What's up with the new Xbox?
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Posté 06 avril 2013 - 11:18
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Semi-confirmed rumors. A lot of "always online" apocalyptic horror stories.
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Posté 06 avril 2013 - 11:21
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J. Reezy wrote...
Semi-confirmed rumors. A lot of "always online" apocalyptic horror stories.
^ Basically this. Officially, there's nothing official. This thread was the last one I read discussing it.
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Posté 06 avril 2013 - 11:25
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What's up with the new Xbox?
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Posté 06 avril 2013 - 11:25
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Rumors about it having an always online requirement and potentially blocking the use of used games have all but created a massive sh*t storm. That's about it.
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Posté 06 avril 2013 - 11:33
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Rumors about it having an always online requirement and potentially blocking the use of used games have all but created a massive sh*t storm. That's about it.
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Posté 06 avril 2013 - 11:40
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Rumors about it having an always online requirement and potentially blocking the use of used games have all but created a massive sh*t storm. That's about it.
I'm extremely interested to see how this plays out. I'm convinced the 720 will block used games. I strongly suspect the PS4 is going to be nearly as bad, I suspect they're going to use the rental model.
For those who don't know, the rental model was an agreement Hollywood had with video rental stores. It works like this: When a movie was "Released" on home video, there was a period of 30-90 days where it was first exclusively given to video rental stores, and wasn't purchasable by the public. After 30-90 days, then it would hit stores. The purpose was to force consumers to give money to rental stores, and then after the rental stores had made most of their money on it, the consumers were allowed to purchase the movie. Ultimately, it really harmed Hollywood, because a lot of the reason people buy movies is to see it at home as soon as it's available, and Hollywood lost a lot of sales. DVD gave them an out, because the contracts were video cassettes.
I suspect the PS4 is going to use this. For 30-90 days after "Release" a game will only be available over Gaikai, then it will hit stores for regular purchase. This lets them cut out used games during the critical first few weeks of release, without really locking out used games. Since most people have to have a game on the day of release, it *dramatically* reduces the number of copies in the wild for resale.
Gaikai doesn't make a lot of sense unless that's what they plan. "Cloud gaming" is an expensive proposition, and hasn't been proven as viable. Especially since Minecraft's really the only major selling downloadable game thus far. Spending 380 million dollars on something that people aren't really using today, and may not convert to using, makes no sense for a cash strapped company...
...Unless they have a plan for it that not only generates immediate revenue, but strengthens traditional revenue through reducing resold copies.
While I've long maintained that we're going to have a major industry crash, IMO, there's a lot of potential for MS and Sony to be causing it to happen *a lot* sooner than I'd expected. If MS does what's rumored, and Sony does what I suspect they're going to do, IMO we'll see a full-on 1980's crash by mid-2014 at the latest.
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Posté 07 avril 2013 - 07:25
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I bet they think the Kinect and Illumiroom are going to crush PlayStation 4.
Better with Kinect. Betterer with Illumiroom!
Better with Kinect. Betterer with Illumiroom!
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Posté 07 avril 2013 - 01:58
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Let me tell you about the next Xbox (and this is coming from a guy who brought both the Xbox 1 and 360):
If I want a multi-functional device then I've got my PC for that. Why would I want my console performing the same tasks but worst? At least the PS3 allows one to freely use PSN and the internet which it has included. At heart it's still a PLAY station and not the abomination that M$ has turned the 360 into.
The only reason I got a 360 was for the "exclusive" games which are no longer exclusive to it.
This is why the PC is becoming my main gaming platform. I'll probably get a PS4 in two years time for the few console exclusives worth playing.
- Garbage exclusive games. (Well most) No doubt it will be the same with the 720 or Dunrogan or Dungo or whatever it's called.
- Probably already outdated hardware like the first.
- PSN has free internet. Xbox doesn't. Probably won't change for the third either.
- Xbox Live is ****e. No doubt it will be the same with the 720 or Dunrogan or Dungo or whatever it's called.
- Xbox Live isn't free like the PSN. Probably won't change for the third either.
- Free apps? Thanks Microsoft. Oh wait you expect me to pay to listen to music that I can listen to and download free on the web? No thanks M$.
- Crappy Windows 8 ADHD Gamer Youth Generation Display UI. No thanks M$.
If I want a multi-functional device then I've got my PC for that. Why would I want my console performing the same tasks but worst? At least the PS3 allows one to freely use PSN and the internet which it has included. At heart it's still a PLAY station and not the abomination that M$ has turned the 360 into.
The only reason I got a 360 was for the "exclusive" games which are no longer exclusive to it.
This is why the PC is becoming my main gaming platform. I'll probably get a PS4 in two years time for the few console exclusives worth playing.
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Posté 07 avril 2013 - 02:46
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Let me tell you about the next Xbox (and this is coming from a guy who brought both the Xbox 1 and 360):Always online semi-comfirmed rumors be damned. I'm not getting the next Xbox either way.
- Garbage exclusive games. (Well most) No doubt it will be the same with the 720 or Dunrogan or Dungo or whatever it's called.
- Probably already outdated hardware like the first.
- PSN has free internet. Xbox doesn't. Probably won't change for the third either.
- Xbox Live is ****e. No doubt it will be the same with the 720 or Dunrogan or Dungo or whatever it's called.
- Xbox Live isn't free like the PSN. Probably won't change for the third either.
- Free apps? Thanks Microsoft. Oh wait you expect me to pay to listen to music that I can listen to and download free on the web? No thanks M$.
- Crappy Windows 8 ADHD Gamer Youth Generation Display UI. No thanks M$.
If I want a multi-functional device then I've got my PC for that. Why would I want my console performing the same tasks but worst? At least the PS3 allows one to freely use PSN and the internet which it has included. At heart it's still a PLAY station and not the abomination that M$ has turned the 360 into.
The only reason I got a 360 was for the "exclusive" games which are no longer exclusive to it.
This is why the PC is becoming my main gaming platform. I'll probably get a PS4 in two years time for the few console exclusives worth playing.
Pretty much this.
But I'll write my specific idea about it in the "Next Xbox thread", because of tendency of these kind of topics to be locked.
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Posté 07 avril 2013 - 03:41
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Yeah on my 360 I got ads all up in my face all the time. Sick of it to be honest. Even if I'm offline. And my internet isn't good so when I am online I get dropped all the time. Couldn't imagine if I was sucker enough to get the new Xbox and getting dropped all the time while playing a fun singleplayer game like Infinite. I would go insane. PS4 
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Posté 07 avril 2013 - 06:37
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Yeah...it seems like whenever I do get a next gen console it will be the ps4.
Even though my current PC specs are better than the ps4 specs...the ps4 (and I am assuming the durango) have been greatly improved on hardware-wise.
Will the DRM thing be big though? I mean, think about all the "bros" who play on the box...do they even know what DRM means or what it is?
Even though my current PC specs are better than the ps4 specs...the ps4 (and I am assuming the durango) have been greatly improved on hardware-wise.
Will the DRM thing be big though? I mean, think about all the "bros" who play on the box...do they even know what DRM means or what it is?
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Posté 07 avril 2013 - 07:40
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Set fire to the Microsoft buildings, buy a PS4
Coming from an Xbox 360 player
Coming from an Xbox 360 player
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Posté 07 avril 2013 - 07:45
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Set fire to the Microsoft buildings, buy a PS4
Coming from an Xbox 360 player
Wow... It's almost as if you were pulled straight outta that .gif, ad verbatim.
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Posté 07 avril 2013 - 09:13
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On the latest WhatTheTech podcast, Paul Thurrott weighed in on the NeXtbox rumors shared some info from his sources.
What The Tech Ep. 159 - Facebook Home 4-5-13
Apparently Microsoft is launching a 99$ Xbox 360 codenamed "Stingray" this November alongside of the Next Xbox.
According to Paul this is because the next Xbox isn't going to offer backwards compatibility for 360 games.
He mentions that it's going to be expensive. Apparently around 500$ for a normal unit, or 300$ for a subscription model.
It was also relayed to him that the device does indeed require a constant internet connection to function, although that is better discussed in this dedicated thread.
He also mentions that nothing that he has read about the next Xbox sounded negative to him.
Props to the guy bringing this up in the other threads
Transcript:
"The next Xbox is code-named Durango. And we have talked for a while about this notion that there might be another version of the Xbox that was just aimed at entertainment—a non-gaming device. That device was code-named 'Yumo' and they're not making it. They may make one in the future, but it's not happening this year.
"So the new Xbox that comes out this year will just be the Xbox. And I mentioned before they're also going to sell a new Xbox 360 code-named 'Stingray' that will be $99. And you might look at that as two things: backwards compatibility, obviously, suggesting—I don't actually know this for a fact, but based on the fact that they're making one—I don't think that the new Xbox will play 360 games. But that I don't actually know, that I'm guessing. But, the other one is that, $99, that's a real coo price. And so we know that the Xbox 360 does Netflix, Hulu Plus, yada yada yada, and you can make the argument that's kind of a low cost entertainment device, too.
"Durango is going to be expensive [laughs], you know $500, $300 for the subscription, that kind of thing, but you know, Blu-ray, blah blah blah, but the thing that interest me, going back and looking at some of the stuff I got a long time ago, it actually says 'must be internet-connected to use' in the notes. And that's all I have, but it does say that.
[Is that a bad thing?]
"I don't know because I don't know what it means. You know, when you look at some of the stories that were coming out this week about, you know, I saw a headline that said something like 'Next Xbox could be okay without an internet connection for as long as 3 minutes' or something like that. I don't even know what that means, so for me, Xbox 360 is almost entirely an online experience. Most of the games I play are multiplayer, where you're playing against other people online. Or you're using it as an entertainment device when you're connected to a service like Netflix or Xbox video, so that is an internet-connected device. In this phrase, it says 'must be internet-connected to use', you know, that suggests that you can't even boot into the UI and play—I don't know, I don't know, I don't have one.
"Originally, they were going to announce this thing in April—April 24—now they're going to announce it May 21. We know there are events occuring this year where we're going to learn more about Durango.
[And it's a fourth quarter release, right?]
"Early November, yeah. E3 is going to occur. BUILD is going to occur in San Francisco in June when they're going to talk about the developer story because it's a Windows 8 device. It's going to have the same, or basically the same, developer tools and developer APIs and all that kind of stuff. So I think there's a lot information to come, but I look at all this stuff that I've seen about Durango and I think, 'it's all positive.' I don't really see any bad news here at all. Like to me, everything I've seen about this is really positive. It's amazing to me that, based on like no information at all, everyone is like freaking out about everything. Aside from this online thing, by the way, the number one question I've gotten from people is, 'What does it look like?' Who gives a **** what it looks like?
"I've actually heard from, by the way not one or two people, several people who've said, 'based on what I've seen, Sony is going to blow them away.' Based on what you've seen? You've seen nothing. What are you talking about? No, but you've seen literally nothing from Microsoft.
[I don't think that's even a possibility considering how many people use Xbox LIVE... You're not going to have this mass Xbox audience jumping to Sony.]
"The problem Microsoft has has nothing to do with Sony or Nintendo anymore, it's Roku and AppleTV. The market for hardcore video games, the market of people will always buy the next Gears of War game, the next Halo game, the next Call of Duty game, it's fairly finite. It's a decent market, yada yada yada, it's not the market for tablets, it's not the market for smartphones.
http://www.neogaf.co...ad.php?t=536163
In short (all the credible rumors):
- May 21st announcement
- Weaksauce hardware
- Moar Kinect (mandatory for all SKUs)
- Not backwards compatible
- Aimed at the AppleTV/Roku market, not video games.
- Always online
- High chance of blocking used games
- 500$ / 300$ + contract
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I'm wondering why people started doing this, especially when the different versions are differentiated by a different name. Not to ignore what you said proceeding this, but I always have to comment on this since it urks me for some reason. Same with people putting "Mass Effect 1" when they know they'll be putting "Mass Effect 2" in the same vicinity.Elton John is dead wrote...
Let me tell you about the next Xbox (and this is coming from a guy who brought both the Xbox 1 and 360):
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I had already assumed that for Xbox going forward when I read that the 360 was considered an "Entertainment Console" by Microsoft. It wasn't the "always online" semi-confirmed rumors that was the nail in the coffin for me regarding anything Xbox, the article I read on the direction Microsoft wanted Xbox to go was it. The problem is, I'm not Xbox's target audience and I think I kind of knew that for a few years now, when the exclusive games for that "hardcore" gamer dwindled to nothing. The excessive entertainment apps in addition to the dwindling exlusives was also a sign. I'm a gamer, and Sony's seems to be the company that's catoring to that type of audience with the PlayStation 4. So I'm hoping to get that instead of the next Xbox. I'd get a Wii or Wii U before I touched anything Xbox anytime soon.Rubios wrote...
- Aimed at the AppleTV/Roku market, not video games.
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Posté 08 avril 2013 - 01:12
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LOL. I found this rage funny.
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You know you done goofed when someone feels the need to take an axe to their 360.Mendelevosa wrote...
LOL. I found this rage funny.
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Posté 08 avril 2013 - 01:56
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I bought the original Xbox over the PS2 because I was big into multiplayer shooters. But that was back in when I was around 15 years old. I bought the Xbox 360 in 2006 for mostly the same reason. I'm now 25 and I mostly enjoy single player RPG's and adventure games. So, the Xbox just isn't for me anymore.
I was never a big fan of paying for basic p2p multiplayer. Everyone else I talked to (including friends IRL) were all under the assumption that Xbox Live used dedicated servers. Even after educating them and showing them that this is not the case and that they were being conned into paying for p2p multiplayer, they still didn't seem to care and made up excuses.
I then go on to tell them that p2p is free everywhere else. So, then they bring up party chat like it's relevant to the discussion. I guess it was sort of their "last defense" against logic and reason. Okay, what about it? Well, you can chat and play at the same time. I said, sure, and that's really cool. But guess what? I do that on Steam everyday for free. Granted, you can't do it on PS3, so they do have a point there.
Apps like Netflix and YouTube? Superior and free on every other multimedia device, including PS3. Worse and behind a paywall on Xbox. So, Xbox gamers are paying to chat with each over the internet, apps that are free everywhere else, and p2p multiplayer that is also free everywhere else. Whenever confronted with this information, they go into denial and make all sorts of excuses for why they pay.
I really think these people are brain washed or at least conditioned into continuing to pay because they've been Xbox Live members for years and probably started their online experience with Xbox Live and have a really hard time letting go. They remind me of the people who continue to use AOL today. They just can't let it go because it's all they know when it comes to the internet. Try convincing these people to ditch AOL and you get a very similar response.
In the end, I think Xbox Live (and the console since XBL Gold is mandatory to do anything on it) is designed to rip off people who don't like to think about things. It just so happens that the "dude bro" crowd doesn't do a whole lot of thinking and guess what? They're Microsoft's main audience. Go figure.
@Rubios: Some good info there and a nice summary at the bottom. The next Xbox sounds more and more like a list of things I don't want in a game console.
I was never a big fan of paying for basic p2p multiplayer. Everyone else I talked to (including friends IRL) were all under the assumption that Xbox Live used dedicated servers. Even after educating them and showing them that this is not the case and that they were being conned into paying for p2p multiplayer, they still didn't seem to care and made up excuses.
I then go on to tell them that p2p is free everywhere else. So, then they bring up party chat like it's relevant to the discussion. I guess it was sort of their "last defense" against logic and reason. Okay, what about it? Well, you can chat and play at the same time. I said, sure, and that's really cool. But guess what? I do that on Steam everyday for free. Granted, you can't do it on PS3, so they do have a point there.
Apps like Netflix and YouTube? Superior and free on every other multimedia device, including PS3. Worse and behind a paywall on Xbox. So, Xbox gamers are paying to chat with each over the internet, apps that are free everywhere else, and p2p multiplayer that is also free everywhere else. Whenever confronted with this information, they go into denial and make all sorts of excuses for why they pay.
I really think these people are brain washed or at least conditioned into continuing to pay because they've been Xbox Live members for years and probably started their online experience with Xbox Live and have a really hard time letting go. They remind me of the people who continue to use AOL today. They just can't let it go because it's all they know when it comes to the internet. Try convincing these people to ditch AOL and you get a very similar response.
In the end, I think Xbox Live (and the console since XBL Gold is mandatory to do anything on it) is designed to rip off people who don't like to think about things. It just so happens that the "dude bro" crowd doesn't do a whole lot of thinking and guess what? They're Microsoft's main audience. Go figure.
@Rubios: Some good info there and a nice summary at the bottom. The next Xbox sounds more and more like a list of things I don't want in a game console.
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Posté 08 avril 2013 - 05:57
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Lol. Thanks for the info, Rubios.
As a 360 gamer this gen, I will be easily getting myself a PS4. Not even a hesitation. You folks have fun with that if you want to. Lol. You are crazy, Microsoft. Absolutely crazy. Raise your hand if you are gonna be buying this ridiculous garbage.
Can't wait for some sweet, tender PS4 news at E3. I got my money ready for you, Sony. Show me that HDDR5.
Also, somebody do a hilarious "meanwhile, at Sony..." where Sony is basking in utter glory of its upcoming massacre and mega profits.
Might be checking out the Wii U at some point as well. Meaning, after a great, great Zelda game.
As a 360 gamer this gen, I will be easily getting myself a PS4. Not even a hesitation. You folks have fun with that if you want to. Lol. You are crazy, Microsoft. Absolutely crazy. Raise your hand if you are gonna be buying this ridiculous garbage.
Can't wait for some sweet, tender PS4 news at E3. I got my money ready for you, Sony. Show me that HDDR5
. Also, somebody do a hilarious "meanwhile, at Sony..." where Sony is basking in utter glory of its upcoming massacre and mega profits.
Might be checking out the Wii U at some point as well. Meaning, after a great, great Zelda game.
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Posté 08 avril 2013 - 07:56
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$500...
Looks like I'm saving up for a PC that I can upgrade.
Looks like I'm saving up for a PC that I can upgrade.
