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Lower points or score don't mean always lower skill or contribuition


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LuckyBullet95 wrote...

When you got 12000 effective health and shields, your pick from every giant mob dropper and big rocket launcher, there is no reason you should need to Heavy Melee EVERYTHING. It has to be said, I don't count a Juggernaut who scored 24k to be the most valuable player, you think I'd have been synced if he wasn't there? (And ****** off before you start Megabeast :lol:). Hell the game would've went 10 minutes faster because at least the replacement random would actually damage the enemy AND he'd be able to get out of the spawn the team is hitting BEFORE wave 8 starts... He isn't valuable at all, he's more of a hinderance. Without him less spawns would be blocked because he's too slow to get out of them in between waves forcing us to hit other less convenient spawns, enemies would die quicker thanks to someone acutally pressing RT and most of all, I wouldn't have a dick head placing his Hex Shield in front of my Graal Spike Thrower, Stasis, Throw, Incinerate or Overload...


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I hate juggernauts for doing that... We should get points for destroying their shields :ph34r:

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low score can also mean he was preventing a few spawn in an area to speed things up for them that is nuking them

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i actually like GJ Pugs even if their score is often low , they last longer than my other decoys and they never get insta-killed, so i can always revive them

Modifié par cgj, 06 avril 2013 - 11:43 .


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as long as the team finishes the match I could care less about score.
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You can't honestly say if someone finished a gold match, start to finish, with 8000 points, that he contributed the most to the team.

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Shadow of Terror wrote...

You can't honestly say if someone finished a gold match, start to finish, with 8000 points, that he contributed the most to the team.


8000 is not low score: It's ridiculous. He shouldn't be playing gold. Some games are lost when we risk to revive careless players, even "good" ones.

Modifié par COBRA_CRIADA_SE, 07 avril 2013 - 12:18 .


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COBRA_CRIADA_SE wrote...

Shadow of Terror wrote...

You can't honestly say if someone finished a gold match, start to finish, with 8000 points, that he contributed the most to the team.


8000 is not low score: It's ridiculous. He shouldn't be playing gold. Some games are lost when we risk to revive careless players, even "good" ones.

That the point, score isn't everything, but it's still important and a way to read contribution to the team.

If a guy gets 130K, and another guy gets 120K but didn't go down revived the first guy 10 times, then yes, the 2nd guy was more important.

But if a guy gets 180k, and someone else gets sub 20K, there is a clear winner there.

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Hey, it's a game, not a REAL war.. And it's funny to try different builds and weapons too!
So, when I play sometime I'm the first, sometime the last (and in this case I will change combination of character/build/weapon/power)

Here many claims to be a god.. Stupid idea..
What I think is that, till you do your maximum efforts during waves 3/6/10 to help the team with the objectives, and you didn't die to often, maybe revive the others, and most of all use your rockets and gels when needed, you are welcome in every match..

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I went claymore volus earlier tonight, batarian gauntlet, stacked mods and incendiary 3 ammo. Powers specced for damage rather than defensively. I went around killing EVERYTHING racking up huge scores but..all my team mates died, over and over again. Really incessantly. Yeah, I could solo, but it was really annoying me. last guy died in a bunch of phantoms, and the recharge on my shield boost was pretty long, took out two of them and a dragoon, I cloaked and went for the revive but..sync killed by a phantom that snuck up on me.

Next match I re-specced for full recharge on powers and shield boost spam. I took a Hurricane VIII and level III drill ammo which melted enemies just as well TBH and I came top again, but this time everyone lived easily and nothing could take me down with the insane DR evolution shield boost gave me.

So basically, do I want to be the douche who solos and wins, or the helpful guy who saves everyone and wins? If I have to follow you spamming shield boost, its because you are so crap you cannot stay alive for half a second.

If you are a decent player and they follow you spamming it I can see how it gets annoying, but just think of the boost to DPS you are getting yourself from not having to duck, dodge and take cover to recharge your shields - that 50% DR for 5 secs is very very nice. It used to remove the effects of seeker swarms though I don't think it does anymore - but that was really helpful.

People moan, but a well played shield spammer volus essentially turns all his team mates into Juggernauts, only you can all move fast, and you can all focus on damage dealing rather than meleeing to keep your shield up. Yes, good enough players really don't need this help - but if he recharges your shields just ONCE the whole match when a phantom is about to get you it saves you from a sync kill. The adept can give bosses a HUGE debuff which causes YOU to do much much more damage, easily enough to make up for the fact he isn't firing himself. This isn't apparent though to team mates and doesn't show up in the scoreboards.

I love playing offensively and dislike the SB spammer, but if PUGs continue to be awful it really is sometimes a better option - dead team mates contribute no damage at all whatsoever. By not keeping them alive I am robbing the team of far more damage potential than if I went solo, strange as it may sound. A good PUG I wont bother babysitting and will strike out on my own - but no wonder other volus users just SB spam, they have learn't from playing lots of bad games to do so. If they have not got a decent weapon on their character, and lets face it his weight limit is low - they cannot possibly do much damage themselves anyway so may as well spam powers. I am very lucky to have a level 8 Hurricane, look at Stardust - huge amount of playtime, almost full manifest, and no Hurricane.

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I don't think standing there being a bullet sponge counts as skill, OP. No matter how helpful it was for the team.

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If your a volus and you put up 40k because you were playing support then that is great.

If your playing a dps class and you put up 20-40k on Gold then you were carried. You owe people in that lobby an apology. You made the match harder, you ruined any attempt to control spawns, and people probably risked there necks reviving you.

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Tech Domain wrote...

I don't think standing there being a bullet sponge counts as skill, OP. No matter how helpful it was for the team.


A well played Juggernaut holds off all the bosses, and keeps 10 mobs surrounding him so we can mow them down with AOE explosions. All he is going to do is keep holding heavy melee. He may not score much but the match went fast and easy.

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warriorsea wrote...

Those don't matter. We just have to stand fast, stand strong and stand together.


Go out there and give it your all. Make yourselves proud.

Stand together. Stand as one. Be the wall upon which your enemies falter. Be the blade upon which they die.

Be as an avatar of righteousness upon which your foes are extinguished.

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Was playing with one of my freinds, he got very few points but got me tons o fire splosions and he bottom scored while I topscored. He also had a 50 assists medal.

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Drunkencelt wrote...

Tech Domain wrote...

I don't think standing there being a bullet sponge counts as skill, OP. No matter how helpful it was for the team.


A well played Juggernaut holds off all the bosses, and keeps 10 mobs surrounding him so we can mow them down with AOE explosions. All he is going to do is keep holding heavy melee. He may not score much but the match went fast and easy.

What point are you trying to make?

Yeah, they might have been useful to the team, which is exactly what I said, but where is the skill in keeping hold of heavy melee?
That's not what a good Jugg does. A good Jugg actually kills things too, while holding off bosses. Meleeing situationally, not constantly.

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how do you even get 8000(1 husk is worth atleast 450 points also 1 tick of an objective gives about that much) score to begin with that player must have done his best to avoid everything and i dont see a jug geting that low as thats near impossible, unless he spend every round dead at start of the wave but at that point consider him a leecher and to be kicked or constantly revived until he gets the drop for afk

or rest of the team is just killing everything before he get there but he will still get more then 8000 by objectives alone

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Tech Domain wrote...

Drunkencelt wrote...

Tech Domain wrote...

I don't think standing there being a bullet sponge counts as skill, OP. No matter how helpful it was for the team.


A well played Juggernaut holds off all the bosses, and keeps 10 mobs surrounding him so we can mow them down with AOE explosions. All he is going to do is keep holding heavy melee. He may not score much but the match went fast and easy.

What point are you trying to make?

Yeah, they might have been useful to the team, which is exactly what I said, but where is the skill in keeping hold of heavy melee?
That's not what a good Jugg does. A good Jugg actually kills things too, while holding off bosses. Meleeing situationally, not constantly.
To bring back shields and stop phantoms




Also, shoot all the things.

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Tech Domain wrote...

I don't think standing there being a bullet sponge counts as skill, OP. No matter how helpful it was for the team.


I think some GJs without high score show skill choosing and using powers to survive vicious attacks with a very slow character in platinum. Sometimes with part or all others down,

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Paynez wrote...

I tell you what else prevents sync-kills other than the Juggernaut.

Killing the enemy.

And that actually helps the team.


This...

IMHO if you are going to run Platinum, DPS is king, I would rather players killing the enemy than friggin around with a damn shield boost that they have the wrong load out for and end up dead pulling a score of maybe 20k, of the Juggy which I love on the team but man he is not made to simply melee, this kit can put out substantial damage and still aide the team.

On gold I personally do not want or need a shield boost, if there is a Juggy on the team it's good but at this level their main focus should be killing.

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If as a juggernaut my shield falls low, of course I will melee if its the only way to stay alive..I would prefer to shoot them and use powers, but if I get swamped sometimes its the only option if you cant get the buggers off me. I will usually kill most enemies before they get close - but the moment the shield is down I have to melee. If you keep enemies away I can promise you'll get plenty of DPS. Chocks of it. With bells on.

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Scoring less than 40K pretty much does mean low skill and contribution, assuming player was present for all 11 waves.

I mean, don't you get like 20K points already just for being present on all the objective waves or something?

doozerdude wrote...
Gold extraction with <100,000 points= Renegade or noob.


Well that's a pretty harsh standard. i think I've been in Gold games where NO-ONE got 100K pts. So I guess all 4 of us failed to contribute. Somehow.

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I'd rather have someone contributing to killing stuff. "Tanking" isn't good enough.

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Paynez wrote...

I tell you what else prevents sync-kills other than the Juggernaut.

Killing the enemy.

And that actually helps the team.

eh, ya know what prevents most pugs from getting SK'd?

dodging

and that's why you don't see many successful krogan pugs around

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Volus dont usually get very high scores but yet I always welcome them in my games.

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capn233 wrote...

Point whoring and wave 11 rockets are the best things you can do to help the team.


xD this! 

Also it seems a lot of incompetent pugs think juggernaut tanking is a good excuse for not killing anything and getting clutched in gold... This guy can still kill stuff very well if u slap good weapons and proper consumables... 

Yes they're called CONSUMABLES (because they're meant to be used)  not COLLECTABLES (becaus they're not meant to be hoarded and kept in N7HQ vault).