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[Amusingthree93]

kaxas92 wrote...

Infiltrators are not overrated, they are the freaking best class in the game.

because of Tactical cloak damage boost

And this is where the myth of the overpoweredness of infiltrators comes from. Cloak is not necessarily the best damage boost ability at all, and is very balanced.

Adrenaline rush provides a damage boost of 70%, for a massive 6 seconds, instantly reloads your gun, doesn't interfere with shield recharge and can even provide a small shield restore.

Marksman increases the rate of fire by 50%, which is a multiplicative damage per second boost for a whopping 10 seconds. For rapid fire weapons, marksman's damage output easily surpasses the cloaks damage output. Not to mention it makes the player immune to seeker swarms, reloads weapons and doesn't interfere with shield restore.

In comparison the cloak only gives damage duration for 2.5 seconds, prevents shield regeneration, and doesn't protect from seeker swarms.

[cronshaw]

He didn't ask which was the worst
he asked which was the most overrated

[Zjarcal]

Scam_poo wrote...

Just for the record: The forum is full of complaints about how overpowered the AIU or the GI is. That's what this thread is really all about. You can argue about those two.

(Personally, I think that the AIU is indeed overrated, for many reasons people have already pointed out. The GI, however, is exactly what everyone thinks it is. Without fundamentally changing the way TC works, you can't effectively nerf him. But since he is indeed one of the very strongest characters, he can in no way be "overrated".)

The SI, as I have said before, can not be overrated because he's not rated these days anyway. All the talk's about GI, TGI and AIU. SI is a very solid character, neither underrated nor overrated. GI may be superior, but he's still good. Can't understand though how people can say he is overrated though. With the explanation that everything he does, the GI does better. You guys should look up what overrated means.

QFT

Agreed on the AIU btw, she's imo the most overrated infiltrator because her upper potential isn't as high as that of other characters, but the free revive makes everyone go "MOST OP CHARACTER EVER".

(Just for the record, I love the AIU )

EDIT: Many people are just listing who they think is the worse infiltrator. In order for something to be "overrated" it has to be rated highly to begin with. Very few people do that for some of the kits mentioned here.

Modifié par Zjarcal, 06 avril 2013 - 08:05 .

[Chrxna]

Amusingthree93 wrote...
And this is where the myth of the overpoweredness of infiltrators comes from. Cloak is not necessarily the best damage boost ability at all, and is very balanced.

Adrenaline rush provides a damage boost of 70%, for a massive 6 seconds, instantly reloads your gun, doesn't interfere with shield recharge and can even provide a small shield restore.

Marksman increases the rate of fire by 50%, which is a multiplicative damage per second boost for a whopping 10 seconds. For rapid fire weapons, marksman's damage output easily surpasses the cloaks damage output. Not to mention it makes the player immune to seeker swarms, reloads weapons and doesn't interfere with shield restore.

In comparison the cloak only gives damage duration for 2.5 seconds, prevents shield regeneration, and doesn't protect from seeker swarms.

But Cloak does grant you the ability to use another power while cloaked, without having to spec for it, which in my opinion is where the "overpoweredness" stems from. 

[mybudgee]

the Sex-bot, because she can't switch weapons mid-dodge

[Original Twigman]

AIU... she had a reaction that wasn't warranted... Drell, GI, and TGI are all much better.

But you know this

[Amusingthree93]

Zjarcal wrote...

Agreed on the AIU... the free revive makes everyone go "MOST OP CHARACTER EVER".

After all, what difference does it make to player A if player B has 56 free medigels, considering that a good player is not going to die anyway, and a bad player who keeps dying, will not be a liability to the team because he gets up for free.

And for those who say that a free medigel is a bad thing, I would say the stimpacks are far worse. Stimpack is a free Ops Pack, and Ops Packs are generally considered to be more valuable than medigels.

I have played quite a bit with both the AIU and the turian ghost. The nerfed repair matrix doesn't provide the security and the peace of mind that stimpacks give, and I have concluded that the stimpack is a lot more "cheap".

The repair matrix might be a FREE medigel, but absolutely NO ONE is ever going to use or need 56 medigels. Not even the worst pugs.

Modifié par Amusingthree93, 06 avril 2013 - 08:19 .

[Amusingthree93]

Chrxna wrote...

Amusingthree93 wrote...
And this is where the myth of the overpoweredness of infiltrators comes from. Cloak is not necessarily the best damage boost ability at all, and is very balanced.

Adrenaline rush provides a damage boost of 70%, for a massive 6 seconds, instantly reloads your gun, doesn't interfere with shield recharge and can even provide a small shield restore.

Marksman increases the rate of fire by 50%, which is a multiplicative damage per second boost for a whopping 10 seconds. For rapid fire weapons, marksman's damage output easily surpasses the cloaks damage output. Not to mention it makes the player immune to seeker swarms, reloads weapons and doesn't interfere with shield restore.

In comparison the cloak only gives damage duration for 2.5 seconds, prevents shield regeneration, and doesn't protect from seeker swarms.

But Cloak does grant you the ability to use another power while cloaked, without having to spec for it, which in my opinion is where the "overpoweredness" stems from. 

Doesn't count if your gun was empty or you got collector bees.

[Chrxna]

Amusingthree93 wrote...
Doesn't count if your gun was empty or you got collector bees.

Okay... :[

[Tallgeese_VII]

There is no most overrated Infiltrator.

Most underrated is definitely Shadow.

[StoxRegalia]

All of them

[Disciple888]

U only think AIU is overrated cuz u don't solo.

Overall strongest kit in the game, period.

[Bechter]

Disciple888 wrote...

U only think AIU is overrated cuz u don't solo.

Overall strongest kit in the game, period.

Solo'ing has no bearing on what is the strongest kit in the game. Balance decisions were never done because of the strength of a kit in a solo, (Bioware may have overreacted to some solo videos in the past).

It would be like me saying the GI and DI are the strongest kits in the game because they are both in the only sub 8 speedruns. There is no AIU in either run on PC or Xbox.

Neither your or my hypothetical statements have any relevance on strength the objective strength of a kit. There are so many other factors that go into either type of gamplay.

[UnknownMercenary]

AIU is OP on Gold and below.

GI is OP on all levels.

[mpompeo27]

GI because somehow I absolutely suck with him

[IUsedToDieAtWaveOne]

mpompeo27 wrote...

GI because somehow I absolutely suck with him

Ugh, STFU_Donny!

[Xaijin]

Aetika wrote...

AIU. She´s just like every other kit, only BSN made it look like she was born in hell.

wroooooooooooooong.

wrong wrong wrong.

[Tallgeese_VII]

Pre-nerf AIU was nothing like current AIU..
That`s for sure..

I wonder how it will feel like playing Pre-nerf AIU equipped with pre-nerf Krysae.
Cloak -> shoot -> snap freeze -> RM -> LOL -> shoot shoot shoot

[lightswitch]

Someone was saying the shotgun damage bonus to AIU Tac Cloak doesn't work off host. I thought this was only true if you cast Snap Freeze to break cloak, no?

[Scam_poo]

Zjarcal wrote...

Scam_poo wrote...

Just for the record: The forum is full of complaints about how overpowered the AIU or the GI is. That's what this thread is really all about. You can argue about those two.

(Personally, I think that the AIU is indeed overrated, for many reasons people have already pointed out. The GI, however, is exactly what everyone thinks it is. Without fundamentally changing the way TC works, you can't effectively nerf him. But since he is indeed one of the very strongest characters, he can in no way be "overrated".)

The SI, as I have said before, can not be overrated because he's not rated these days anyway. All the talk's about GI, TGI and AIU. SI is a very solid character, neither underrated nor overrated. GI may be superior, but he's still good. Can't understand though how people can say he is overrated though. With the explanation that everything he does, the GI does better. You guys should look up what overrated means.

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Many people are just listing who they think is the worse infiltrator. In order for something to be "overrated" it has to be rated highly to begin with. Very few people do that for some of the kits mentioned here.

Indeed. Couldn't have said it any better.

[billy the squid]

GI or TGI.

GI gets a lot of flak from new people saying it deals a huge amount of damage, wall hax, debuff, speed increase. You pay for it by dying if someone sneezes in your direction and you're not on the ball.

TGI, comes under the Drell and GI for damage, but the stim packs are so powerful. Unfortunately it also is entirely reliant on having grenade gear V, lag prone and the cloak is based on Assault rifles, which are largely rubbish. So it is OP, but not to the extent that people make out as it's reliant on a PPR, Typhoon, Harrier etc. to get the best out of it. all URs. Unless you run a shotgun build, in which case it's not much different from any other Infiltrator in terms of OPness.

[ThatOddGuy]

Scam_poo wrote...

Ledgend1221 wrote...

SI.
Ugly, relies on a stagger power to land headshots and is out classed in every way by the GI.

Da****? Nothing "relies on a stagger power to land headshots". I could spec zero points into PM and ED and still get headshots with him. I think you might just need to learn how to play this game, Sir. If you have bad aim, every character you play with will rely on a stagger power to land headshots.
(For the record, I don't use ED to line up headshots, but to refill my shields if necessary.)

SI is a great character. He has better survivability than the GI, can refill his shields with ED, and Hunter Mode doesn't really give the GI an edge now that we have the Geth Scanner. Accuracy boost is for console scrubs and rate of fire is irrelevant on a lot of guns.

People, listen to yourselves in this thread. You're indoctrinated. Everyone who says SI is overrated should seriously reconsider.

Hey, I'm a console scrub >

Having said that, ED doesn't make Headshots possible, but it makes them a hell of a lot faster. Less time wasted to line up headshot = more time for DPS, and quicker cloak recharge.

And there's all the survival stuff you said. SI is just as hard to kill as TGI and EDI if you know what you're doing, and Prox Mine > Overload (when combined with ED) and Prox Mine > Snap Freeze since EDI can't detonate.

Therefore, SI > TGI and AIU because it has "lolucantkillme" plus Prox Mine.
However, they are hard to compare if you look at it this way:
SI - Sniper
TGI - Assault Rifle
EDI - Shotgun

Hunter Mode vs. Energy Drain is a good debate.

Energy Drain also strips shields, so LOL@YOU shieldgate.

And LOL at the person who said Quarian Female. Who overrates the QFI? Amazing on consoles because of Sabotage. Still needs Phasics for that Javelin, though. Incredible kit, however.


I say the EDIbot is the most overrated. Being equal to TGI and, IMO, SI, and still worse than Geth, I don't understand why BSN collectively crapped their pants over the kit...

[Tallgeese_VII]

I don`t think anybody overrate AIU anymore. She is still definiltey one of the best though.
Pre-nerf AIU was not overrated. It was very well rated to be OP.

[Ryumanjisen]

MasterReefa wrote...

GI, yes he kills faster than every other class but not THAT much faster.

True words. GI is the very definition of a "most overrated infiltrator".