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[The Teyrn of Whatever]

Hoping fans realize that Dragon Age 3 is likely to take after Skyrim and Witcher 2 a lot less than they might be expecting. BioWare are a veteran development company. I trust it will play and feel rather a lot like a BioWare game. Say what fans will about ME3 and DA2, they were at their core still very much BioWare games...

[RandomSyhn]

I agree with The Teryn of Whatever

Why does this game have to imitate another? Seriously I just want Dragon Age Inquisition to be just like Dragon Age Inquisition. If I want Skyrim or the Witcher I'll play Skyrim or the Witcher. I understand the desire for using other games as reference but that doesn't mean this game from a completly different development team, different studio different publisher will be exactly like these other games from a similar genre.

[Rawgrim]

Same here. But getting inspiration from something else isn`t allways bad either.

[Annie_Dear]

No.

Bioware should takes more from Dragon Age: Origins.

[Commander Kurt]

M25105 wrote...

[...] hell imagine a romanced wife in your home or something [...].

Oh, man...  I bet you didn't mean it like I read it though, so I'll just chill...

EntropicAngel wrote...

Commander Kurt wrote...

Ingrate...

Lol, has your experience been otherwise?

Well, certainly. This practice also extends to favours and being nice in general, which should all be paid for in sex.

Aaaaand, no. Not really serious.

[Sutekh]

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

Blair Brown wrote...

I think we are going to make the game WE want to make.

Sure you will always be influenced by other games(movies/art/writing/etc) previous and current, and you can use that, but you must remain true to your own design, goals, and vision.

Well, you'll have to forgive me if I don't take your word for it. You used to be able to make the games you wanted to make back when your company was independent. But I doubt EA is interested in RPG's that only satisfy a niche market.

Did Bioware recently stated (or ever) they want to make games that satisfy a niche market? How do you know what are the games they actually want to make. In turn, how can you say EA prevents them to do so? (which, forgive the assumption, I read as "you sold your soul to the Big Bad Corp").

Also, you (and others) keep using Skyrim's 10 million sales as a gauge of quality (which, as much as I love Skyrim, it isn't). How is 10 million a niche market when the niche is the size of Belgium or Greece in numbers? There's just something in the reasoning where "good games =  niche market [where I belong]" and "good games = 10 million sales" I don't quite get.

[Ridwan]

11 million sales, whether people like it or not, only happen if it's a good successful game. Skyrim was just that, yes, maybe the story isn't super duper and the characters at times can seem a little flat, people didn't buy Skyrim cause of the lore. Not everything is about the damn lore. Exploring, shooting down dragons with shouts, assassinating, sneaking around and stealing, discovering potions and enchantments and on and on is what made the game the great. You can actually stop around and take a look and enjoy the game, it's filled with scenery porn.

I know this is the BSN, where people care deeply about lore and characters (hell I do too, DA:O ranks up with Fallout 2 for me when it comes to great rpgs) but completely ignoring what makes other games good and try and refusing to implement them in your own game is not a sign of that a company wants to engage more people in their games. You can't make a profit making more and more expensive games and only sell them to the same crowd. Hell Blizzard has made a career out of looking at great, but financially unsuccessful games and keeping what worked and improving and fixing or ignoring what didn't work. And look at the now, aside from the Diablo 3, Blizzard has a great reputation amongst gamers for making good quality games. So did Bioware, but they're going down a slope now and Dragon Age: Inquisitor might be what they need to save themselves. Attracting new gamers by using elements from other great rpgs, such as Skyrim and still keep what worked for those that were with them. Example getting rid of the dumb awesome button would be a good idea, contrary to popular "hardcore" gamer belief, casuals aren't stupid people infatuated by big explosions that occur when you press "2". They want to be immersed as well, but when you have a hostile "core" crowd that refuses anything that might be seen as a change, then you got a problem.

You can't honestly expect that spending at least 50 million dollar (cause we all know that the budget is gonna be big, especially with all the voice acting) and then barely meet 3 million in sales is a good thing. You want Bioware to be successful, I do too. You don't want that success to come by Bioware being greedy dicks and releasing games too early, neither do I. But some of you don't want ANY change from the norm and here's where I disagree.

[Dean_the_Young]

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

Blair Brown wrote...

I think we are going to make the game WE want to make.

Sure you will always be influenced by other games(movies/art/writing/etc) previous and current, and you can use that, but you must remain true to your own design, goals, and vision.

Well, you'll have to forgive me if I don't take your word for it. You used to be able to make the games you wanted to make back when your company was independent. But I doubt EA is interested in RPG's that only satisfy a niche market.

What makes you think Bioware was ever interested in RPG's that only satisfied a niche market?

Dragon Age Origins, Mass Effect 1, Jade Empire, SWTOR... these weren't exactly attempts at the same niche market.

Modifié par Dean_the_Young, 09 avril 2013 - 09:44 .

[Giubba]

XM-417 wrote...

Hope DA3 does its own thing and takes nothing from either.

+1

[zeypher]

Well i find my self in an awkward position for saying this even though i love the witcher series. I want DA to be its own thing. I play CDPR games for the stuff they great at, i play bioware games for completely another reason. I do not want my games getting homogenised. That already happened in the fps/dude bro shooter crowd. Please lets not destroy the individuality of different franchises.

I want witcher in my witcher games and i want DA in my DA games. So for anything if they need inspiration from anywhere i would suggest they look at DAO. There is a reason why so many of us liked it.

Bud sadly i fear it wont be the case if mass effect series was anything to go by. They destroyed their uniqueness from 2nd game onwards and then tried to copy deux ex style engings in the third. Sigh i hope developers realise we play their games for their uniqueness.

So if they decide to ape witcher or skyrim i rather play those games than some pale imiation. Again mind you i like all the 3 series being witcher, DA, elder scrolls. I just play each of them for the different things each offers.

Modifié par zeypher, 09 avril 2013 - 10:19 .

[Cimeas]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

I know JR was a big fan of BioWare's games.

Who's JR?

[Ridwan]

Cimeas wrote...

Allan Schumacher wrote...

I know JR was a big fan of BioWare's games.

Who's JR?

Former play by play announcer for the WWE. You've probably heard him yell "By God, he's broken in half!"

[Cutlasskiwi]

Cimeas wrote...

Allan Schumacher wrote...

I know JR was a big fan of BioWare's games.

Who's JR?

I'm guessing John Riccitiello.

[DragonAgeLegend]

I don't want them to take inspiration from anywhere else other than already made Bioware games, such BG and NWN.. There's a really talented team working on Dragon Age and I cannot wait to see what they come up with on their own, not using Skyrim or the Witcher.

[Heimdall]

The only thing they've ever expressed as being influenced by Skyrim was the intent to make larger more explorable areas. That's it. People overreact...

[Kyuhyun]

GOD NO!
The Witcher is one of the worst RPGs (if you can even call it that) I've ever played and if DA3 is going to be anything like that poor excuse of a game I'm going to set myself on fire. Bye.

[wetnasty]

Kyuhyun wrote...

GOD NO!
The Witcher is one of the worst RPGs (if you can even call it that) I've ever played and if DA3 is going to be anything like that poor excuse of a game I'm going to set myself on fire. Bye.

[Ridwan]

Kyuhyun wrote...

GOD NO!
The Witcher is one of the worst RPGs (if you can even call it that) I've ever played and if DA3 is going to be anything like that poor excuse of a game I'm going to set myself on fire. Bye.

Oh this is gonna be good, this board has so many Witcher fans.

[Degenerate Rakia Time]

M25105 wrote...

Kyuhyun wrote...

GOD NO!
The Witcher is one of the worst RPGs (if you can even call it that) I've ever played and if DA3 is going to be anything like that poor excuse of a game I'm going to set myself on fire. Bye.

Oh this is gonna be good, this board has so many Witcher fans.

no excuse for bad taste

[Volus Warlord]

Rakia Time wrote...

M25105 wrote...

Kyuhyun wrote...

GOD NO!
The Witcher is one of the worst RPGs (if you can even call it that) I've ever played and if DA3 is going to be anything like that poor excuse of a game I'm going to set myself on fire. Bye.

Oh this is gonna be good, this board has so many Witcher fans.

no excuse for bad taste

You can't think of any excuse for your own horrible taste?

[Sacred_Fantasy]

Plaintiff wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

That list shows people bought them not that they played through them or liked them. In either case, quantity does not equal quality.

Sacred_Fantasy asserted that a linear narrative experience would not appeal to 10 million+ gamers.

 

Yes. I am asserting that a linear narrative experience would not appeal to 10 million+ gamers.

Plaintiff wrote..

Sacred_Fantasy is wrong. The best-selling videogame franchises are almost entirely linear narrative experiences, and many of them, like Mario and Final Fantasy, have been enjoying their popularity for decades, so obviously their success goes beyond mere advertising.

I played 8 out 12 games estimated at least 100 millions copies sold listed under those link. Mario, Super Mario, Pokemon and Tetris has a story? Yeah sure. I doubt this people play them just to save the princess or.... wait there is no story for Tetris. Most of this people probably play them for a few minutes daily. They don't have the time to save the princess in Mario or Super Mario. They don't have to. It's all about scoring points for a quick break. And Fifa? What story is there for the developer to railroaded the player? Care to tell me such story? Or how about the Sims? 

Plaintiff wrote...

The best selling videogame francises are almost entirely linear narrative?

Oh please. Why don't you list me a single title video games instead? And before you mentioned Final Fantasy, Square Enix's top selling Final Fantasy series is none other than the old Final Fantasy 7,
http://vgsales.wikia...uare-Enix_games
http://vgsales.wikia...i/Final_Fantasy


thanks to it's superb graphic and advance cinematic technology at that time. Therefore, it's arguable to claim Final Fantasy success is based on it's narrative linear.  

So Plaintiff, unless you can come up with a single title that sold as much as non linear narrative such as Grand Theft Auto 4 ( 22 millions copies ) or sandbox games like The Sims ( 16 millions copies ), then I stand correct with my assessment.

Modifié par Sacred_Fantasy, 09 avril 2013 - 01:59 .

[Degenerate Rakia Time]

Volus Warlord wrote...


You can't think of any excuse for your own horrible taste?

i dont need an excuse, i'm proud of it, proud of my low standarts too 

Modifié par Rakia Time, 09 avril 2013 - 02:24 .

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

Yes, more wimen! lulz

But I've heard the "Politics" of Witcher(s) is deep and interesting.

Modifié par Legatus Arianus, 09 avril 2013 - 03:26 .