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[InvincibleHero]

I would say she should have replaced Samara and could have altered the endings a bit for that scene in the monastery.

[Argolas]

InvincibleHero wrote...

I would say she should have replaced Samara and could have altered the endings a bit for that scene in the monastery.

Morinth is a lost cause... she can't stop killing.

[Artifex_Imperius]

In one night "Do" the entire crew of the normandy! after the suicide mission. game over man!

[Liamv2]

Han Shot First wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Decompose.

[MetioricTest]

CrutchCricket wrote...

 Morinth got shafted worst of all.

Pre DLC? Zaeed

[KainD]

Argolas wrote...

Morinth is a lost cause... she can't stop killing.

1) Yes she can, she just has no reason to, bioware didn't let the player give a lot of reason either. 
2) What does that have to do with her loving her sisters, and wanting to help out? 

[CrutchCricket]

MetioricTest wrote...

Pre DLC? Zaeed

Zaeed made an appearance. He contributed something.

Morinth made no appearance whatsoever, instead only getting a banshee named after her. There is no contest.

[Forst1999]

She does show some fondness of her sisters, but after all the only thing that really matters to Morinth is Morinth. Taking the massive risk of showing up the the monastery to save them wouldn't fit the Morinth I know.
Her involvement in the war wouldn't make it much more likely to be won, but would make her dying in battle much more likely. Laying low would be there typical Morinth course of action. As the cycle can keep going for quite some time, she'd probably try to find some remote place to have her fun. Happy it didn't work out.

[Banul]

Escape the monastery, but don't become a murderer

[robertthebard]

Paint me a scenario that demonstrates why I should choose somebody that obviously preys on innoncents, based entirely on what we know from ME 2, over somebody that is sworn to protect innoncents, and, ultimately, sworn to my service. I have never seen a reason to choose Morinth over Samara. So I guess I agree with David, decompose.

[GFOX7]

After the end of ME2 I would use my newfound freedom from my mother pursuing me and trying to kill me, I would proceed to sex my way across the galaxy, sleeping with anything and everything I could get my blue mitts on (yes even Elcor).

My adventure would eventually bring me to a very dominant personality that intrigued me to no end. We hit it off immediately, it was almost as if it was no longer by choice. Finding him completely irresistable, we finally settled down for our first night, at which point he looked at me with his six eyes and proclaimed,

"Assuming direct control!"



And that explains the state of Harbinger and Morrinth on Earth in ME3.

Modifié par GFOX7, 08 avril 2013 - 02:47 .

[Argolas]

KainD wrote...

Argolas wrote...

Morinth is a lost cause... she can't stop killing.

1) Yes she can, she just has no reason to, bioware didn't let the player give a lot of reason either. 
2) What does that have to do with her loving her sisters, and wanting to help out? 

I only saved Morinth once and I never saw her say or do anything that doesn't have anything to do with sating her urges.

[KainD]

Forst1999 wrote...

She does show some fondness of her sisters, but after all the only thing that really matters to Morinth is Morinth. Taking the massive risk of showing up the the monastery to save them wouldn't fit the Morinth I know.

The Morinth I know was so greatful to Shepard for getting rid of Samara for her, that she willingly went on a suicide mission to help out and haven't caused a single problem to the crew. 

[CrutchCricket]

Argolas wrote...

I only saved Morinth once and I never saw her say or do anything that doesn't have anything to do with sating her urges.

Ah but that's where a little thing called "character development" would come in...

Again, the root of the problem is she never had a chance because there was no reason to save her. If you could've somehow stalled Samara till after the mission and had them both, maybe then Morinth would've had a chance to prove useful. Or even grow a little in the face of doom, one way or another.

[IntelligentME3Fanboy]

Morinth?
Step one:Grab a Carnifex
Step two:Target my head
Step three:Fire

[KainD]

robertthebard wrote...

Paint me a scenario that demonstrates why I should choose somebody that obviously preys on innoncents, based entirely on what we know from ME 2, over somebody that is sworn to protect innoncents, and, ultimately, sworn to my service. I have never seen a reason to choose Morinth over Samara. So I guess I agree with David, decompose.

It's all there, if you don't see it you just don't. I personally would pick Morinth over Samara in a real life situation, and that to me is the right choice. 

[CrutchCricket]

KainD wrote...

It's all there, if you don't see it you just don't. I personally would pick Morinth over Samara in a real life situation, and that to me is the right choice. 

Really? Why?

[KainD]

CrutchCricket wrote...

KainD wrote...
It's all there, if you don't see it you just don't. I personally would pick Morinth over Samara in a real life situation, and that to me is the right choice. 

Really? Why?

Because you don't lock up people before they have done something wrong just because they can. It almost seems to me like asari culture is unrealistically effed up in this regard. Samara is her mother too, I just can't stress what a huge scum I think Samara is, she is easily one of my most hated video game characters of all time, well written one at that. 

[Wulfram]

Go seduce TIM?

[Forst1999]

KainD wrote...

The Morinth I know was so greatful to Shepard for getting rid of Samara for her, that she willingly went on a suicide mission to help out and haven't caused a single problem to the crew. 

Morinth joining the mission did not happen out of gratitute after helping her, Morinth offering this was the condition for Shepard killing her mother. Morinth then keeping her end of the bargain is just common sense on her part.

[CrutchCricket]

KainD wrote...
Because you don't lock up people before they have done something wrong just because they can. It almost seems to me like asari culture is unrealistically effed up in this regard. Samara is her mother too, I just can't stress what a huge scum I think Samara is, she is easily one of my most hated video game characters of all time, well written one at that. 

Uhm except Morinth has done "something". 400 years worth of "something". Where "something" is serial murder-rape. And Samara feels personally responsible for all that because she's the mother. The issue of filicide is debatable of course, but the only other option in this case is adding matricide to Morinth's crimes. There's no way to avert either by say, having Shepard kill one of them.

As for other ardat-yakshi, they aren't directly analagous to anything in real life. But that's another discussion.

[KainD]

Forst1999 wrote...

Morinth then keeping her end of the bargain is just common sense on her part.

That's not common sense if you are not grateful. She didn't have to go on the suicide mission.

[KainD]

CrutchCricket wrote...

As for other ardat-yakshi, they aren't directly analagous to anything in real life. But that's another discussion.

This is the main problem, and thus I make my own moral conclusions. I say Morinth could not have became a serial killer if she wasn't forced to live in seclusion and wasn't hunted to be killed when she ran away. 
She ran when she was 40 years old too, something like a 16 year old girl by human standards. No documents, no money, government wants you dead, you deal with underworld thugs etc.
One does not simply grow up as a carring person after that, she doesn't care for other peoples lives, and there is no logical reason for her to do so. 

[Forst1999]

KainD wrote...

Forst1999 wrote...

Morinth then keeping her end of the bargain is just common sense on her part.

That's not common sense if you are not grateful. She didn't have to go on the suicide mission.

If have trouble seeing a Shepard that killed a squadmate to get someone "more useful" letting Morinth go.

[CrutchCricket]

KainD wrote...
This is the main problem, and thus I make my own moral conclusions. I say Morinth could not have became a serial killer if she wasn't forced to live in seclusion and wasn't hunted to be killed when she ran away. 
She ran when she was 40 years old too, something like a 16 year old girl by human standards. No documents, no money, government wants you dead, you deal with underworld thugs etc.
One does not simply grow up as a carring person after that, she doesn't care for other peoples lives, and there is no logical reason for her to do so. 

No, that is tangential. But for the record:

"Addicted to the process of melding, Morinth chose to run,"- ME Wiki

She didn't run to make some statement or because she wanted freedom. She ran because she gave into her addiction, and continued to give into it for 400 years at the expense of countless innocents.

Morinth is no champion of the poor ardat-yakshi. She's a serial killer and rapist, pure and simple. And don't just cite "harsh childhood" and call it a day. Jack had it worse. She's done some **** as well but out of necessity, not out of perversion. And when Jack was offered a better way she took it. You can argue Morinth's path is not as well developed but I see no hint of Morinth searching for a better way, even if you save her. That's because they didn't do the same level of development for her character, but that's meta-thinking. In universe, Morinth has no excuse.

Ardat-Yakshi can't help being what they are. But they can choose not to give in to their darker sides. They can choose this via the monestary. If Morinth had ran and made even a token attempt at going clean in the outside world, you may have a case. But as it stands she's done nothing but revel in her lethal debauchery for four centuries and in the absense of any character development towards redemption she deserves to die.