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What Are The Best 'Modern' RPGs?
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I agree with everything except ME2. It's not an RPG. Hallway shooter with dialogue.
Yet... Human Revolution is?
Wat?
P.S Not saying that it isn't, but those two a pretty similar apart from the variables presented through exploration in DE.
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To each his own, but I'd rather shoot myself than put Fable 2 & ME in there.
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Posté 08 avril 2013 - 01:48
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I'd hardly place any ME besides the first one there, since they barely qualify as RPGs in my book. They're good nevertheless.
I've never played Fable 2 but I played 3 and it was one of the worst RPGs I've played in recent memory, so I'm not sure about that, and I would TW1 in there, as well.
Despite that, pretty good list. DAO, New Vegas and TW2 are my favorites from the the list.
I've never played Fable 2 but I played 3 and it was one of the worst RPGs I've played in recent memory, so I'm not sure about that, and I would TW1 in there, as well.
Despite that, pretty good list. DAO, New Vegas and TW2 are my favorites from the the list.
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Posté 08 avril 2013 - 02:27
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What? Yes. Human Revolution is certainly an RPG. How can you even compare the two? You don't have to shoot anyone if you don't want to (except the crappy bosses). That game allows you to truly build your character and role play. The leveling system is so far beyond any of the Mass Effect games, but especially 2, which had a leveling system that was so dumbed down I often question why it was included in the game at all.simfamSP wrote...
EpicBoot2daFace wrote...
I agree with everything except ME2. It's not an RPG. Hallway shooter with dialogue.
Yet... Human Revolution is?
Wat?
P.S Not saying that it isn't, but those two a pretty similar apart from the variables presented through exploration in DE.
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Posté 08 avril 2013 - 02:53
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Heavy Rain is an RPG to people? I never really tried to classify that type of game before. Indigo Prophecy as well. I know they're some kind of adventure game but I've never cared about what kind.Angrywolves wrote...
Heavy Rain and the upcomig Beyond Two Souls . Wonder what David Cage thinks of Gaider ? There are a couple more I can't recall their names at the moment.
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Posté 08 avril 2013 - 02:58
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simfamSP wrote...
EpicBoot2daFace wrote...
I agree with everything except ME2. It's not an RPG. Hallway shooter with dialogue.
Yet... Human Revolution is?
Wat?
P.S Not saying that it isn't, but those two a pretty similar apart from the variables presented through exploration in DE.
DX: Human Revolution offers far greater choice than either Mass Effect game.
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Posté 08 avril 2013 - 05:31
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Eh, I prefer ME greatly to the other games in the series, IMO it was the only one worth replaying.
OK list, would cut a few titles, add some, and definitely rearrange them to put NWN2(with expansions) at the top.
OK list, would cut a few titles, add some, and definitely rearrange them to put NWN2(with expansions) at the top.
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Posté 08 avril 2013 - 05:46
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I wouldn't put any game where I couldn't create my own character on the list.
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Posté 08 avril 2013 - 07:02
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Maverick827 wrote...
I wouldn't put any game where I couldn't create my own character on the list.
Then you're missing like 90% of all games ever. And some of the best ever. But each to his own I guess.
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Posté 08 avril 2013 - 07:13
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Witcher 2 is the best modern RPG in my opinion. Also, it's been said before, but soon enough this list will be obsolete. If games like Torment, Project Eternity, Witcher 3, and Cyberpunk 2077 live up to only HALF their ambition, we'll have some of the greatest RPGs of all time on our hands.
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Posté 08 avril 2013 - 07:14
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To each his own, but I'd rather shoot myself than put Fable 2 & ME in there.
Hahaha. I actually concur.
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Posté 08 avril 2013 - 07:23
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Every game is considered a RPG nowadays, it seems.
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Posté 08 avril 2013 - 07:29
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Maverick827 wrote...
I wouldn't put any game where I couldn't create my character on the list.
Just because you can't choose what your character looks like, or what their stats are in the beginning, doesn't mean that the game is automatically crap. (Or even just crap as an RPG)
I'm not asking you to change your opinion. I just think it would be a good idea if you broadened your horizons a little. I'm sure you'll find some truly amazing games that way.
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Since when were 90% of all games ever "RPGs"?Luxorek wrote...
Maverick827 wrote...
I wouldn't put any game where I couldn't create my own character on the list.
Then you're missing like 90% of all games ever. And some of the best ever. But each to his own I guess.
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Posté 08 avril 2013 - 07:44
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J. Reezy wrote...
Since when were 90% of all games ever "RPGs"?
I meant games in general. Consider this my mistake, as I didn't notice his "on the list" when I wrote that.
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Posté 08 avril 2013 - 07:55
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I agree with all of the op's list but I would replace NWN 2 with Kingdoms of Amalur: Reckoning (purely because I have never played NWN2, and Kingdoms is a great game)
I would also swap Fallot: NV with Fallout 3 because I preferred the Capital Wasteland and the story.
I would also swap Fallot: NV with Fallout 3 because I preferred the Capital Wasteland and the story.
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Posté 08 avril 2013 - 12:04
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To each his own I guess. I thought NV was a big improvement over F3.Thane64 wrote...
I agree with all of the op's list but I would replace NWN 2 with Kingdoms of Amalur: Reckoning (purely because I have never played NWN2, and Kingdoms is a great game)
I would also swap Fallot: NV with Fallout 3 because I preferred the Capital Wasteland and the story.
OP good list, although I disagree with ME2 or Fable 2 on the list. I own Fable 3 for the xbox 360 and I have completed it once. God that was bad.
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Posté 08 avril 2013 - 12:51
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I didn't say that it was.bob_20000 wrote...
Just because you can't choose what your character looks like, or what their stats are in the beginning, doesn't mean that the game is automatically crap. (Or even just crap as an RPG)
I just don't cconsider RPGs that don't have character creation to be in the category of the "best modern RPG."
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Posté 08 avril 2013 - 01:15
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I read through this thread, and nowhere did I see 'Morrowind' or 'VtM:Bloodlines'.
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Posté 08 avril 2013 - 01:24
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Interesting list. I personally wouldn't put in it Fable II (The Lost Chapters was a good game, but I was very underwhelmed by the sequel), Skyrim (because I still like Morrowind more) or Mass Effect 2 (even if it does a lot of things right, it's still a disappointment for me compared to the first game).
I would also find a place somewhere for Alpha Protocol and The Witcher 1
edit: the horror: I forgot about Vampire Bloodlines! It's also from 2004, so it should totally make the list!
I would also find a place somewhere for Alpha Protocol and The Witcher 1
edit: the horror: I forgot about Vampire Bloodlines! It's also from 2004, so it should totally make the list!
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Posté 08 avril 2013 - 01:26
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Very solid list.
Although, I would put Fable 1 over Fable 2, but I like what you argued and it's your list anyway, haha.
Although, I would put Fable 1 over Fable 2, but I like what you argued and it's your list anyway, haha.
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What? Yes. Human Revolution is certainly an RPG. How can you even compare the two? You don't have to shoot anyone if you don't want to (except the crappy bosses). That game allows you to truly build your character and role play. The leveling system is so far beyond any of the Mass Effect games, but especially 2, which had a leveling system that was so dumbed down I often question why it was included in the game at all.
Yeah...levelling systems. I'm not so big on them if they aren't integrated with dialogue mechanics. And this goes beyond persuasion feats.
I find it ironic that auto-dialogue is the damnation of roleplaying (of which I agree) but DE: HR has substantially more auto-dialogue than ME2.
As for the shooter mechanics, you're right, you can go full-out pacificst in Deus Ex and that's great. But are you really condemning ME2 for its shooter gameplay when soooo many RPGs (including Planescape) have many forced encounters and dungeons in which you *have* to fight.
I seriously don't get your complaint. How is ME2 *not* an RPG?
Ability to develop/define Shepard? Check (more so than Adam.)
Ability to make decisions in given situation? Check (DE is famous for it, I wouldn't have seen a sequel being so popular if they did not incorporate the same mechanics from the original.)
That's about all you need, regardless of how the game works, whether it's a shooter, sandbox, point-and-click adventure... that's the beauty of RPGs, you can put in absolutely anything.
Intricate and complex levelling systems are meaningless since they belong to most genres now, hell, I'd go as far and say COD's system is far better than ME2's, and that's an FPS.
