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[grumpymooselion]

I hope that DA3 takes candy from a baby and goes on a mad romp through town, as the mother chases after it with a machine gun.

o_0

[EpicBoot2daFace]

bigbad1013 wrote...

I dislike the notion that BioWare is incapable of making their own game and thus they have to copy either the Witcher or Skyrim (and yes, I am aware of the who whole "aggressively looking at Skyrim" thing). What Dragon Age 3 should be, in my opinion, is a mix of the very best things from the first two games.

Instead of having a vision of what they want, BioWare tries to make games that they think other people would want. It's not subtle, either. You can step back and look at Dragon Age and clearly see a lack of direction. If looking at other games that were very well received helps them in some way, I'm all for it.

Do I think it's going to help? No, not really. I think ever since the EA buyout everything has been downhill for them. BioWare was once an independent company that made niche RPG's that fans of RPG's really loved. They were free to do whatever they wanted and have gone on record as saying that they used to make the games they themselves wanted to play and that they can't do that anymore.

Anyway, EA comes along and says "hey, we're buying your compnay and now you have to make tiple-A games that sell millions of copies." So, now they gotta figure out how to turn their niche RPG's into something that appeals to everybody. I would hate to be in that position.

Modifié par EpicBoot2daFace, 07 avril 2013 - 09:36 .

[Ridwan]

As long as Bioware remembers that imitating is bad, emulating isn't. Emulating certain parts of Skyrim for example, the scenery porn, the small things such as houses and books and crafting is a good thing.

[slimgrin]

Nothing wrong in learning from other games but after DA2 the franchise is clearly suffering from an identity crisis. They should just work on making DA actually stand out from other games.

Modifié par slimgrin, 07 avril 2013 - 09:59 .

[9TailsFox]

Sauruz wrote...

I really hope DA3 takes from DAO and from neither one of these.

[eroeru]

9TailsFox wrote...

Sauruz wrote...

I really hope DA3 takes from DAO and from neither one of these.

[Liamv2]

XM-417 wrote...

Hope DA3 does its own thing and takes nothing from either.

[Zekka]

Funny part is that both DA3 and TW3 are taking inspiration from Skyrim. The only difference I see is that CDProjekt red have given us more information on The Witcher 3 than Bioware has given us on Dragon Age: Inquisition.

Back on topic, I just hope Bioware look back to their previous entries and see what people like and wanted and put that in the new game. If Bioware really wants inspiration they should look at their past games and try to make games that are better than those.

[Tinxa]

Well in the past all bioware games followed the same basic design: prologue area, starting area, 4 big areas which could be visited in any order and an ending area. They tried something different with DA2 with the timeskips and only one city with a few surrounding areas but I don't think it quite worked as intended.

I really like the witcher 2 design of completely different area, characters and storyline in chapter 2 depending on who you chose to follow. Only once you've played the game twice and experienced both sides you fully grasped the plot and got all the information and I really liked that.

I think with bioware skill in writing it would be interesting if they tried something similar in one of their games.

[TheJediSaint]

Really, if DA3 is just DA2 minus the wave-based combat and reused areas, then it'll probably do all right.

[schebobo]

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

This was discussed in another thread and the reason given (which appears to be the primary one) is because Skyrim was a huge success. It sold over 10 million copies.

I don't think there's much to take from Skyrim that will work in a game like Dragon Age and I think they're going about it all wrong. Skyrim sold a lot because Bethesda made the game they themselves wanted to play and didn't focus test everything, and more importantly, they recognize that you can't please everyone. BioWare, please take note: you can't make everyone want to play your game no matter what you add or take away. Accept it.

Regardless of what they do, I doubt DA3 will reach 10 million copies sold. It's just not going to happen and I don't think EA should expect it to do that well.

Actually This, Bioware have been trying to please too many people for too long. I'm not saying they shouldn't take inspiration from great games or they shouldn't try to catch some more customers but at the same time, there's no need for them to completely sacrifice what they did before or be ashamed of it (except for DA:O combat on consoles.... )

[Ridwan]

Just to make it clear to those that have some form of problem with Skyrim. Emulating certain aspects of a game that has sold over 11 million copies, it not a bad idea. Don't tell me you don't want to be able to craft your own gear, own multiple houses and even have books in them?

[schebobo]

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

bigbad1013 wrote...

I dislike the notion that BioWare is incapable of making their own game and thus they have to copy either the Witcher or Skyrim (and yes, I am aware of the who whole "aggressively looking at Skyrim" thing). What Dragon Age 3 should be, in my opinion, is a mix of the very best things from the first two games.

Instead of having a vision of what they want, BioWare tries to make games that they think other people would want. It's not subtle, either. You can step back and look at Dragon Age and clearly see a lack of direction. If looking at other games that were very well received helps them in some way, I'm all for it.

Do I think it's going to help? No, not really. I think ever since the EA buyout everything has been downhill for them. BioWare was once an independent company that made niche RPG's that fans of RPG's really loved. They were free to do whatever they wanted and have gone on record as saying that they used to make the games they themselves wanted to play and that they can't do that anymore.

Anyway, EA comes along and says "hey, we're buying your compnay and now you have to make tiple-A games that sell millions of copies." So, now they gotta figure out how to turn their niche RPG's into something that appeals to everybody. I would hate to be in that position.

Also very true, I think one of the differences between CDPorjekt red & Bethesda and Bioware is that the they (the first two) aren't bending over for their publishers in the same way that EA may demand Bioware too. 

[Druk-Qs]

M25105 wrote...

Just to make it clear to those that have some form of problem with Skyrim. Emulating certain aspects of a game that has sold over 11 million copies, it not a bad idea. Don't tell me you don't want to be able to craft your own gear, own multiple houses and even have books in them?

It's not a bad idea on paper, but if you add the context that the games are barely anything alike... Then it becomes a problem.

[LilyasAvalon]

XM-417 wrote...

Hope DA3 does its own thing and takes nothing from either.

[Topsider]

Bethesda focus on creating huge, open worlds - which they are very good at - but the story and characters tend to suffer as a result. Exploring this new land is great fun initially until you've been to most locations, then you wish there was more depth. Still, Beth really should beef up the main quest in future games. The writing quality in the books you find is of a higher standard. And the Guilds. I think it's deliberate to be honest.

Bioware is better at story-driven rpgs and characterization, but that can be too linear sometimes. You feel restricted. More freedom to explore would be nice, just don't make the areas so big that they seem like filler.

I couldn't get into TW2 for some reason, gave up after a few hours. It's been sitting idle on Steam for over a year. I might try again though, just to see what's so special about this game.

[Celene II]

Am I the only one that despised the Witcher series and hopes no game takes anything from it including any new Witcher games?

[kumquats]

Celene II wrote...

Am I the only one that despised the Witcher series and hopes no game takes anything from it including any new Witcher games?

I really did enjoy Witcher 1, but I have a huge problem with the second one.
So no, you aren't alone. ^^

[KiwiQuiche]

XM-417 wrote...

Hope DA3 does its own thing and takes nothing from either.

[daaaav]

Celene II wrote...

Am I the only one that despised the Witcher series and hopes no game takes anything from it including any new Witcher games?

Despised? Do not want to initiate a fan boy/girl war... but surely you can appreciate that different games may have strengths in different areas and that a willingness to learn from each would give gaming greater depth?

Modifié par daaaav, 08 avril 2013 - 08:13 .

[Luxorek]

Twisted Path wrote...
Of course I've got to admit that though I think it's a great game I've never gotten around to beating The Witcher or touched the second game. It's a great game and I maybe played halfway through it but I just couldn't get into playing the Generic-Mc-Grim-Man-Hero character you're forced to play.

There is nothing generic about Geralt, which you would have probably seen if you gave the Witcher games the chance they deserve. 

He is his own man, with his own set of beliefs, that you can shape throughout the game [often through his actions]. He is not a wisecracking ass or some "savior of orphans" and often deals with prejudice directed at him or his friends. 

Damn, that's why I hate when people play games for few hours and then say things like you said ; /

[Commander Kurt]

I'm not a huge fan of the branching story-line in TW2, it made the game far too short. I prefer a myriad of small choices having unexpecting and well worked outcomes. Fetch quests with a twist that can grow into something major, just stuff to break up the sometimes rather monotone gaming experience that can be RPG's.

Killing the troll in Flotsam was a good example of this in my opinion.

M25105 wrote...

Just to make it clear to those that have some form of problem with Skyrim. Emulating certain aspects of a game that has sold over 11 million copies, it not a bad idea. Don't tell me you don't want to be able to craft your own gear, own multiple houses and even have books in them?

I honestly have no interest in that at all (well, okay, crafting is nice).

[Bayonet Hipshot]

M25105 wrote...

I hope DA:I takes more from DA:O than they do from Witcher 2. Cause you know, games shouldn't try to imitate other games.

[Ridwan]

Luxorek wrote...

Twisted Path wrote...
Of course I've got to admit that though I think it's a great game I've never gotten around to beating The Witcher or touched the second game. It's a great game and I maybe played halfway through it but I just couldn't get into playing the Generic-Mc-Grim-Man-Hero character you're forced to play.

There is nothing generic about Geralt, which you would have probably seen if you gave the Witcher games the chance they deserve. 

He is his own man, with his own set of beliefs, that you can shape throughout the game [often through his actions]. He is not a wisecracking ass or some "savior of orphans" and often deals with prejudice directed at him or his friends. 

Damn, that's why I hate when people play games for few hours and then say things like you said ; /

Really? I thought he was the usual Generic-Mc-Grim-Man-Hero as Twisted Path put it so elequently. I also found it funny how nearly every woman in the game all wanted to dive down on him the instant they saw him.

[Volus Warlord]

I just hope it's a role playing game and not a romance playing game.