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[thedancingdruid]

What if the Crucible remained a Prothean device?
What if the Catalyst was simply the Citadel?
What if Javik had never been stripped from the vanilla game?

Anderson/Shepard/T.I.M. scene remains as is...
Anderson/Shepard convo remains as is...
Shepard passes out in front of the console...

(In races Javik hearing Admiral Hackett's voice via Shepard's omni-tool)

Javik: Commander, get up!

Shepard: (Puzzled, half-consious) Javik, how did you, where did you, why are you here?

Javik: (Javik speaking in Shepard's direction but not face to face) It's time to finish this Commander. Take your Admiral and get out of here. Humanity has earned their place in this galaxy.

I did not think when we first met that you could achieve this. I did not believe that such a disparate group of primitives would make it this far. You, Commander, in standing here (Javik looks down) have proven me wrong.
(Javik pauses then looks up and meets Shepard eye to eye).

Commander, you have earned not just my gratitude, but my respect.

You have been a beacon of hope. You have shown that diversity is important. You have united an entire galaxy. You have given that galaxy a future: a future of independence; a future of self-determination; a future secured by countless cycles of sacrifice. A future that ensures that those sacrifices will not be forgotten. A future that now is full of promise. A future that will now truly be free.

You have done your part, Commander, now, let me do mine.

Shepard: (Pained look, voice trailing) Javik...

Javik: It's my turn, Commander. I must take this last step; alone. (Javik with a furrowed brow, voice escalating)
I have to do this! I need to finish this for my people. Today, I take action for those slain! Today, my tribute will be given in honor of those that have fallen! Today, the Reapers will finally hear the cry of the last Prothean! Today vengeance is mine! Now, go, Commander!

Shepard: It has been an honor, Javik.

Javik: The honor is mine, Commander.

(Shepard gently shakes Anderson by the shoulder and helps him to his feet)
(Shepard and Anderson turn toward the beam)
(Shepard glances one last time at Javik and nods. Javik nods in return)
(Shepard and Anderson walk slowly toward the beam)
(The camera pans back to Javik who is looking out at the galaxy; at earth, with his hands clasped behind him defiantly)

Javik: My purpose is now fulfilled. Vendetta, (Vendetta appears) bring the control panel online. Initiate.

(Destroy sequence commences)

(Hackett's speech plays with scenes of victory as in EC)

(Credits)

[David7204]

Hell. No. The hero of the story is Shepard. Not Javik.

[schebobo]

Lol

[thedancingdruid]

@David7204 Right, forgot about the Citadel DLC and Garrus' insistence that Shepard always has to be the one to push the button.

[AlanC9]

David7204 wrote...

Hell. No. The hero of the story is Shepard Liara. Not Javik.

Fixed.   

[GHNR]

AlanC9 wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Hell. No. The hero of the story is Shepard Liara Conrad Verner. Not Javik.

Fixed.   

Even more fixed.

[Froswald]

I like it, plus it makes the Reapers feel even dumber that the ONE lifepod they forgot about **** all over them

No I'm being serious, real **** you to the Reapers there (plus Shepard is kind of a big shot already, let Javik push the button for once)

Modifié par Froswald, 07 avril 2013 - 05:21 .

[thedancingdruid]

@Froswald I can't tell if you're being sarcastic. As for me, it brings the circle of life to full fruition stressing the importance that one individual can make a difference.

I also don't believe Shepard's role as hero, to what he/she accomplished is in any way diminished by it.

[David7204]

Javik doesn't do anything to earn it. He just happens to be there at the right place and time. Why him, anyway? I sure as hell ain't taking him for the final assault. Sure, he might sacrifice himself, but any of the squadmates would be willing to do it if it meant sacrificing the Reapers.

That doesn't even touch all the problems with the Crucible just being a 'win' button that this does nothing to solve.

Modifié par David7204, 07 avril 2013 - 05:04 .

[thedancingdruid]

Wow, the negativity just seeps out from your pores doesn't it.

The first question posed that the Crucible remain a Prothean device. It's discovered on Mars, it's in the story. IIRC it's assumed to be a purely Prothean device until meeting Vendetta.

I said nothing about taking him for the final assault. I simply do not believe, however, given how he is presented in the game that he would go from the F.O.B. to the ship, he would have stayed on the ground fighting.

I accept the "win" button because it's presented early enough in the story. Mars has already been set as having Prothean ruins, it's where the Alliance discovered the "Mass Effect". It doesn't need to solve anything simply leave it as a weapon that destroys the Reapers.

[David7204]

It's nothing personal. But it's important to be...attentive to detail for this sort of thing. If you're not, you get sloppy and mistakes. I'm afraid that means shooting down 99% of the ideas I see here.

Javik is the absolute least admirable of the squadmates. He's a hypocrite and ultimately a coward. He doesn't deserve a redeeming moment like this, and I'm not willing to give it to him. This is a story about unity, friendship, love, heroism. I'm not going to give the final heroic moment to a character who gleefully advocates wanton genocide. That's a spit in the face to the themes of the series.

Modifié par David7204, 07 avril 2013 - 05:21 .

[thedancingdruid]

@David7204 I wasn't giving the moment to him personally I was allowing him to get disintegrated as he shoots the tube and blows up the Citadel because the Prothean people in general have given Shepard and company et al the galaxy the Crucible and with it victory.

I have paid plenty attention to detail including reading the 900+ page leaked script wherein Javik had a much bigger role and probably wouldn't have been viewed with so much disdain.

[Froswald]

David7204 wrote...

It's nothing personal. But it's important to be...attentive to detail for this sort of thing. If you're not, you get sloppy and mistakes. I'm afraid that means shooting down 99% of the ideas I see here.

Javik is the absolute least admirable of the squadmates. He's a hypocrite and ultimately a coward. He doesn't deserve a redeeming moment like this, and I'm not willing to give it to him. This is a story about unity, friendship, love, heroism. I'm not going to give the final heroic moment to a character who gleefully advocates wanton genocide. That's a spit in the face to the themes of the series.

I don't know about gleefully. The guy was born in war ("My first memory is seeing my planet on fire.") and while that does not excuse his actions, it's clear why he is the way he is. Spending your life seeing loss after loss, planets dying and unspeakable horrors committed, I'm surprised he managed to start to hope in the game. As for being a coward, I doubt that. He might welcome underhanded tactics but he has no problem sacrificing himself if it means defeating the Reapers, though it'd be interesting to see if he'd sacrifice himself to allow someone the CHANCE to stop them. I'm not sure what he'd do then.

[tonofluck21]

Javik lost his entire species to the Reapers so I suppose it would only be fair to have him do the same to them.

Still probably would have picked Control though.

[David7204]

He seals away the memories of his friends in the shard. He touts killing the krogan, killing the geth, but can't face the consequences of actions like that when they affect him personally. He's willing to forget about his friends out of anguish and shame.

Whether that's his fault or not...in the end, it doesn't matter. You are what you are.

Modifié par David7204, 07 avril 2013 - 05:32 .

[thedancingdruid]

@tonofluck21 I just can't see control as a viable option given Cerberus' portrayal by the writers and what that path has cost them and the galaxy in return.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

dafangirl wrote...

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Shepard's death, sacrifice makes the least sense. Javik surviving makes the least sense. I agree with you. He would be urging Shepard to save him/herself and be more than willing to go out in a blaze of glory. What does he have to live for? His entire race is dead. He said he is the avatar of vengeance for his people.

I agree with your post.

[thedancingdruid]

@alleyd Exactly.

@sHOtfUn jUliA Thank you.

[David7204]

Making sense isn't good enough. It has to be a good story.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

David7204 wrote...

Making sense isn't good enough. It has to be a good story.

It would make a good story. You're just not seeing it. It would make a hell of a great scene in a movie.

But the focus goes to Shepard returning to the Normandy, and the Citadel firing.

Modifié par sH0tgUn jUliA, 07 avril 2013 - 05:58 .

[mtmercydave09]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

dafangirl wrote...

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Shepard's death, sacrifice makes the least sense. Javik surviving makes the least sense. I agree with you. He would be urging Shepard to save him/herself and be more than willing to go out in a blaze of glory. What does he have to live for? His entire race is dead. He said he is the avatar of vengeance for his people.

I agree with your post.

Exactly, and Javik even says his sole purpose in life is to defeat the Reapers.  He would have been more than happy to take Shep's place going to the beam and getting revenge.

I guess that would have screwed up Bioware's story though.

[thedancingdruid]

@David7204 It makes more sense in my opinion that listening to some ghostly VI and watching Shepard walking with gun drawn shooting toward a tube before blowing up, pre-EC, the entire galaxy.

[David7204]

Not good enough. Movies can get away with things Mass Effect can't. I'm not willing to give a scene like that to Javik. Not at the very end. Maybe some kind of sacrifice earlier on.

[thedancingdruid]

@David7204 The writers of ME3 themselves wanted this piece of the trilogy to be the most cinematic. I didn't expound on what happens afterward because it seems the writers didn't want a Star Wars type ticker-tape ending.

It is still bittersweet in my opinion, millions upon millions have been lost, sacrifices have been made throughout, Mordin, Legion, possibly more depending on the playthrough and finally with Javik's sacrifice not only can the Protheans rest in peace but the galaxy has a chance at a future.