The character is introduced murdering an unarmed merc in cold blood and proceeds to threaten to kill dozens of police officers. Maybe it's an American thing, but over here that is kinda a big deal.Why do you hate Samara in particular so much?
Modifié par AlexMBrennan, 08 avril 2013 - 08:53 .
It's not like we haven't killed police officers before, back on Noveria.AlexMBrennan wrote...
The character is introduced murdering an unarmed merc in cold blood and proceeds to threaten to kill dozens of police officers. Maybe it's an American thing, but over here that is kinda a big deal.Why do you hate Samara in particular so much?
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Xilizhra wrote...
It's not like we haven't killed police officers before, back on Noveria.AlexMBrennan wrote...
The character is introduced murdering an unarmed merc in cold blood and proceeds to threaten to kill dozens of police officers. Maybe it's an American thing, but over here that is kinda a big deal.Why do you hate Samara in particular so much?
Xilizhra wrote...
It's not like we haven't killed police officers before, back on Noveria.AlexMBrennan wrote...
The character is introduced murdering an unarmed merc in cold blood and proceeds to threaten to kill dozens of police officers. Maybe it's an American thing, but over here that is kinda a big deal.Why do you hate Samara in particular so much?
Argolas wrote...
I still geniuely hope that Samara is right and the Justicar order is no more after the war.
Argolas wrote...
It's just a video game so I say I don't like the Samara character anymore and that's it.
Yes, because a biotic is never armed if they don't have a weapon? It's kind of odd to hear that, since my adept ripped through the Clone plot, and never had ammo issues, even in the Sushi place. In fact, after doing Infiltrator, and Sentinel, the Adept seemed almost easy. She gave the merc every chance to save her own life, and she refused. Laying flat on her back, with a boot to her throat, her response was "Go to Hell". No sympathy from me. Tell me though, what weapons was the sculptor using on Morinth that justified her death?AlexMBrennan wrote...
The character is introduced murdering an unarmed merc in cold blood and proceeds to threaten to kill dozens of police officers. Maybe it's an American thing, but over here that is kinda a big deal.Why do you hate Samara in particular so much?
Maybe that's an American thing (with shows like 24 or NCIS basically resolving every other episode with "Threaten to send suspect to Guantanamo Bay") too, but over here we consider torture bad - basically, you are saying that the asari deserved death for not caving to torture.She gave the merc every chance to save her own life, and she refused. Laying flat on her back, with a boot to her throat, her response was "Go to Hell". No sympathy from me.
Well, strictly speaking, she has full legal rights to do so, and any police officers who tried to detain her would automatically be in the wrong. So it's not murder, per se. I don't like her action, but think of how Zaeed was introduced; we can't afford to be all that choosy if the people are useful.AlexMBrennan wrote...
Maybe that's an American thing (with shows like 24 or NCIS basically resolving every other episode with "Threaten to send suspect to Guantanamo Bay") too, but over here we consider torture bad - basically, you are saying that the asari deserved death for not caving to torture.She gave the merc every chance to save her own life, and she refused. Laying flat on her back, with a boot to her throat, her response was "Go to Hell". No sympathy from me.
And to be honest, people like you scare me.
Also, you kinda failed to address her willingness to murder police officers because herreligionCode says so.
Sounds like the plan to me.DWH1982 wrote...
She might end up on the Citadel, just due to galactic circumstances. I could see her sneaking in as part of one of the refugee groups. And then quietly going to work on some of the vulnerable - and therefore, easily exploited - refugees.
Those aren't police. They call it that, but they're agents of a PMC pushing people around for money on a world which is under private ownership. No state (and Noveria does not possess a state), no police.Xilizhra wrote...
It's not like we haven't killed police officers before, back on Noveria.
Maybe you watched a different cutscene than me, it sure seems like that happens quite frequently on BSN, but what you call torture, I saw a fight between two biotics, and the loser died. Unless, of course, you're going to state that if the merc had won, she'd have let Samara live? In Samara's place, I would have done exactly the same thing. Regarding the willingness to kill police, the police know full well what will happen if they try to detain a Justicar in the performance of her duty. It's not American culture in action here, it's Asari culture. While I don't appreciate your stereotype, I can understand that ignorance of the law sometimes is an excuse. To wit: you are ignorant of the law the Asari follow concerning Justicars, and instead of accepting that there is an alien culture at work, you go straight for "it's an American thing". The merc that dies killed someone to don that uniform. She is a criminal. If she chooses death over cooperation with a Justicar, then it's on nobody but her.AlexMBrennan wrote...
Maybe that's an American thing (with shows like 24 or NCIS basically resolving every other episode with "Threaten to send suspect to Guantanamo Bay") too, but over here we consider torture bad - basically, you are saying that the asari deserved death for not caving to torture.She gave the merc every chance to save her own life, and she refused. Laying flat on her back, with a boot to her throat, her response was "Go to Hell". No sympathy from me.
And to be honest, people like you scare me.
Also, you kinda failed to address her willingness to murder police officers because herreligionCode says so.
Megaton_Hope wrote...
Those aren't police. They call it that, but they're agents of a PMC pushing people around for money on a world which is under private ownership. No state (and Noveria does not possess a state), no police.Xilizhra wrote...
It's not like we haven't killed police officers before, back on Noveria.
MetioricTest wrote...
Well then murder is okay then!
Nah, we're not trespassing, we're even allowed to carry the guns we used to shoot 'em, since we're Spectres. Even Noveria recognizes Spectre status, which seemed a bit odd at the time, but you know, there are no flaws in ME 1's story telling...Indy_S wrote...
MetioricTest wrote...
Well then murder is okay then!
Oh no, it's self-defence! While trespassing!
robertthebard wrote...
Nah, we're not trespassing, we're even allowed to carry the guns we used to shoot 'em, since we're Spectres. Even Noveria recognizes Spectre status, which seemed a bit odd at the time, but you know, there are no flaws in ME 1's story telling...
That's a viable theory, and falls in line with what I told myself. It was, however, initially a "head scratcher" moment.Indy_S wrote...
robertthebard wrote...
Nah, we're not trespassing, we're even allowed to carry the guns we used to shoot 'em, since we're Spectres. Even Noveria recognizes Spectre status, which seemed a bit odd at the time, but you know, there are no flaws in ME 1's story telling...
I actually bought that. It seemed like Noveria was a place to get around Council laws but actually antagonising them by denying the Spectres would set off all sorts of flags. It's in the interest of Noveria to play along with the Spectres and guns are a part of that. Or at least, that's my theory on it.
Modifié par HagarIshay, 09 avril 2013 - 02:08 .
No - the merc was alive after the fight when Samara was interrogating her. Threatening her with death unless she reveals information is torture; killing an enemy who has surrendered is a war crime; and shooting a subdued intruder is no longer justifiable homocide but murder.I saw a fight between two biotics, and the loser died.
I was saying that i think that it is American culture (through constant exposire to "heroes" torturing left and right and such) that makes you OK with torture and casual murder of police officers.Regarding the willingness to kill police, the police know full well what will happen if they try to detain a Justicar in the performance of her duty. It's not American culture in action here, it's Asari culture
As I said, she knew the consequences for refusing to cooperate with a Justicar, and according to everything we here when we go looking for her, everyone knows what happens when you cross one. The merc is an Asari, she knows full well what's going to happen if she doesn't cooperate, and she chooses not to cooperate. This still ignores how the merc earned her uniform, which we are told before we ever go looking, if we talk to the Volus. In case you skip that conversation, they each have to commit a murder to earn the right to don the uniform. This means that they are all criminals.AlexMBrennan wrote...
No - the merc was alive after the fight when Samara was interrogating her. Threatening her with death unless she reveals information is torture; killing an enemy who has surrendered is a war crime; and shooting a subdued intruder is no longer justifiable homocide but murder.I saw a fight between two biotics, and the loser died.
I was saying that i think that it is American culture (through constant exposire to "heroes" torturing left and right and such) that makes you OK with torture and casual murder of police officers.Regarding the willingness to kill police, the police know full well what will happen if they try to detain a Justicar in the performance of her duty. It's not American culture in action here, it's Asari culture
Yes, there is an in-game explanation for that behaviour but the question was why I dislike Samara - she is written to be an religious extremist, and I have no more sympathy for her than, say, any random suicide bomber killing our troops in Afghanistan.
We also frown on summary executions. Ever heard of the Universal Declararion of Human Rights?In case you skip that conversation, they each have to commit a murder to earn the right to don the uniform
Everyone is entitled in full equality to a fair and public hearing by an independent and impartial tribunal, in the determination of his rights and obligations and of any criminal charge against him.
Xilizhra wrote...
Well, strictly speaking, she has full legal rights to do so, and any police officers who tried to detain her would automatically be in the wrong. So it's not murder, per se. I don't like her action, but think of how Zaeed was introduced; we can't afford to be all that choosy if the people are useful.AlexMBrennan wrote...
Maybe that's an American thing (with shows like 24 or NCIS basically resolving every other episode with "Threaten to send suspect to Guantanamo Bay") too, but over here we consider torture bad - basically, you are saying that the asari deserved death for not caving to torture.She gave the merc every chance to save her own life, and she refused. Laying flat on her back, with a boot to her throat, her response was "Go to Hell". No sympathy from me.
And to be honest, people like you scare me.
Also, you kinda failed to address her willingness to murder police officers because herreligionCode says so.
AlexMBrennan wrote...
Maybe that's an American thing (with shows like 24 or NCIS basically resolving every other episode with "Threaten to send suspect to Guantanamo Bay") too, but over here we consider torture bad - basically, you are saying that the asari deserved death for not caving to torture.
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