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Which one do you think it is the most overrated infiltrator, and why?


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Amusingthree93 wrote...

AIU is/was super over-rated.
Her shotgun damage bonus doesn't even work offhost.

And despite that, someone's humble opinion got it nerfed so hard.

Now, the stimpacks are categorically superior to the repair matrix and there is not much reason to chose the AIU over ghost or GI.


QFT

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You really think somebody`s humble opinion was the reason AIU was nerfed?
Pre-nerf RM is inferior to Stimpack?

I cannot believe people were so shy to say AIU was overrated before the nerf.

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I see a lot of people swear by the QFI, but the more I play her, the more I'm starting to think it's just because of her being a FemQuarian. Sticky grenades aren't that good to me, and Sabotage is not my cup o' tea. Idk, her powers just don't seem to synergize as well as the others. Which isn't saying much, since there isn't really a bad Infiltrator.

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lightswitch wrote...

No...you're wrong. :innocent:

a) "bugged to all hell"

No. It works fine on-host, and off host all you have to do is shoot first, then cast SF - which by the way can detonate explosions. Don't even try 'the explosion is centered on her' because if you're not right in the enemies face with her in the first place I don't know what you're doing.

B) Not being as tanky as the possibly the tankiest kit in the game doesn't change the fact she has a 30% DR and can regen shields under cloak - not to mention RM supposedly restores shield gate, which based on my experience is true. But the TGI can't keep up with her speed, not even close. [edit] Also, let's not ignore how much speed increases survivability. Drell with all their squishiness survive on speed alone...she has Drellspeed plus DR _and_ shield regen.

If you actually do the math a TGI does approximately 10,000+ damage in the 2.5 of TC weapon damage boost. With a Piranha the AIU can do 13,000+.

If you can't understand the innate value of a kit that is incredibly strong in a DPS, speed, and survivability I don't know what to say to you. No other kit combines that kind of ability into one platform.


I never said she wasn't good. I think she is a top tier character but no where near as good as the majority of this message board made her out to be. She is not gamebreaking and never was ahead of the GI or TGI. I still stand by my point that she is not tanky. You can't rush into hoards of enemies and just absorb damage like you can when the tanky characters such as TGI, Batarian Van, and Kroguard etc.

I'm also glad a bug that affects 75% of the player base isn't significant in your eyes. Having to shoot then cast your power to get full damage from cloak is huge you lose debuff and takes time out of you cloak damage window. It something no other inf has to do.

We need to go back to the original question. Which is she overrated? I say yes.

Is she a strong powerful character? I also say yes

Both of these can be true :wizard:

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Amusingthree93 wrote...

AIU is/was super over-rated.
Her shotgun damage bonus doesn't even work offhost.

And despite that, someone's humble opinion got it nerfed so hard.

Now, the stimpacks are categorically superior to the repair matrix and there is not much reason to chose the AIU over ghost or GI.


lol, you really think that AIU was nerfed because I made a thread about it? :o

Because that doesn't make sense :P

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MasterReefa wrote...

GI, yes he kills faster than every other class but not THAT much faster.



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GI and AUI

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RedJohn wrote...

Amusingthree93 wrote...

AIU is/was super over-rated.
Her shotgun damage bonus doesn't even work offhost.

And despite that, someone's humble opinion got it nerfed so hard.

Now, the stimpacks are categorically superior to the repair matrix and there is not much reason to chose the AIU over ghost or GI.


lol, you really think that AIU was nerfed because I made a thread about it? :o

Because that doesn't make sense :P

it's okay, RJ. you may have been directly and solely responsible for the AIU nerf, but we all still want to have a drink with you <3

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TGI: no debuff, crutchpacks
AIU: stupid, no detonator, über-crutch-matrix

+ both of them pick up grenades from ammo boxes so characters that use their Grenade Capacity like it's supposed to (namely: for grenades!) and kill stuff need to hit the boxes more often without getting resupplied.
It is very fun to snatch all the grenades when either of those two classes is in the game though.

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Ledgend1221 wrote...

SI.
Ugly, relies on a stagger power to land headshots and is out classed in every way by the GI.


It's the oposite

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FlowCytometry wrote...

RedJohn wrote...

Amusingthree93 wrote...

AIU is/was super over-rated.
Her shotgun damage bonus doesn't even work offhost.

And despite that, someone's humble opinion got it nerfed so hard.

Now, the stimpacks are categorically superior to the repair matrix and there is not much reason to chose the AIU over ghost or GI.


lol, you really think that AIU was nerfed because I made a thread about it? :o

Because that doesn't make sense :P

it's okay, RJ. you may have been directly and solely responsible for the AIU nerf, but we all still want to have a drink with you <3


If BW actually listened to the forums there would be no stunlock and the Typhoon and Destroyer would be unnerfed.

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I think ur topics are overrated.

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Redjohnpls.

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I'm not overly keen on the Geth Infiltrator, he's not as agile (I know none of the Geth or Krogan classes are), and while the GI does kill enemies at a slightly faster rate with hunter mode on, it's not that much and the lowered mobility is not so good in maps where you can't set up a good crossfire kill zone

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lightswitch wrote...

Oh, and also, by the time the Human Soldier gets off the third Claymore shot (one unboosted, two boosted) he'll have done around 11,000 damage, but the AIU will have already gotten off two shots and done around 12000 damage.

No one is going to beat her with a Claymore. That fact alone would be enough to make her a contender for best kit in the game...

Are you assuming the Human Soldier doesn't have another source of damage, because it sounds like it?

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GI.

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FlowCytometry wrote...

RedJohn wrote...

Amusingthree93 wrote...

AIU is/was super over-rated.
Her shotgun damage bonus doesn't even work offhost.

And despite that, someone's humble opinion got it nerfed so hard.

Now, the stimpacks are categorically superior to the repair matrix and there is not much reason to chose the AIU over ghost or GI.


lol, you really think that AIU was nerfed because I made a thread about it? :o

Because that doesn't make sense :P

it's okay, RJ. you may have been directly and solely responsible for the AIU nerf, but we all still want to have a drink with you <3


:innocent:

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RedJohn wrote...

FlowCytometry wrote...

RedJohn wrote...

Amusingthree93 wrote...

AIU is/was super over-rated.
Her shotgun damage bonus doesn't even work offhost.

And despite that, someone's humble opinion got it nerfed so hard.

Now, the stimpacks are categorically superior to the repair matrix and there is not much reason to chose the AIU over ghost or GI.


lol, you really think that AIU was nerfed because I made a thread about it? :o

Because that doesn't make sense :P

it's okay, RJ. you may have been directly and solely responsible for the AIU nerf, but we all still want to have a drink with you <3


:innocent:

you left before i could tell you that thing

#119
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lol at people saying GI is overrated.

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Bechter wrote...

lightswitch wrote...

No...you're wrong. :innocent:

a) "bugged to all hell"

No. It works fine on-host, and off host all you have to do is shoot first, then cast SF - which by the way can detonate explosions. Don't even try 'the explosion is centered on her' because if you're not right in the enemies face with her in the first place I don't know what you're doing.

B) Not being as tanky as the possibly the tankiest kit in the game doesn't change the fact she has a 30% DR and can regen shields under cloak - not to mention RM supposedly restores shield gate, which based on my experience is true. But the TGI can't keep up with her speed, not even close. [edit] Also, let's not ignore how much speed increases survivability. Drell with all their squishiness survive on speed alone...she has Drellspeed plus DR _and_ shield regen.

If you actually do the math a TGI does approximately 10,000+ damage in the 2.5 of TC weapon damage boost. With a Piranha the AIU can do 13,000+.

If you can't understand the innate value of a kit that is incredibly strong in a DPS, speed, and survivability I don't know what to say to you. No other kit combines that kind of ability into one platform.


I never said she wasn't good. I think she is a top tier character but no where near as good as the majority of this message board made her out to be. She is not gamebreaking and never was ahead of the GI or TGI. I still stand by my point that she is not tanky. You can't rush into hoards of enemies and just absorb damage like you can when the tanky characters such as TGI, Batarian Van, and Kroguard etc.

I'm also glad a bug that affects 75% of the player base isn't significant in your eyes. Having to shoot then cast your power to get full damage from cloak is huge you lose debuff and takes time out of you cloak damage window. It something no other inf has to do.

We need to go back to the original question. Which is she overrated? I say yes.

Is she a strong powerful character? I also say yes

Both of these can be true :wizard:


that's a bug?

I assumed it was intended, since after all the description says it only applies to the first shot to break cloak

In fact, if this was how other infiltrators worked I (losing the buff to gun damage if you use a power to break cloak first) there would be much less of an imbalance around them. Plus it rewards good marksmanship.

#121
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Gi followed closely by aiu(boring)

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Aetika wrote...

AIU. She´s just like every other kit, only BSN made it look like she was born in hell.


Oh, it's this post again.

I'm pretty sure infinite medigel is not part of every other kit.

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RedJohn, you like watching them argue don't you?

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AUI.
the BSN hysteria was ridiculous. and she is boring as hell, and she is not that powerful as it seems.

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b00g13man wrote...

lightswitch wrote...

Oh, and also, by the time the Human Soldier gets off the third Claymore shot (one unboosted, two boosted) he'll have done around 11,000 damage, but the AIU will have already gotten off two shots and done around 12000 damage.

No one is going to beat her with a Claymore. That fact alone would be enough to make her a contender for best kit in the game...

Are you assuming the Human Soldier doesn't have another source of damage, because it sounds like it?


This is pretty clearly a comparison of two different kits' ability to use the Claymore, not sure how you missed that...wouldn't matter anyways though. I don't think frag grenades are going to be a deal breaker here

Bechter wrote...

I never said she wasn't good. I think she is a top tier character but no where near as good as the majority of this message board made her out to be. She is not gamebreaking and never was ahead of the GI or TGI. I still stand by my point that she is not tanky. You can't rush into hoards of enemies and just absorb damage like you can when the tanky characters such as TGI, Batarian Van, and Kroguard etc.

I'm also glad a bug that affects 75% of the player base isn't significant in your eyes. Having to shoot then cast your power to get full damage from cloak is huge you lose debuff and takes time out of you cloak damage window. It something no other inf has to do.

We need to go back to the original question. Which is she overrated? I say yes. 

Is she a strong powerful character? I also say yes

Both of these can be true [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/wizard.png[/smilie]


But she's not overrated. She's legitimately that powerful. Whether she 'absorbs' damage or not she's very good at not getting hit, taking a hit when it happens, and of course lets not forget she just gets back up again if she does go down. Don't want to call it tankiness, fine call it survivability or whatever you like, but the point is she's fully capable of attacking enemies with a reckless abandon no other infiltrator can duplicate - the TGI lacks the speed, and the GI lacks the survivability.

Also, the damage lost with a Claymore w/ no debuff is 566.5. An ammo primed explosion does 590.63 damage before defense modifiers - so you'll get that damage back, and then some extra if defense modifiers come into play.