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[BronzTrooper]

David7204 wrote...


This statement tells me you're a moron who can barely scrape up a single bit of reasoning for an argument you evidently think is obvious. Did you miss the parts in ME 2 where Shepard can say s/he doesn't trust Cerberus...I dunno how many times? A lot.

EVERYONE is flawed in one way or another.  No one is perfect.

Modifié par Gamer072196, 09 avril 2013 - 10:22 .

[Tom Lehrer]

Xilizhra wrote...
Also, Liara's reaction has a lot more to do with her being a civilian and seeing the attack in action.

She hasn't been a civilian since ME1 and has fought and killed who knows how many people.

[David7204]

Gamer072196 wrote...

David7204 wrote...


This statement tells me you're a moron who can barely scrape up a single bit of reasoning for an argument you evidently think is obvious. Did you miss the parts in ME 2 where Shepard can say s/he doesn't trust Cerberus...I dunno how many times? A lot.

EVERYONE is flawed in one way or another.  No one is perfect.

If you have an actual reason, why don't you explain it to me instead of giving me pointless platitudes?

[Venom man4]

Liara isn't Jack as in she wouldn't of shouted and talked about payback the whole time. I don't agree with saying she became too emotional in ME3.

[Wulfram]

Gamer072196 wrote...

Turians had a better chance of holding off the Reapers because they are more militaristic. Plus, the Asari had WAAAAYYYYY more warning than the Alliance, the Turians, and the Batarians (they had almost no warning) and they were still overwhelmed by the Reapers.

What should they have done with that time?

You're not going to get anywhere taking the Reapers on in a straight on fight in space, and if you lose space then you're basically screwed on the gound as far as any conventional warfare goes, since any army you raise can get blasted from space.  You can carry on with hit and run stuff, but your planet has fallen.

Yeah, the Turians apparently held on to Palaven.  I've never heard a convincing explanation of how they're supposed to have done this.

edit:  I've re-read your post and I think I might be disagreeing with a point you weren't making.  Sorry.

Modifié par Wulfram, 09 avril 2013 - 10:35 .

[Wulfram]

tickle267 wrote...

I thought they had abandoned Palaven just before the end (garrus talking about full retreat)?

yeah, but I'm still baffled at how they lasted that long.

[Astartes Marine]

Wulfram wrote...
You're not going to get anywhere taking the Reapers on in a straight on fight in space, and if you lose space then you're basically screwed on the gound as far as any conventional warfare goes, since any army you raise can get blasted from space.  You can carry on with hit and run stuff, but your planet has fallen.

Conventional warfare yes, unconventional or asymetrical warfare which is SUPPOSED to be the Asari specialty with their "supposedly" impressive Commandos however should fare better.  Best option would be to try to board the Reaper ships somehow, they're at their most vulnerable from the inside with very little shielding on their power cores.

The trick is actually getting inside...if the ME universe had anything akin to the Space Marine Caestus Assault Ram it would be so much simpler.  <_<


Nukes could help as well with the EMP effects and raw damage potential, the Reapers fear them to some extent because nuke launch sites were a priority target when they hit Earth. 
Using FTL ships as mobile battering rams/missiles would work as well as the incredible acceleration would add an incredible amount of force in the impact, were it not for a convenient codex entry that states FTL drives have some sort of safety system that can't be overridden.

Modifié par Astartes Marine, 09 avril 2013 - 10:46 .

[Tom Lehrer]

Wulfram wrote...

tickle267 wrote...

I thought they had abandoned Palaven just before the end (garrus talking about full retreat)?

yeah, but I'm still baffled at how they lasted that long.

When you have a world with a few billion predatory bird people that have been raised from birth to be soldiers that get back up from very big camel-turtle warrior people a fight will be slow going for anyone.

[Wulfram]

Tom Lehrer wrote...

When you have a world with a few billion predatory bird people that have been raised from birth to be soldiers that get back up from very big camel-turtle warrior people a fight will be slow going for anyone.

You know what happens to predatory bird people that have been raised from birth to be soldiers and very big camel-turtle warrior people when they're stuck by 132 kiloton blasts?  The same thing that happens to everything else

Except not, apparently, which is what confuses me.

[Tom Lehrer]

Wulfram wrote...

Tom Lehrer wrote...

When you have a world with a few billion predatory bird people that have been raised from birth to be soldiers that get back up from very big camel-turtle warrior people a fight will be slow going for anyone.

You know what happens to predatory bird people that have been raised from birth to be soldiers and very big camel-turtle warrior people when they're stuck by 132 kiloton blasts?  The same thing that happens to everything else

Except not, apparently, which is what confuses me.

If the Reapers wanted to just kill and be done with it this is true but they needed to harvest.

[Steelcan]

David7204 wrote...

This statement tells me you're a moron who can barely scrape up a single bit of reasoning for an argument you evidently think is obvious. Did you miss the parts in ME 2 where Shepard can say s/he doesn't trust Cerberus...I dunno how many times? A lot.

. What about the parts where you can say you like Cerberus?

[Steelcan]

tickle267 wrote...

Tom Lehrer wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...
Also, Liara's reaction has a lot more to do with her being a civilian and seeing the attack in action.

She hasn't been a civilian since ME1 and has fought and killed who knows how many people.

this.
she turned quite dark during the two years between ME1 and ME2, I'd have thought death wouldn't affect her that much.

. It doesn't.  Unless they are Asari apparently.  She's more racist than Ashley 

[His Name was HYR!!]

 Fall of Thessia?

I like to celebrate it by going to the Ardat-Yakshi Monastery (sp?) with Liara for the next mission.

Good times! 

[ComfortablyNumb]

Artifex_Imperius wrote...

And fact while everybody else was busy doing their own thing garrus,tali&wrex; liara had always been fighting and finding ways to defeat the reapers.

Define: "always".

In ME1, they were all on it.
In ME2, Liara was hell bent on getting back on SB. And not because he worked with Reapers.
Pre-ME3 - yes, she worked with Hackett (I wonder what would happen if he didn't contact her) Garrus, Tali and Wrex may not even by alive by this time in the game. And if they are, they too try to prepare their own homeworlds (maybe Tali to a lesser extent, because she has little pull in her government). 

[Artifex_Imperius]

mrufka_z wrote...

Define: "always".

In ME1, they were all on it.
In ME2, Liara was hell bent on getting back on SB. And not because he worked with Reapers.
Pre-ME3
- yes, she worked with Hackett (I wonder what would happen if he didn't contact her) Garrus, Tali and Wrex may not even by alive by this time in the game. And if they are, they too try to prepare their own homeworlds (maybe Tali to a lesser extent, because she has little pull in her government). 

ME2 Liara recovered shepards from the collectors. seeking knowledge knowledge of the connection between collector and reapers and shadow broker. and not just rescuing feron. and doing this alone is alot of effort. with out Lotsb liara would have done this single handedly.
ME3 Liara contacted Hackett not the otherway around. (Mass Effect: Homeworlds, Title: Last Hope of the
Galaxy - Starring Liara T'soni.) her search for a way to defeat the reapers lead her o khaje where she squared of with a phantom. discovering the intial clues for the crucible. and contacting hackett to gain access to the humans top secret mars archieves.

all this is alot to handle specially for a civillian like liara. she has no military training what so ever. she had a crash course for combat in the ME series.

all her efforts crushed when thessia couldnt be saved in time. her reactions to seeing her home being destroyed were normal for people undergoing such stress/trauma of loss. ie DABDA. denial, ANGER, bargaining, depression, acceptance. studied a bit of psych. usually such anger is directed to someone who is really useless ie javik.

Modifié par Artifex_Imperius, 10 avril 2013 - 09:37 .

[EnvyTB075]

Liara is SuperMacs waifu, so of course

And to those saying "its the first time Shepards defeated!", **** you. Why you ask? Because how is keeping KL in cover due to overwhelming firepower to the point where he can only take 2 steps before fleeing to "recharge" a "defeat"? Oh thats right, because **** EVERYTHING the player does EVER. There is no "defeat", as there is no "fight". That "battle" is utterly pointless and its inclusion destroys any credibility to the idea that Shepard is "defeated" at that moment.

You don't even get a chance to flay Tevos alive since there is absolutely NO WAY they knew NOTHING about the Reapers from their stock of Prothean spires that they hid from all the other species whilst demanding transparency from everyone else. They're a bunch of snobby ****s who almost doomed the Galaxy due to their own selfishness. But no, you have to feel sad on the basis that they're Asari and apparently everyone likes Asari

*puke*

[KiwiQuiche]

Artifex_Imperius wrote...

After Thessia I could understand Liara's Rage against Javik. Why did javik bother with the comments if he was of no help at all.
Liara must have thought about why bother picking up Javik he was of no use at all. fact you can finish the game without javik dlc.
Liara is sad knowing that the effort she gave in fighting the war no matter how great was in vain. from planet to planet and ruin to ruin. finding ways to defeat the reapers. she was never a soldier yet fighting longer and harder than anyone could.
And a fact in refusal ending liara still fought on with the beacons a true testament to her character.

And fact while everybody else was busy doing their own thing garrus,tali&wrex; liara had always been fighting and finding ways to defeat the reapers.

Because Javik has suffered more than anyone and doesn't bother other people with crying and screaming over it? The guy lost his whole freaking race, is awoken in a cycle where the chosen successors, asari, have done jacksh!t, had to kill all his friends due to them being indocrinated, then has to suffer the entire nightmare all over again. Frankly I'm impressed he hasn't gone insane. He's holding on remarkably well. Liara just goes and picks a fight with him for no other reason than the fact he won't coddle her about Thessia and tells her the truth about her race.
I think he's perfectly within his rights to call the asari out on their crap and tell Liara to get the hell over it.

...She doesn't do anthing in ME2 except rant about the Shadow Broker, then breaks most of his info stuff and can't even find TIM in ME3 or tell Shepard about Sanctuary or the female Krogan. Sure, she makes the beacon, but that's about it.

She and the asari are a writers pet. Hence their angst status and the fact Shepard MUST FEEL SAD DAMNIT. The forced emotion is nearly as bad as the stupid ventkid and nightmares.

[ComfortablyNumb]

Artifex_Imperius wrote...

ME2 Liara recovered shepards from the collectors. seeking knowledge knowledge of the connection between collector and reapers and shadow broker. and not just rescuing feron. and doing this alone is alot of effort. with out Lotsb liara would have done this single handedly.

ME3 Liara contacted Hackett not the otherway around. (Mass Effect: Homeworlds, Title: Last Hope of the
Galaxy - Starring Liara T'soni.) her search for a way to defeat the reapers lead her o khaje where she squared of with a phantom. discovering the intial clues for the crucible. and contacting hackett to gain access to the humans top secret mars archieves.

all this is alot to handle specially for a civillian like liara. she has no military training what so ever. she had a crash course for combat in the ME series.

all her efforts crushed when thessia couldnt be saved in time. her reactions to seeing her home being destroyed were normal for people undergoing such stress/trauma of loss. ie DABDA. denial, ANGER, bargaining, depression, acceptance. studied a bit of psych. usually such anger is directed to someone who is really useless ie javik.

I admit, I never read "Homeworlds". But in ME2 she clearly said (re finding Shepard), that she acted on Cerberus data and promise that they could actually save Shepard. And later she was trying to avenge Feron. As far as I know, only TIM made the connection between Collectors and Reapers. Did he share this knowledge with her? Or did she somehow find it herself? Please, give actual quote and I'll take back my statement.

As for her being untrained civillian - funny, how this is always mentioned only with regard to Thessia. Everywhere else she's badass Shadow Broker, with means to shake the Galaxy. So which it is? Because sorry, but you can't have it both ways.  
Heck, Taynor may be military, but she worked in a lab all her career. Did she fall apart after Earth?

Re javik being uselsess - what exactly he should do? Pat her on the head, like everyone else? Not Prothean style. 
And what would you do, after "sleeping" for 50 000 years?...

[Mangalores]

KiwiQuiche wrote...
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...She doesn't do anthing in ME2 except rant about the Shadow Broker, then breaks most of his info stuff and can't even find TIM in ME3 or tell Shepard about Sanctuary or the female Krogan. Sure, she makes the beacon, but that's about it....

Liara's character was destroyed and rebooted in ME2 and is imo only a shadow of herself after. Supposedly because scientists are boring and none likes nerd girls. Instead of keeping her personality they thought they needed to hypercharge her into a force of awesome as if she wasn't good enough being a smart ass biotic.

But ME2 is about collecting team Awesome (of random rabble) to save mankind so everyone needed to get awesomized. let's not even get into the boobjobs handed to both Liara and Ashley (which is a strange anorexic by ME3)

Modifié par Mangalores, 10 avril 2013 - 02:02 .

[Xilizhra]

The viciousness and incorrectness of people here regarding the asari and Liara saddens me, but I'm heartened to know that no matter how you rant, your Shepards will never feel the same way.

[Han Shot First]

edit: double post

Modifié par Han Shot First, 10 avril 2013 - 04:45 .