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[MetioricTest]

Does anyone else wonder what else might have hidden away?

Could be like a whole thriving hidden commiuty from 340,000 years ago that escaped the Reaper harvesting and populated a planet in the middle of nowhere. Undectable, waiting for their moment to return.

[Warden24]

Something else to take into account would be the fact that not all Mass Relays have been activated... could be anything beyond them.

Also, if you look closely on the galaxy map, you can clearly see dozens of other galaxies in the background... perhaps that's just Bioware taking some artistic license, but if not then...

[Megaton_Hope]

Space is full of galaxies.

The whole Reaper deal is only concerned with the one, though. I mean, Andromeda's really pretty far away.

[DWH1982]

We assume the Reapers never tried to make it to any other galaxies.

Their (twisted) goal was to preserve organic life. There were no instructions to limit to the Milky Way, at least that we know of. And it's possible there could be organic life in other galaxies...

[Auld Wulf]

This is one of my main arguments for keeping the Reapers around. Either under the control of Shepard, or (yay) as free-willed entities. The fact of the matter is is that there's a lot of danger out there, and the leviathans would be the tip of the iceberg.

Destroying the Reapers could be sending a "FEEDING TIME!" signal to anyone who remained hidden because of them. The council races might somehow pull war #1 out of their arse with depleted resources, but wars #2, #3, #4, #5, and so on? With opponents as powerful as the Reapers?

That's why I see Destroy as a doomed galaxy. It's a depressing thing. Destroy is a death sentence for everyone.

[Vortex13]

Really makes me question the 'thorough-ness" of the Catalyst and his 'solution'.

So the Reapers are supposed to wipe the galaxy clean of advanced life and remove all traces of their existence, and yet we have them missing Illos, Javik, the Thessia VI and the Prothean Beacons; things only from one cycle ago. Seems VERY sloppy for that much stuff to leak through in ONE cycle.
Not to mention the Leviathans and the Crucible plans; plans that the Catalyst was aware of for several cycles.

Okay, maybe the Catalyst had a bad cycle with the Protheans, and I will give it the benefit of the doubt and say that maybe he thought the Leviathans were eliminated. But to have plans that it was aware of for several; meaning plural, as in more than one; cycles 'leak' through the harvests really makes him and his minions out to be really, really, really bad at their jobs.

Why didn't the Catalyst, after noticing the Crucible plans a second time, not do a hard reset on the galaxy? "Hey guys, here is the same plans we saw last cycle, it looks like this slipped through. So instead of retreating back into dark space after this harvest, we are going to stay here. Call the next cycle a bust."

" Harvest a primitive species if you have too, but we are going to prevent this breech of protocal from proceeding any further, after all we're going to harvest the next cycle anyway, so one premature harvest in order to remove any potential flaws in my 'solution is acceptable."

Seriously, if the Catalyst was as 'all knowing' and 'synthetics will wipe out all organics, it is inevitable' as he claimed to be, then we never should have found the Crucible plans in the first place.

[mass perfection]

Auld Wulf wrote...

This is one of my main arguments for keeping the Reapers around. Either under the control of Shepard, or (yay) as free-willed entities. The fact of the matter is is that there's a lot of danger out there, and the leviathans would be the tip of the iceberg.

Destroying the Reapers could be sending a "FEEDING TIME!" signal to anyone who remained hidden because of them. The council races might somehow pull war #1 out of their arse with depleted resources, but wars #2, #3, #4, #5, and so on? With opponents as powerful as the Reapers?

That's why I see Destroy as a doomed galaxy. It's a depressing thing. Destroy is a death sentence for everyone.

Are you talking about the Beings of Light Theory?

[Wayning_Star]

Vortex13 wrote...

Really makes me question the 'thorough-ness" of the Catalyst and his 'solution'.

So the Reapers are supposed to wipe the galaxy clean of advanced life and remove all traces of their existence, and yet we have them missing Illos, Javik, the Thessia VI and the Prothean Beacons; things only from one cycle ago. Seems VERY sloppy for that much stuff to leak through in ONE cycle.
Not to mention the Leviathans and the Crucible plans; plans that the Catalyst was aware of for several cycles.

Okay, maybe the Catalyst had a bad cycle with the Protheans, and I will give it the benefit of the doubt and say that maybe he thought the Leviathans were eliminated. But to have plans that it was aware of for several; meaning plural, as in more than one; cycles 'leak' through the harvests really makes him and his minions out to be really, really, really bad at their jobs.

Why didn't the Catalyst, after noticing the Crucible plans a second time, not do a hard reset on the galaxy? "Hey guys, here is the same plans we saw last cycle, it looks like this slipped through. So instead of retreating back into dark space after this harvest, we are going to stay here. Call the next cycle a bust."

" Harvest a primitive species if you have too, but we are going to prevent this breech of protocal from proceeding any further, after all we're going to harvest the next cycle anyway, so one premature harvest in order to remove any potential flaws in my 'solution is acceptable."

Seriously, if the Catalyst was as 'all knowing' and 'synthetics will wipe out all organics, it is inevitable' as he claimed to be, then we never should have found the Crucible plans in the first place.

Well, the Levi are still around, maybe they had something to do with the crucible blueprints? It would seem strange that the catalyst didn't just wipe out all organic life if it thought they were doomed to technological over load. But it's programming is from an organic system of intellect. That's it's core program, apparently. Organics aren't too thrilled with its methods, nor are synthetics, as they're harvested as well, and not for their stored intelligence. Only for hard ware/parts. Another 'link' with organic creators? (so what they're smarter phones, we can always build more of 'em...?)

[Wayning_Star]

mass perfection wrote...

Auld Wulf wrote...

This is one of my main arguments for keeping the Reapers around. Either under the control of Shepard, or (yay) as free-willed entities. The fact of the matter is is that there's a lot of danger out there, and the leviathans would be the tip of the iceberg.

Destroying the Reapers could be sending a "FEEDING TIME!" signal to anyone who remained hidden because of them. The council races might somehow pull war #1 out of their arse with depleted resources, but wars #2, #3, #4, #5, and so on? With opponents as powerful as the Reapers?

That's why I see Destroy as a doomed galaxy. It's a depressing thing. Destroy is a death sentence for everyone.

Are you talking about the Beings of Light Theory?

Sleeping Leviathan have awoken? (not exactly equal opportunity employers..not employers at all..)

[mass perfection]

It's hard to imagine the Reapers having Mass Relays in every part of the galaxy that has planets that support intelligent life.

[mass perfection]

Wayning_Star wrote...

mass perfection wrote...

Auld Wulf wrote...

This is one of my main arguments for keeping the Reapers around. Either under the control of Shepard, or (yay) as free-willed entities. The fact of the matter is is that there's a lot of danger out there, and the leviathans would be the tip of the iceberg.

Destroying the Reapers could be sending a "FEEDING TIME!" signal to anyone who remained hidden because of them. The council races might somehow pull war #1 out of their arse with depleted resources, but wars #2, #3, #4, #5, and so on? With opponents as powerful as the Reapers?

That's why I see Destroy as a doomed galaxy. It's a depressing thing. Destroy is a death sentence for everyone.

Are you talking about the Beings of Light Theory?

Sleeping Leviathan have awoken? (not exactly equal opportunity employers..not employers at all..)

What?

[Wayning_Star]

mass perfection wrote...

It's hard to imagine the Reapers having Mass Relays in every part of the galaxy that has planets that support intelligent life.

The Levi had thralls about everywhere, and they're what the catalyst used to upend the Leviathan. I've always wondered, as others, where those uncharted/locked relays end up..

[Wayning_Star]

mass perfection wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

mass perfection wrote...

Auld Wulf wrote...

This is one of my main arguments for keeping the Reapers around. Either under the control of Shepard, or (yay) as free-willed entities. The fact of the matter is is that there's a lot of danger out there, and the leviathans would be the tip of the iceberg.

Destroying the Reapers could be sending a "FEEDING TIME!" signal to anyone who remained hidden because of them. The council races might somehow pull war #1 out of their arse with depleted resources, but wars #2, #3, #4, #5, and so on? With opponents as powerful as the Reapers?

That's why I see Destroy as a doomed galaxy. It's a depressing thing. Destroy is a death sentence for everyone.

Are you talking about the Beings of Light Theory?

Sleeping Leviathan have awoken? (not exactly equal opportunity employers..not employers at all..)

What?

Destroy opens the door for Levi to make a come back. The MEU, after the crucible detonation, would not have the where with all to deal/defend against them and their thrall network. The Alliance has no idea, nor the council, as to where and who are indoctrinated by the Leviathan.

Destroy removes their only predator...

Modifié par Wayning_Star, 08 avril 2013 - 03:08 .

[k.lalh]

It's stated that only about 1% of the galaxy is explored, so why not?

[Wayning_Star]

k.lalh wrote...

It's stated that only about 1% of the galaxy is explored, so why not?

I wonder how they came up with that figure. Considering the apex ness of the Levi. They claimed that space was just another of their tools..until the intelligence went all catalyst on them..that is.

[Auld Wulf]

Wayning made my point for me. Space is an ecosystem, like any other. You'll have predators that want to hunt/control you, and predators which are more magnanimous towards you and seek other prey. Creatures like the leviathans are the former, in Synthesis (and hopefully Control) the Reapers are the latter. With nothing like the Reapers in place, the leviathan creatures are free to hunt.

It's a free range human buffet in Destroytown.

[Megaton_Hope]

DWH1982 wrote...

We assume the Reapers never tried to make it to any other galaxies.

Their (twisted) goal was to preserve organic life. There were no instructions to limit to the Milky Way, at least that we know of. And it's possible there could be organic life in other galaxies...

I'm not a Reaper, but flying at full speed for 232 years to reach the edge of the Andromeda galaxy sounds like almost as much of a drag as spending 50,000 years dormant in dark space does.

[Yestare7]

Auld Wulf wrote...

This is one of my main arguments for keeping the Reapers around. Either under the control of Shepard, or (yay) as free-willed entities. The fact of the matter is is that there's a lot of danger out there, and the leviathans would be the tip of the iceberg.

Destroying the Reapers could be sending a "FEEDING TIME!" signal to anyone who remained hidden because of them. The council races might somehow pull war #1 out of their arse with depleted resources, but wars #2, #3, #4, #5, and so on? With opponents as powerful as the Reapers?

That's why I see Destroy as a doomed galaxy. It's a depressing thing. Destroy is a death sentence for everyone.

you must be getting old, there's not even an insult in there:)

[MetioricTest]

Warden24 wrote...

Something else to take into account would be the fact that not all Mass Relays have been activated... could be anything beyond them.

Also, if you look closely on the galaxy map, you can clearly see dozens of other galaxies in the background... perhaps that's just Bioware taking some artistic license, but if not then...

I've often wondered about this (I even made a topic about it a while ago)

If the Catalyst's logic is steadfast that a technological singualrity is inevitable and Organic life will be wiped out... Doesn't that mean that somewhere else in the universe that's probably already happened and it's only a matter of time before these synthetics reach us?

I mean It's a bit odd if the Milky Way is so populated but no where else in the universe is

[Majin Paul]

I think it's possible, my headcanon simply involves a special section being founded that deals with the stuff like that, finding more possible living Prothean, the Leviathan, etc.

[Nelatherion]

I always assumed that the Leviathans were responsible for the crucible surviving, keeping the Reapers off the trail and leading the survivors to the plans (at least in the last cycles).

[.50CalBrainSurgeon]

One has to wonder how many Leviathans are left anyways? If there were enough for a post-Reaper war galactic conquest, there would definitely have been more sightings and documentations in canon. But given their rarity, I suspect that there are only a few Leviathans left.

If they have remained hidden for multiple cycles, one might ask why did they not rebuild up a "thrall army" to combat their Reaper counterparts in between invasion cycles. The Reapers are dormant during that time, and 50,000 is a lot of time to prepare for such a threat especially if the Leviathans are the ones doing the "preparing."

IMO the destroy ending is still acceptable because it eliminates the the AI starchild synthetic's "final solution" against organics including the Leviathans. The starchild's past solutions turned the Leviathans into Reapers, and there doesn't seem to be enough Leviathans left to reconquer the galaxy. Additionally, the Normandy's crew would no doubt inform others of their encounters with those creatures. Just some food for thought.

[Wolfva2]

Vortex13 wrote...
Seriously, if the Catalyst was as 'all knowing' and 'synthetics will wipe out all organics, it is inevitable' as he claimed to be, then we never should have found the Crucible plans in the first place.

It's a freaking computer program, not God.  Sheesh.  

Oh, and when someone says, "I am all knowing and all powerful!!!"  odds are pretty good theyr'e also delusional.  II swear, I really don't understand people that keep saying, "Well, so and so said...." as if so and so is infallible or something.  Heck, you can program a tandy 64 to think that it is the ruler of the galaxy, and it'll spout that it is.  But is it?  Nope.  GIGO applies.

To the OP: yeah, I'd say it's highly possible a race escaped the harvest.  Find a nice, out of the way planet; land on it, get rid of ALL tech, hunker down and hope the Reapers don't notice you.  If it's a low metal planet, then you probably never have to worry about your descendants building tech that'll get the Reapers attention.  Of course, you'd also skip the attention of just about everyone else, until someone just happens to trip over your non-artificial radio signal emitting planet.

[StarcloudSWG]

The Reapers 'missing' so many Prothean Beacons was deliberate.

They knew the Beacons were there. Remember, part of their Cycle is making sure races advance along the same technology tree every time, so they made *sure* that Prothean technology was left behind for new races to discover, reverse-engineer, and build on.

Just like they left remnants of the Inusannon for the Protheans to discover.

[KaiserShep]

I saw leaving the beacons behind as an oversight, not deliberate. From the first beacon onward, they've only proven to be a liability to the reapers' plans. The first beacon gave Shepard the warning that lead her & co. to Ilos, the Conduit, and Sovereign's destruction. If not for the beacons, no one would have known about the reapers until it was too late.