians and Asari are at least fighting. The Turians offer an actually sensible bargain for commiting their fleets while their homeworld is burning. The Asari ask for nothing and just join after the Cerberus coup. But the Salarians?

If they are figuring out something, that's great, but nothing ever happened. And their fleets are, according to the codex, extremely effective. They didn't do anything.

[David7204]

The salarians don't contribute to the war effort on Earth. That's doesn't mean they aren't fighting Reapers in their own systems.

[hiraeth]

I thought there was one for Jondum Bau (the spectre that helps recruit Kasumi). Maybe that's only if you got Kasumi's DLC in ME2. In any case, he's salarian...

[Ruadh]

I reckon they sat around diddling themselves and hoping the threat would pass. They were useless. I wish I coulda seen the salarians get their asses handed to them, especially if it was at the hands of the krogan. Saying that, I have a tendency to be rather renegady.

[Sovereign330]

Argolas wrote...

Wynterdust wrote...

They don't see as much of the conflict because their home system is further away from darkspace. The reapers just haven't reached them yet as they are too busy hitting the humans, turians, batarians and asari whos home systems are closer to the edge of the galaxy.

That doesn't explain what they are doing. Eating flies while the Reapers tear the galaxy apart?

Trying to avoid the war for as long as possible

[knightnblu]

Uplifting the Yahg and bio-engineering varren to do the heavy lifting. Udina tells you on the Citadel that the Salarians like their wars won before they start. Because they ignored Shepard's warnings for three years they now find the Reapers at their back door and they don't have any intelligence, they don't have any plans in position, and they don't have any troops capable of fending off such a threat. In short they are caught between a rock and a hard place and they don't have any time to maneuver, build, or plan.

They don't look too bright now do they?

[Yervan]

They're just a bunch of pyjackasses for sure. (EXCLUDE MORDIN AND KIRAHHE).

DAMN I still want to trigger renegade interrupt to the Dalatrass.

[Legendary_Chicken]

Sovereign330 wrote...

Argolas wrote...

Wynterdust wrote...

They don't see as much of the conflict because their home system is further away from darkspace. The reapers just haven't reached them yet as they are too busy hitting the humans, turians, batarians and asari whos home systems are closer to the edge of the galaxy.

That doesn't explain what they are doing. Eating flies while the Reapers tear the galaxy apart?

Trying to avoid the war for as long as possible

Funny how they don't commit as much to the war effort until the war hits home. You could say that about a few of the races, though.

[Palidane]

As a Paragon player, I got Kirrahe and the Third Fleet. I thought that was kinda weak for a Council race, but then I realized that if you add up the Volus contributions, they give double that. Shameful.

[Wulfram]

MassEffectFShep wrote...

I thought there was one for Jondum Bau (the spectre that helps recruit Kasumi). Maybe that's only if you got Kasumi's DLC in ME2. In any case, he's salarian...

It's a Spectre war asset rather than a Salarian one, though Bau is presumably behind it.  Though I always wonder what the hell else the Spectres are supposed to be doing.

If you don't have the Kasumi DLC you have to choose between saving him (getting the Spectre War Asset) and saving the Hanar homeworld (getting a bigger war asset)

[JackBravo69]

I liked most salarian characters in the trilogy! Salarians as a race are scum! Only in my most renegade, desperate Shep did i get their support. They refuse their aid in face of "armaggedon" out of spite! In my 1st playthrough i thought in the end they would give in and offer their help even with Shep curing the genophage but NOOOOOOO. In the final battle i had the geth, the krogan, the quarians, humans, the turians, hell i even had aria´s 3 gangs but no salarians!

They were either willing to die just to spite Shepard or they were cold bastards holding back their resources while the rest of the galaxy was wasting theirs fighting the reapers so that if the reapers lost the salarians would be prepared to take over the galaxy and enslave the other races, now too weak post reaper war to defend themselves and resist.

Either way... scum.

[thyrandomninja]

Argolas wrote...

thyrandomninja wrote...

there's one more Salarian asset. I don't remember what its called, but you get it by curing the genophage. some salarians ignore the dalatrass' orders and join your fight because they undersatand the whole situation.

You sure? I saw nothing like that on the wiki.

i got it on my paragon run. it's a while after the tuchanka episode, but Hackett eventually tells you that a few STG units are chipping in regardless of the dalatrass' demands.

Modifié par thyrandomninja, 06 avril 2013 - 06:38 .

[Ice Cold J]

Argolas wrote...

Ice Cold J wrote...

 To be fair most races don't ofer war assets unless you "help them." (We're forced to over the plot of the game, but it's still the same).

My best guess would be that they are tinkering in their labs tryingt o come up with a scientific way to defeat the Reapers, assuming they are better scientists than the rest of the galaxy (pretty much true anyway) and they're better suited to come up with this solution by biding their time looking ofr a solution rather than helping the other council races.

Sounds KIND of like what the Protheans did, no?

The Turians and Asari are at least fighting. The Turians offer an actually sensible bargain for commiting their fleets while their homeworld is burning. The Asari ask for nothing and just join after the Cerberus coup. But the Salarians?

If they are figuring out something, that's great, but nothing ever happened. And their fleets are, according to the codex, extremely effective. They didn't do anything.

I agree with everything you say... just playing devil's advocate for the Salarians.

They should have offered their full support helping the humans, Turians, Asari, Krogan, Quarians, and/or Geth fighting the Reapers, cause chances are without any of them, they would have had no chance in the end at all...

[conjmk]

Yervan wrote...

They're just a bunch of pyjackasses for sure. (EXCLUDE MORDIN AND KIRAHHE).

DAMN I still want to trigger renegade interrupt to the Dalatrass.

It always pisses me off when she calls you a "bully". B&*ch you're the one who neutered an entire race! Have fun getting your amphibian ass kicked by the reapers. 

Modifié par conjmk, 06 avril 2013 - 07:02 .

[DirtySHISN0]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

The Council races in general are pretty useless to the war effort. The quarians are worth more than any of them, and there's only 17 million of them. The krogan are worth more than any of them, and they don't even have ships.

Thats due to  the value that was placed on those perticular units to stimulate gameplay, not to simulate realism.

The values weren't correctly expressed, of course a fleet of 50k is going to be more useful than Major Kirrahe or a squad of Asari.