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[Rodia Driftwood]

It's pretty obvious the "O" stands for "Orsino", so why isn't there any follow up to what happened to Hawke's Mother? \\

[LobselVith8]

Rodia Driftwood wrote...

It's pretty obvious the "O" stands for "Orsino", so why isn't there any follow up to what happened to Hawke's Mother?

Why doesn't Hawke investigate this letter? For the same reason Hawke does nothing when Petrice admits she wants to kill innocent people to start a religious war with the Qunari, or how Hawke does nothing when Cullen and one single other templar come to take Bethany away, or how Hawke does nothing for three years while Meredith illegally rules over Kirkwall as a despot.

We have two story DLCs where Hawke continues to do nothing, despite being able to do something. I guess the developers thought mimicking furniture made for an interesting story... <_<

[TEWR]

Rodia Driftwood wrote...

It's pretty obvious the "O" stands for "Orsino", so why isn't there any follow up to what happened to Hawke's Mother?

It may be obvious to the player, but that doesn't make it obvious to Hawke. There could be any number of people in the Circle -- Mage or Templar -- with a first name that begins with "O", and at this time Hawke has never actually met Orsino. That happens a quest or two later on.

So to immediately say "Aha! It's this person I've never met before based on the fact that his name begins with the same letter, despite the fact that potentially hundreds or thousands of other peoples' names begin with!" seems like... well... jumping to illogical conclusions based on scant evidence, no matter how correct they may turn out to be.

In-game, we only see one person with a name that begins with O. That doesn't mean in-universe, Orsino's the only person with an O for a first name beginning letter.

As for the implication of your title about reacting in regards to just in general? Meh, Bioware wants Hawke to be an oblivious moron who can't do anything right without somebody holding his hand and guiding him.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 07 avril 2013 - 02:40 .

[thats1evildude]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

In-game, we only see one person with a name that begins with O. That doesn't mean in-universe, Orsino's the only person with an O for a first name beginning letter.

There's also  Olivia, Thrask's dead daughter, and Orana, who Hawke may have met at this point and may have known Leandra.

Perhaps Hawke should have raced back to the estate to accuse his elven servant of sanctioning a serial killer.

Modifié par thats1evildude, 07 avril 2013 - 08:12 .

[caradoc2000]

Why would Hawke assume it is the letter 'O' and not the number '0'.  How many of you guys can differentiate between those two in a handwritten text?

Zero is far more plausible as it stands for double-oh seven. James Bond financed necromantic research along with M (and J and K from men in black). The project was cancelled when it only produced alphabet soup.  

Seriously, the Orsino connection is only obvious after you have played the game.

[Sir George Parr]

Because the game doesn't allow Hawke to have any influence over anything that happens in that story. You can't control what happens to Hawke's immediate family. You can't stop petrice early on in the game.You have no influence over the mage / templars going to war, it will happen regardless of what you do. The game is very much in control of what happens, not the PC.

In the DLCs which address a lot of problems with main game, yet these DLCs still further exacerbate the lack of influence and control Hawke has on events. Want to stop Larius at the end of Legacy?, can't do that.As its a potential story to be covered in a later game.

Or do you want to stop Tallis by the close of MoTA, well you can't do that either as Bioware may want to use that character again so you are not allowed the choice in the matter. So Tallis is protected from up on high by a force more powerful than The Qun or The Maker. She gets protected by Bioware .
So Hawke doesn't get to investigate or influence anything because of how the game has being written and designed. Hawke as the PC deserved so much better than this. A lot of problems with the game can laided at the door of its brief development, when in all fairness it needed another year.

The letter being signed 'O' should be the moment that Hawke decides to side with Templars, but its not obvious who 'O' is until a second play of the game, but in that first game i know as much as Hawke does. But i found that it really doesn't have the impact that it should have and i still side with the Mages. As again the story seems to railroad you towards the Mages.After the death of Hawke's mother there is no moment of revelation, when you see that letter it doesn't influence your choice as you aren't allowed to influence events over the course of the game as what happens is going to happen regardless.For balance you Don't really get to see the Templars perspective to same degree as you do with the Mages.
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Modifié par XM-417, 04 mai 2013 - 10:38 .

[fivezeros]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Rodia Driftwood wrote...

It's pretty obvious the "O" stands for "Orsino", so why isn't there any follow up to what happened to Hawke's Mother?

It may be obvious to the player, but that doesn't make it obvious to Hawke. There could be any number of people in the Circle -- Mage or Templar -- with a first name that begins with "O", and at this time Hawke has never actually met Orsino. That happens a quest or two later on.

Not to mention the "O" could be for an alias or a last name. So that narrows it down to about... tens or possibly hundereds of thousands of people.

Remember what you know =/= what a character knows.

[dragonflight288]

For the same reason I didn't make the connection on my first play through. I hadn't met Orsino before. I knew of Orana, but I didn't think she was 'O'. I had no idea until AFTER act 3, and while it becomes obvious through metagaming, at the time I first saw the note, I had no clue who it may have referred to.

[Forst1999]

Hawke immediatly suspecting Orsino would be a stretch. Any mage with a name beginning with O could be it. Or it could be a zero or a circle that is used as a sign. The mage doesn't even have to be from Kirkwall, the killer came to Kirkwall only a few years ago according to DuPuis and still could have contacts elsewhere.
And when we meet Orsino, he seems perfectly reasonable. So Hawke would have to be utterly paranoid to suspect Orsino. He would be right, but still paranoid.

[Suron]

Rodia Driftwood wrote...

It's pretty obvious the "O" stands for "Orsino", so why isn't there any follow up to what happened to Hawke's Mother?

read my quote.

there ya go

[Wulfram]

I suspect the letter was added late in the day, after the voice work was done, so that Orsino going all Harvesterino had a tiny bit of foreshadowing. Like we got the Enigma of Kirkwall because the writers realised there was an inordinate amount of blood magic and possession going on..

But in the real world working out that Orsino was "O" wouldn't be very credible. It makes sense in narrative logic, because the letter wouldn't be included if it was just from some random guy who wasn't involved in the plot, but Hawke doesn't know he's part of a narrative.

Modifié par Wulfram, 09 avril 2013 - 03:52 .

[Demoiselle]

LobselVith8 wrote...

Rodia Driftwood wrote...

It's pretty obvious the "O" stands for "Orsino", so why isn't there any follow up to what happened to Hawke's Mother?

Why doesn't Hawke investigate this letter? For the same reason Hawke does nothing when Petrice admits she wants to kill innocent people to start a religious war with the Qunari, or how Hawke does nothing when Cullen and one single other templar come to take Bethany away, or how Hawke does nothing for three years while Meredith illegally rules over Kirkwall as a despot.

We have two story DLCs where Hawke continues to do nothing, despite being able to do something. I guess the developers thought mimicking furniture made for an interesting story... <_<

Hawke seems to get a load of crap done in two or three weeks and then take a break for three years before the plot picks up again. 

[twilekaoi]

It's because the devs/writers think we're stupid. They don't think the general player can discern who sent Quentin the tomes, so someone just decided to blatantly spell it out for us. It's just ammunition against the mages really. Though it would've made a bigger impact if they took out that "O" and just let the player speculate/come to realization that Orsino was the one who sent the tomes when the idiot decided to use necromancy/blood magic against Meredith.

Orsino, worst first enchanter ever!

Modifié par twilekaoi, 06 mai 2013 - 04:01 .