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[Eternal Napalm]

OdanUrr wrote...

Asking for trouble much?

http://gamerant.com/...t-gen-consoles/

This answered my question if I'm done with Assassin's Creed or not. These morons...do they even know how many people don't have internet? Are you folks out there with these ideas of this sort really just that friggin dumb? Are you?

Btw...Xbox Live was down most of this past Saturday.

Sony is going to absolutely clean house. And Nintendo will see a jump in sales.

[Mendelevosa]

OdanUrr wrote...

Asking for trouble much?

http://gamerant.com/...t-gen-consoles/

So it looks like both Microsoft and Ubisoft are not interested in making money during this upcoming generation.

Modifié par Mendelevosa, 17 avril 2013 - 06:25 .

[spirosz]

They probably believe everyone has the same type connection that they have - it's like that mindset "Why would I wanna live there?" bull****, that flies around. Also, there's a difference between developers who live and breathe gaming, you think that from their perspective, they would usually have the higher end internet connection/higher end up PC's, etc because they whole life usually revolves on quality gaming (maybe they stream/maybe they're into competitive gaming, etc) - not saying "hardcore" gamers don't have that type of attitude as well, but at the same time, it's coming from a whole different field, IMO.

One of my buddies on here, his connection is sketchy at best and is only usually good when he hosts, but otherwise, it's a lagfest for him, do they not care about those circumstances? Do they not realize that the majority of gamers don't have the best connection?

Sure, I'm always connected to Xbox Live, but that doesn't determine if a game becomes laggy or not, on my end and Xbox's end, unless it has an online aspect like MP. That's what bugs me. This whole need for always online, be social, blah blah - you can still do that, but don't affect the games, especially SP.

Also, the sad thing is, this new Xbox (if the whole online issue is true) will still sell like hotcakes.

Modifié par spirosz, 17 avril 2013 - 01:05 .

[Naughty Bear]

spirosz wrote...

They probably believe everyone has the same type connection that they have - it's like that mindset "Why would I wanna live there?" bull****, that flies around. Also, there's a difference between developers who live and breathe gaming, you think that from their perspective, they would usually have the higher end internet connection/higher end up PC's, etc because they whole life usually revolves on quality gaming (maybe they stream/maybe they're into competitive gaming, etc) - not saying "hardcore" gamers don't have that type of attitude as well, but at the same time, it's coming from a whole different field, IMO.

One of my buddies on here, his connection is sketchy at best and is only usually good when he hosts, but otherwise, it's a lagfest for him, do they not care about those circumstances? Do they not realize that the majority of gamers don't have the best connection?

Sure, I'm always connected to Xbox Live, but that doesn't determine if a game becomes laggy or not, on my end and Xbox's end, unless it has an online aspect like MP. That's what bugs me. This whole need for always online, be social, blah blah - you can still do that, but don't affect the games, especially SP.

Also, the sad thing is, this new Xbox (if the whole online issue is true) will still sell like hotcakes.

Blame the sheeple/lemmings of society.

[Bekkael]

J. Reezy wrote...

OdanUrr wrote...

Asking for trouble much?

http://gamerant.com/...t-gen-consoles/

What is it with people having a hard-on for "online" anything in the industry? Is the prospect of being in isolation while playing video games so scary to people?

I don't understand it either. Every game you play doesn't need to have a "social" aspect to it. God, I hate this facebook/twitter obsession that's currently so rampant. <_<

*digs out old Gameboy* Forget all this online future stuff, I don't need it.

[Ravensword]

It's just a DRM scheme and an attempt to kill the used game market.

[Bekkael]

Ravensword wrote...

It's just a DRM scheme and an attempt to kill the used game market.

Which is a mistake. If there were no used games market, then there would be far fewer gamers out there as the cost of new games is often prohibitive for many people (myself included). If there are fewer gamers then all those companies lose. I think it's very greedy and short-sighted.

Having a police officer sitting on your shoulder on the off chance that you might break the law is what DRM amounts to. It doesn't work, but it certainly pisses off and alienates the good, law-abiding people who have no intention of ever breaking any law.

They need to brainstorm new ways of protecting their digital content while not penalizing the people who pay good money to own said content.

[Ravensword]

Bekkael wrote...

Ravensword wrote...

It's just a DRM scheme and an attempt to kill the used game market.

Which is a mistake. If there were no used games market, then there would be far fewer gamers out there as the cost of new games is often prohibitive for many people (myself included). If there are fewer gamers then all those companies lose. I think it's very greedy and short-sighted.

Having a police officer sitting on your shoulder on the off chance that you might break the law is what DRM amounts to. It doesn't work, but it certainly pisses off and alienates the good, law-abiding people who have no intention of ever breaking any law.

They need to brainstorm new ways of protecting their digital content while not penalizing the people who pay good money to own said content.

And that's what it'll probably take for the yuppies to realize "Oh. We done goofed. Shouldn't have used any DRM."

Companies need to realize that piracy is simply a fact of life and in doing business. That's just breakage. Instead of accepting that and trying to prosecute those that do, they instead force their customers to submit to some sort of corporate totalitarianism. It's not going to end well for them if they do go this route, and surely Adam Orth's yuppie corporate doucheism didn't do Xbox any favors w/ the gaming community.

[C9316]

OdanUrr wrote...

Asking for trouble much?

http://gamerant.com/...t-gen-consoles/

https://encrypted-tb...LU29Wwa6HPBw3OA

[ShepnTali]

Worry about your sorry excuse for exclusives Nextbox. Most uninteresting console this gen.

[Eternal Napalm]

J. Reezy wrote...

OdanUrr wrote...

Asking for trouble much?

http://gamerant.com/...t-gen-consoles/

What is it with people having a hard-on for "online" anything in the industry? Is the prospect of being in isolation while playing video games so scary to people?

Exactly. Who the hell wants that as a consumer? They try and are trying so hard, so desperately hard, to sell it. They try and make it seem like "the norm". Smartphones would have had always online connectivity LONG ago if consumers wanted it.

Be like me. Be vocal and loud, hit forums, hit comment sections, hit YouTube, and don't drop on penny on anything of the sort.

What will really be the kicker is if Microsoft uses a console version of GFWL. It's highly rumored that Windows 8 will be integrated into the new Xbox.

[Eternal Napalm]

What's up with this Kinect camera? Who would want a camera monitoring everything you do? Creepy.

[Bekkael]

Eternal Napalm wrote...

What's up with this Kinect camera? Who would want a camera monitoring everything you do? Creepy.

I don't actually know any grown people who have any interest in the Kinect. Somebody gave us one for our kids, and they use it for their dance games, but I don't want one. Especially after watching it in action. *shrug*

As far as cameras go, I don't want anything taking pictures of me.

[Eternal Napalm]

It sounds like the amazing Windows 8 will be the heart of the new Xbox. Haha.

[Gatt9]

Eternal Napalm wrote...

OdanUrr wrote...

Asking for trouble much?

http://gamerant.com/...t-gen-consoles/

This answered my question if I'm done with Assassin's Creed or not. These morons...do they even know how many people don't have internet? Are you folks out there with these ideas of this sort really just that friggin dumb? Are you?

Btw...Xbox Live was down most of this past Saturday.

Sony is going to absolutely clean house. And Nintendo will see a jump in sales.

Actually,  they're really not that stupid,  they're making a play for all of the marbles.  (Please note,  I'm not saying they're doing something good,  just outlining what the plan is)

First,  56% of Console Gamers don't pay for games.  Around half of the remainder buy some percentage of used games,  which generates no revenue for Microsoft.

Source:  http://www.gamespot....s-study-6343451?

Second,  Sony's not doing all that well,  Their TV division bombed,  and they had to sell their US headquarters.

Third,  Sony loses money on every console sold (As does MS).

Fourth,  Microsoft does not need the X-box to generate revenue.  It's not their money maker by a long shot.

What Microsoft is actually doing is sheer brilliance.  If/When Microsoft releases a DRM'd console,  it will shift that 56% of Console Gamers who generate no revenue,  and cause the company to lose money, completely to Sony.  So let's take a hypothetical here to put this in perspective...There are ~140 million 360/PS3's right now according to sales figures.

Let's assume they lose $10 a console.  We'll take a flat 50%,  and that means Sony loses $700 million dollars.  If we assume they lose $20,  Sony loses 1.4 Billion.  If they're losing $50 a console,  Sony loses around 3.5 Billion.

It's likely that the number is between $20 and $50 a console,  and it's *really* unlikely that Sony can afford to take a loss of a couple of billion dollars that would be generated by forcing them to shoulder the entire burden of the Console Gamers who buy consoles but don't buy games,  especially when combined with the Used Gamers who take significant time to return the cost of the machine.  Microsoft is forcing Sony to take the entire burden of the people who either don't generate revenue or take years to reach the breakeven point,  at a point in time where Sony likely cannot afford to shoulder that burden.

Meanwhile,  it doesn't hurt Microsoft at all.  Microsoft doesn't need the X-box to generate significant profit.  They can keep their box out there,  with every box sold a positive revenue stream,  and just wait.

At some point,  probably a not too distant point,  Sony will cave and pull out completely.  The losses will be debilitating to the company as a whole,  and they'll end up shelving the system.

Then Microsoft can patch the DRM out of the 720,  or release a new console without DRM,  and win by default.

It's a brilliant plan,  if they are pursuing it,  it's *very* likely they'll wipe out Sony in short order.  That said,  there's a dark horse in the race,  the Steambox.  Even if they manage to force Sony out of the market,  they can't do the same to the Steambox.  There's a very real chance that Valve will replace Sony,  and leave Microsoft without a foothold.

If that happens,  Microsoft will go with plan B.  They'll release a version of Windows that has a TV/Gamepad friendly UI that'll autodetect the display it's connected to,  and take Valve on leveraging their enourmous installed base of PC's.  Every PC would immediately become a "720" effectively,  all you'd have to do is plug it into a port on the TV.

Modifié par Gatt9, 20 avril 2013 - 07:04 .

[IllusiveManJr]

Next box threads are always entertaining.

[Sajuro]

So is this just like how the PS3 blocked used games? That did happen right, cause that was a rumor and everyone knows that all rumors are true

[Get Magna Carter]

Gatt9 wrote...

Actually,  they're really not that stupid,  they're making a play for all of the marbles.  (Please note,  I'm not saying they're doing something good,  just outlining what the plan is)

First,  56% of Console Gamers don't pay for games.  Around half of the remainder buy some percentage of used games,  which generates no revenue for Microsoft.

Source:  http://www.gamespot....s-study-6343451?

[snip]

What Microsoft is actually doing is sheer brilliance.  If/When Microsoft releases a DRM'd console,  it will shift that 56% of Console Gamers who generate no revenue,  and cause the company to lose money, completely to Sony.  So let's take a hypothetical here to put this in perspective...There are ~140 million 360/PS3's right now according to sales figures.

[snip].

Firstly, there is a difference between console-gamers and console owners - some of the 56% could be playing on someone elses console and not own a console of their own

Secondly it could cause Microsoft to lose a significant numbr of revenue generating console owners.  My own position is that  tend to buy about 50 games a year (almost all new) and I don't have a broadband connection.  If the new generation of consoles does not appeal to me I can focus on clearing up my backlog rather than get connected.

[jupitersj]

This current generation of consoles has put me completely off on going into next gen. I'm going back to PC for the majority of my gaming, plus 3DS.

[Gatt9]

Get Magna Carter wrote...

Gatt9 wrote...

Actually,  they're really not that stupid,  they're making a play for all of the marbles.  (Please note,  I'm not saying they're doing something good,  just outlining what the plan is)

First,  56% of Console Gamers don't pay for games.  Around half of the remainder buy some percentage of used games,  which generates no revenue for Microsoft.

Source:  http://www.gamespot....s-study-6343451?

[snip]

What Microsoft is actually doing is sheer brilliance.  If/When Microsoft releases a DRM'd console,  it will shift that 56% of Console Gamers who generate no revenue,  and cause the company to lose money, completely to Sony.  So let's take a hypothetical here to put this in perspective...There are ~140 million 360/PS3's right now according to sales figures.

[snip].

Firstly, there is a difference between console-gamers and console owners - some of the 56% could be playing on someone elses console and not own a console of their own

Secondly it could cause Microsoft to lose a significant numbr of revenue generating console owners.  My own position is that  tend to buy about 50 games a year (almost all new) and I don't have a broadband connection.  If the new generation of consoles does not appeal to me I can focus on clearing up my backlog rather than get connected.

I think you're drawing a conclusion that the article doesn't indicate,  there's no indication that Console Gamer isn't equivalent to Console Owner for the purposes of that study.

It is possible they could,  I don't dispute that.  I'm just saying that the X-box platform is largely irrelevant to them,  it's never really been significantly profitable and they're doing just fine.  They can easily take a significant reduction in revenue if it causes the competition to fold in the near term,  and it won't hurt the company at all.

It's all a hypothesis at this point until the Nextbox is announced,  but I can easily see them doing this. 

[Get Magna Carter]

The gamespot article says "Americans who say they play console games"
Many of these will be people who don't own a console but only play multiplayer games on a friend or relative's machine.
Then there will be family groups who share a single console.
So the 56% is an irrelevance and is unlikely to lead to the loss for Sony you are speculating.

Of course, reports suggest Microsoft want their machine to be a media hub rather than a games device so they may be happy to be rid of people who only want to play games on it.

Then again, the suggestion that "always online" is a REQUIREMENT is still an unconfirmed rumour and may be untrue.