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[addiction21]

I find the people that say "OMG I am not buying the DLC but will instead buy ME2 because I do not trust BW now and that should show BW how angry I am" much more funny then the "I am not getting either" crowd.

[StrikeSaber47]

KCFender wrote...

Seriously? I bought the CE of Dragon Age and all it's been good for is to give my player character a helmet and a couple of books to buff the stats a bit.

User-made mods are free and can do the exact same thing. The game itself is never any different than the CE versions. It's no loss to me, really. ME2 regular edition will be just as fun.

And I'm mainly buying the game because I'm a huge Martin Sheen fan. Seriously, I'll buy anything that features the voice of the man who narrated the greatest movie of all time (Apocalypse Now).

And, yes, it's a "different team", but it's the same company, and each team is basically just operating under the same management. If I find DA's customer service to be rotten, I don't imagine ME's will be a rose garden of thoughtfulness and consideration.

A few problems with that.

1) ME 2 will have NO mods. The engine core code used is based off of the X360. PC Version is a PORT from it (hope it is an in-house port, not some Demiurge PoS). Therefore NO SDK or Toolkit will EVER be released. EVER. So NO mods.

2) Item bonuses in ME 2 are more effective than the ones in DA:O (Terminus Armor and that Black Hole Generator? = Win!).

3) I seriously LOL at the standard cover art.

4) Casey Hudson learned his lesson when his developers got flamed really badly over Pinnacle Station. At least they will show compassion and swore fealty to their gamers this time around.

5) Collector's Edition gets you the first comic with a special edition cover and don't forget the tin box! HA!

PS: Dragon Age's core code was based off the PC (with the Console Versions the ports), hence why a DA Toolkit was possible. Anything made with the consoles as the core code to the game renders a Toolkit nearly-impossible if the PC Version is going to be a port of it (which I think so far it is still confirmed to be a PORT).

Modifié par StrikeSaber47, 15 janvier 2010 - 07:30 .

[wonko33]

chulaq wrote...

I find this so funny that someone would actully do something like that.
Like has already been stated, 2 diffrent teams.

People are not complaining about the quality of the game (yeah that would be more related to the team) they are upset at all the missed date and misinformation, and DLC policies. I think it is valid to blame that on mother company policies as well as local team competency.

[StrikeSaber47]

wonko33 wrote...

chulaq wrote...

I find this so funny that someone would actully do something like that.
Like has already been stated, 2 diffrent teams.

People are not complaining about the quality of the game (yeah that would be more related to the team) they are upset at all the missed date and misinformation, and DLC policies. I think it is valid to blame that on mother company policies as well as local team competency.

Then go flame EA. Not BioWare. EA isn't a compassionate company since ever (hell I rather save my spit to go flame Activision Blizzard instead).

[StrikeSaber47]

Double Post.<_<

Modifié par StrikeSaber47, 15 janvier 2010 - 07:35 .

[wonko33]

StrikeSaber47 wrote...

KCFender wrote...

Seriously? I bought the CE of Dragon Age and all it's been good for is to give my player character a helmet and a couple of books to buff the stats a bit.

User-made mods are free and can do the exact same thing. The game itself is never any different than the CE versions. It's no loss to me, really. ME2 regular edition will be just as fun.

And I'm mainly buying the game because I'm a huge Martin Sheen fan. Seriously, I'll buy anything that features the voice of the man who narrated the greatest movie of all time (Apocalypse Now).

And, yes, it's a "different team", but it's the same company, and each team is basically just operating under the same management. If I find DA's customer service to be rotten, I don't imagine ME's will be a rose garden of thoughtfulness and consideration.

A few problems with that.


2) Item bonuses in ME 2 are more effective than the ones in DA:O (Terminus Armor and that Black Hole Generator? = Win!).

3) I seriously LOL at the standard cover art.

4) Casey Hudson learned his lesson when his developers got flamed really badly over Pinnacle Station. At least they will show compassion and swore fealty to their gamers this time around.

5) Collector's Edition gets you the first comic with a special edition cover and don't forget the tin box! HA!

2- you are assuming a lot. Especially about game mechanics of a game that's not out yet, especially after the ads Bioware had for DAO that have nothing to do with real gameplay

3- yes i really care what the box will look like in my pile of game boxes

4-again assuming

5- All my DAO CE trinkets are sitting untouched under a pile on my desk

[addiction21]

StrikeSaber47 wrote...

wonko33 wrote...

chulaq wrote...

I find this so funny that someone would actully do something like that.
Like has already been stated, 2 diffrent teams.

People are not complaining about the quality of the game (yeah that would be more related to the team) they are upset at all the missed date and misinformation, and DLC policies. I think it is valid to blame that on mother company policies as well as local team competency.

Then go flame EA. Not BioWare. EA isn't a compassionate company since ever (hell I rather save my spit to go flame Activision Blizzard instead).

Your spit is flamable? That is scary...

[StrikeSaber47]

wonko33 wrote...

StrikeSaber47 wrote...

KCFender wrote...

Seriously? I bought the CE of Dragon Age and all it's been good for is to give my player character a helmet and a couple of books to buff the stats a bit.

User-made mods are free and can do the exact same thing. The game itself is never any different than the CE versions. It's no loss to me, really. ME2 regular edition will be just as fun.

And I'm mainly buying the game because I'm a huge Martin Sheen fan. Seriously, I'll buy anything that features the voice of the man who narrated the greatest movie of all time (Apocalypse Now).

And, yes, it's a "different team", but it's the same company, and each team is basically just operating under the same management. If I find DA's customer service to be rotten, I don't imagine ME's will be a rose garden of thoughtfulness and consideration.

A few problems with that.


2) Item bonuses in ME 2 are more effective than the ones in DA:O (Terminus Armor and that Black Hole Generator? = Win!).

3) I seriously LOL at the standard cover art.

4) Casey Hudson learned his lesson when his developers got flamed really badly over Pinnacle Station. At least they will show compassion and swore fealty to their gamers this time around.

5) Collector's Edition gets you the first comic with a special edition cover and don't forget the tin box! HA!

2- you are assuming a lot. Especially about game mechanics of a game that's not out yet, especially after the ads Bioware had for DAO that have nothing to do with real gameplay

3- yes i really care what the box will look like in my pile of game boxes

4-again assuming

5- All my DAO CE trinkets are sitting untouched under a pile on my desk

Well, based on being a MASS EFFECT 1 PC Owner. The chances for a SDK to emerge is equivalent of seeing pigs fly (don't worry, I spend a good deal of time on the old forums as well). Also, Casey did say that he is listening to the fans this time in various interviews and many of the options and features in the game are all based off of our various criticisms and requests. This is all from the lead developer, not me going off based on some social trend. Now I need to go to class now so let my flaming spit roar.

[Charliff01]

Why cancel a good game? Just because they mess up rto? No way, Bioware games are far to good not to buy them.

[KCFender]

Different teams does not mean different companies.
Both teams operate under the same management and share profits.
I'm not boycotting the game, I'm boycotting the company.
And to clarify: I'm not boycotting out of dissatisfaction over their products or over their delays. I'm boycotting them due to how they've handled the delays.
Every delay has occurred HOURS before the product's supposed release. The last delay wasn't EVEN announced. They just left us hanging, giving them money, under the pretense that the product's availability was imminent. They announced the DLC would be available shortly (perhaps so people would buy more BW Points) and then... nothing. A day later we're told, "Oh yeah, by the way, the PC version is delayed again."
These delays have resulted in BioWare receiving more money than had they announced the delays in a more timely fashion. Is this on purpose? I'm starting to believe so. I have yet to even hear a simple PR-fashion apology for these hold-to-the-last-minute delay announcements. Or in the case of this last delay, not even announcing it. Instead of announcing delay, they announce the product's availability. I'm sure they have excuses for that, but I frankly find them to be just that: excuses.
I don't want to give a company like this my money. I buy cigars and cigarettes from companies that have been proven to not care about the fact that their products give me cancer. I find them more honorable and ethical than BioWare. At least when I pay for my smokes, I get my smokes. If I opened a cigarette pack after buying it and only to see nothing in there but a note saying "Don't worry. You'll get them eventually. We're working on it," then I'd boycott cigarettes. Until then Philip-Morris>BioWare.

I'm slightly exaggerating things, mostly to amuse myself, but the principle of my boycott is basically as I've stated. Don't actively sell your customers things that don't exist, and take their money regardless. If you have to delay a product, don't announce it's availability on the same day while using a system that lets customer pay in advance for these products. Totally unethical.


EDIT:
"Why cancel a good game? Just because they mess up rto? No way, Bioware games are far to good not to buy them."

I sort of agree, which is why I'll hold my nose and buy Mass Effect 2. But I'm at least buying a used version for as cheap a price tag as I can find.

Modifié par KCFender, 15 janvier 2010 - 07:42 .

[MonkeyChief117]

Well i'm not worried about ME2 (day 1 purchase for me) but i am worried about Awakenings - this much fuss over a 40min DLC, how are they going to manage a 15hour expansion!? But ME is gonna be epic - 2 weeks to go!

[coolguy125]

i dont understand how ppl dont have rto i got it and played the thing what the hell happend?

[BanditGR]

rhetthom wrote...

I don't have any problem with the DLC getting delayed. I'm to preoccupied with my "perfect" Mass Effect playthrough

Basically, this. That being said, we are indeed talking about 2 different teams here and the ME2 team seems to have made a good job, judging from what we've seen and read so far (of course the ultimate test will be in a dozen days or so but still). I'm personally a Christina Norman fan, there I said it

[addiction21]

It is a persons choice to buy points in advanced and does not guarantee you anythign other then points. If people find that upsetting then I suggest not to hand out your money untill you are guaranted the product you are paying for.



I am not debating right wrong here so do not drag me into that poo throwing match.

[MonkeyChief117]

coolguy125 wrote...

i dont understand how ppl dont have rto i got it and played the thing what the hell happend?

Yeah i played it on xbox but it was bugged and has now been pulled. PS3 has been delayed indefinitely and i'm not sure about PC - still no release date i think. Basically, the people who've played it either pirated it or got the bugged 360 version (like me)

[magicfem]

im quite happy waiting i have no problems with that

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

StrikeSaber47 wrote...

wonko33 wrote...

chulaq wrote...

I find this so funny that someone would actully do something like that.
Like has already been stated, 2 diffrent teams.

People are not complaining about the quality of the game (yeah that would be more related to the team) they are upset at all the missed date and misinformation, and DLC policies. I think it is valid to blame that on mother company policies as well as local team competency.

Then go flame EA. Not BioWare. EA isn't a compassionate company since ever (hell I rather save my spit to go flame Activision Blizzard instead).

I would love to know where you got the logic to come out with that statement from?

I point you to the 2nd thing Chulaq mentioned. Who is in charge of giving information to the community for both Dragon Age: Origins and Mass Effect 2?

Bioware

The ball is well and truly in Bioware's court and right now they are pissing people off with their poor communication and misinformation.

Now despite in one of the posts about the update I stated I was tempted to cancel my pre-order, I ain't. As someone put earlier on, when I wrote that I was angry and venting, am willing to stick by them for now though. But considering the flack they got last week over the issue, I really would have thought they would have learned a lesson NOT to state something was going to be released when it clearly wasn't. Not only that but to then not apologise that they messed up. People make mistakes, I can accept that, but if they not got the balls to admit that. Then they really ain't doing themselves or the company any favours as far as some people are concerned.

[owl208]

Well, I've got to tell you...I'm won't be preordering from Bioware. And yes this RTO mess is the primary reason, but truthfully it's more precise to say that the primary reason is that these messes keep happening repeatedly.

I love Bioware's games and I will continue to buy them, but I'm not going to get them early anymore, at least not until customer service improves when it comes to releases and communication.

Modifié par owl208, 15 janvier 2010 - 08:13 .

[AtreiyaN7]

That seems a tad silly, but given the level of maturity one sees on the forums I'm not surprised. They're different groups and whatever's going on with DA:O has nothing to do with ME2. I'm sure there are people who will happily snap up the CE if people are canceling their pre-orders. I pre-ordered from Gamestop right after the CE was announced, so I'm set to have a good time with my Blackstorm gun in two weeks or so (depending on delivery date).

[jsoftcheck]

Yep, add me to the list of ME2 cancelled preorders. Like others have said before, I'm choosing to voice my complaint with my $ (which is the only thing most companies hear and respect anyway). I'm not wasting time complaining on a forum that the devs are unlikely to read or take seriously.



I was a big fan of ME and Bioware games in general, which is why I went out on a limb with Dragon Age. I don't usually pick up Sword and Sorcery RPGs. I had warm fuzzies about the Bioware name. I was willing to pre-order ME2 for the same reason, and I never preorder games.



Heck, I almost never buy games new. Usually trade them a month later on Goozex. But this season we have quite a few great games coming out in very short order. Bioshock2, Assassin's creed 2... Heck, I still haven't touched Batman, Arkham Asylum or the Death to Spies sequel because I was so busy playing Dragon Age.



Before the RtO debaucle (and that's what it's become, however much some folks try to downplay it) I was prepared to buy each and every DLC they released for Dragon Age. Now I'm just hoping I can find something to spend this lousy 400 points on and cut my losses.



To be clear: it's not the delay that burned what good will Bioware had built up in my mind. Though the delay is annoying, I understand that sometimes it happens. I'm still going to buy Splinter Cell: Conviction if/when it ever comes out. Because Ubisoft, for all its missed deadlines, lets you know months in advance that the deadline is being moved and pushes the date back months at a time -- but always to a specific date. So there's disappointment, but we never really have a chance to build up hope or expectations.



With the RtO debaucle, we're being kept in the dark with no new specific target date and no explanation of what's going on. There's no transparency and with all of us checking the forums every hour, my guess is the company will find it's burned quite a lot of credibility and good will from its core fanbase.



So yes, ultimately I'll get around to buying ME2, but I don't need the collector's edition and I don't need to own it the day of release. Plenty of other good games to keep me busy. And while I appreciate that different dev teams are responsible for different games, the dev team doesn't put its name on the box, Bioware does. The business practices of one part of the company reflect on the whole. My hope is that the Bioware higher ups will see these cancelled preorders for what they are: a financial protest against poor customer communication.



If you're as upset as some of us are about the way RtO is being handled, I encourage you to do the same. Don't just cancel your preorder, write Bioware (not an email, an actual letter) and let them know why you're cancelling and that you'll consider buying their games new if and when their customer communication improves.

[lolmk86]

People are just upset and I'm okay with it. Checking these forums is the only way to get any information, and by information I mean the occasional dev post saying 'Sorry, the princess is in another castle. Try again.'



People are frustrated and understandably so: Some xbox owners have RtO, some don't, many games are left broken. Having them deftly remove the thread title dealing with the PC version, "out later today" the last official comment. And ps3 owners? Ha-ha, good luck with that. It all just leaves a bad taste in the mouth of many consumers. Not to mention that other fully playable PC version that's been floating around out there.



Having DLC delayed 10+ days isn't that a big deal, but jerking the customer around is. 'Out the 5th!' 'Oh wait no. 'No more release dates, it'll be out when it's out.' 'Out the 13th!' '/Sigh.'



If people feel they need to not support a company so soon after a botched product, I understand that, more power to them. Am I annoyed by this process? You bet! That being said my Amazon ME2 pre-order is of course remaining. The logic doesn't really hold up to me, one botched DLC by a completely different development team isn't going to cost me some sweet spacey shooter rpg action time.



My Awakening pre-order, now that's a completely different matter.

[F-C]

im not getting ME2 for a while after its released personally. bioware has really put me off with their DLC scheme and pricing. i just dont have a lot of faith that they wont use the same methods in the next game to keep milking the dummies for money for minimul products.



if it comes out and gets great reviews from players and they dont have these ridiculous dlc prices and things like that ill probably go buy it, but im not going to jump onboard with bioware until i know how its going to be anymore.



its not a lot of money, but i dont like feeling like im being ripped off, and thats how bioware makes me feel these days. 10$ for an hour long DLC is just taking their customers for everything they can and not caring. i mean think about it, 5 hours of dlc is worth 50$ in their marketing scheme, thats such a rip-off.



if you would have asked me some 6 months ago i would have said bioware was one of the best game developers around, but after DAO DLC now im pretty tentative about buying anything else from them.

[StrikeSaber47]

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

StrikeSaber47 wrote...

wonko33 wrote...

chulaq wrote...

I find this so funny that someone would actully do something like that.
Like has already been stated, 2 diffrent teams.

People are not complaining about the quality of the game (yeah that would be more related to the team) they are upset at all the missed date and misinformation, and DLC policies. I think it is valid to blame that on mother company policies as well as local team competency.

Then go flame EA. Not BioWare. EA isn't a compassionate company since ever (hell I rather save my spit to go flame Activision Blizzard instead).

I would love to know where you got the logic to come out with that statement from?

I point you to the 2nd thing Chulaq mentioned. Who is in charge of giving information to the community for both Dragon Age: Origins and Mass Effect 2?

Bioware

The ball is well and truly in Bioware's court and right now they are pissing people off with their poor communication and misinformation.

Now despite in one of the posts about the update I stated I was tempted to cancel my pre-order, I ain't. As someone put earlier on, when I wrote that I was angry and venting, am willing to stick by them for now though. But considering the flack they got last week over the issue, I really would have thought they would have learned a lesson NOT to state something was going to be released when it clearly wasn't. Not only that but to then not apologise that they messed up. People make mistakes, I can accept that, but if they not got the balls to admit that. Then they really ain't doing themselves or the company any favours as far as some people are concerned.

If you merely do research, you will find out that most of the information I provided is pretty logical. There are so much speculation that I can reach a conclusion to them. To be honest, any company acquired by EA over the last few years seems to have gone under the bus. Activision Blizzard isn't doing a better job as you can tell with Inifinity Ward's latest creation being a complete mess for the PC Version and Blizzard's been pretty much milking whatever left of WoW, completely delaying and delaying and delaying SC2 and Diablo 3. You can tell that most of the gaming is falling because of their parent firms. However I have a sense that BioWare is trying to keep their independence as much as they can, despite the gauntlet thrown from EA to try maximize profits first before quality. This is not an official statement but if you go around grabbing bits of information from various sources, you can blantly see what the hell is going on here.

From another perspective, the only epic fail BioWare has made in the
recent years with delaying Pinnacle Station to a point of
ridiculousness and look how that came out. I just hope that RtO is
released delayed, but good. If they pull another Pinnacle Station than
I guess everyone's point on venting is justified. Typical BioWare loves
delays, but the thing is will they pull of good quality addons in the
end of such waits. I have been through this before, I won't mind doing
it again, as long as the content itself isn't a joke.

At least be grateful that BioWare is with EA. Imagine the horrors if Activision Blizzard was the parent. Their CEO went as a far saying that he can stop pirates entirely from torrenting Modern Warfare 2. Yea right in your dreams. The failure of how they sold the PC Version and adding in the ridiculous price tag made more people wanted to go the bad route than to honestly get it.

Modifié par StrikeSaber47, 15 janvier 2010 - 09:17 .

[StrikeSaber47]

Once again, I pressed the wrong button for editing. <_<

Modifié par StrikeSaber47, 15 janvier 2010 - 09:17 .

[Mechnic]

Darth_Shizz wrote...

Silensfurtim wrote...

cancel your Bioware preorders and donate your money to Haiti.

But they won't. Such is humanity

I doubt they'll even cancel their pre-orders. It's all just bluster and attention seeking really.

I donated 50 bucks this morning. My local news channel had a telethon running all day today; the last I heard on the noon news is they had raised over 200K for the redcross for Haiti. Thats channel 2 KUTV in Utah 801-908-0680 til 6pm mtn time. If I could've afforded more I would have given more.