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[auragon132]

Kind of a vague question I had my entire Mass Effect expierence, does anyone believe that it existed in the first place or is my speculation wrong. If it does exist what is it true identity is it? 

[Phatose]

Course it exists. It's pretty big too. Like, as in you get an apartment on the thing in the last DLC. Not really something you can miss.

[Ledgend1221]

IT.

[auragon132]

Phatose wrote...

Course it exists. It's pretty big too. Like, as in you get an apartment on the thing in the last DLC. Not really something you can miss.

...Come on  

[AlanC9]

Yep, it exists. The final scenes are real.

[Dendio1]

AlanC9 wrote...

Yep, it exists. The final scenes are real.

Why wouldn't they be real?

[auragon132]

I forgot. BSN has to many trolls should had thought before I posted.

[Phatose]

auragon132 wrote...

Phatose wrote...

Course it exists. It's pretty big too. Like, as in you get an apartment on the thing in the last DLC. Not really something you can miss.

...Come on  

Dude, our level of certainty that it exists is exactly the same as our level of certainty for everything else that happens in the entire series.

You can say it was a hallucination if you like, and I can say the entire series was a dream Ashley had one day when she was a child.  But nobody's gonna take either of us seriously if we do.

[MetioricTest]

Leviathan DLC pretty much blitzes the IT

[Dendio1]

auragon132 wrote...

Kind of a vague question I had my entire Mass Effect expierence, does anyone believe that it existed in the first place or is my speculation wrong. If it does exist what is it true identity is it? 

The catalyst is a synthetic made by the leviathans and tasked to find a solution to the inevitable conflict between organics and synthetics

[Dendio1]

Phatose wrote...

auragon132 wrote...

Phatose wrote...

Course it exists. It's pretty big too. Like, as in you get an apartment on the thing in the last DLC. Not really something you can miss.

...Come on  

Dude, our level of certainty that it exists is exactly the same as our level of certainty for everything else that happens in the entire series.

You can say it was a hallucination if you like, and I can say the entire series was a dream Ashley had one day when she was a child.  But nobody's gonna take either of us seriously if we do.

Ready to have you mind blown? The entire series was a fictional story, roleplayed by millions across the world.

[Phatose]

Dendio1 wrote...

Phatose wrote...

auragon132 wrote...

Phatose wrote...

Course it exists. It's pretty big too. Like, as in you get an apartment on the thing in the last DLC. Not really something you can miss.

...Come on  

Dude, our level of certainty that it exists is exactly the same as our level of certainty for everything else that happens in the entire series.

You can say it was a hallucination if you like, and I can say the entire series was a dream Ashley had one day when she was a child.  But nobody's gonna take either of us seriously if we do.

Ready to have you mind blown? The entire series was a fictional story, roleplayed by millions across the world.

So is BSN.

[auragon132]

Dendio1 wrote...

auragon132 wrote...

Kind of a vague question I had my entire Mass Effect expierence, does anyone believe that it existed in the first place or is my speculation wrong. If it does exist what is it true identity is it? 

The catalyst is a synthetic made by the leviathans and tasked to find a solution to the inevitable conflict between organics and synthetics

Makes me wonder why it was in the image of the child then.

[Dendio1]

auragon132 wrote...

Dendio1 wrote...

auragon132 wrote...

Kind of a vague question I had my entire Mass Effect expierence, does anyone believe that it existed in the first place or is my speculation wrong. If it does exist what is it true identity is it? 

The catalyst is a synthetic made by the leviathans and tasked to find a solution to the inevitable conflict between organics and synthetics

Makes me wonder why it was in the image of the child then.

The catalyst communicates telepathically. It got in shepards head, found the image of the kid, then used it as a way of presenting itself. The images of the illusive man and anderson at the controls are also telepathically communicated images.

The leviathans also have this ability. It stands to reason that they would find a way to allow their AI creation to "speak" using their methods.

Modifié par Dendio1, 07 avril 2013 - 10:26 .

[SilJeff]

edit: ninja'd

Modifié par SilJeff, 07 avril 2013 - 10:22 .

[DWH1982]

Eh. Not a big fan of the catalyst, but here's how I view the final scenes:

The catalyst exists. It's real. But it's using some sort of mind interface to communicate with Shepard.

So, technically, everything that happens once Shepard reaches the terminal is in his head. Despite being in his head, the conversation is still "real" though, insomuch as it's being directed by a being who really exists, and is creating images in Shepard's head to help illustrate what he is talking about.

The choices work the same way. They're real, and they do what the Catalyst says they'll do when Shepard picks them. However, just as the Catalyst is interfacing with Shepard's mind, Shepard is also interfacing with the Crucible controls through his mind. So, if he, for example, picks destroy, he's not literally shooting some pipes - those are just a representation of the destroy option within his mind.

The Catalyst opts to show up as the boy in Shepard's head because the boy dying clearly had an impact on Shepard, and Catalyst picks up on that as he's rummaging through Shepard's brain.

Modifié par DWH1982, 07 avril 2013 - 10:23 .

[Ticonderoga117]

Both the first and second games say "no" in big bold letters with neon lights.

[auragon132]

The catalyst communicates telepathically. It got in shepards head, found the image of the kid, then used it as a way of presenting itself. The images of the illusive man and TIM at the controls are also telepathically communicated images.

The leviathans also have this ability. It stands to reason that they would find a way to allow their AI creation to "speak" using their methods.

The way I understand it is the kid was a indoctination attempt to make Shepard do the wrong thing control or synthesis beckoning to the Repears will as destroy was the Leviathans "mind controlling" the repears for even the option to destory them, seems all likely in my head. 

[Dendio1]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

Both the first and second games say "no" in big bold letters with neon lights.

shepard doesnt know any better until he meets the leviathans. Just like he didn't know what quarian was like until that time in me2 with tali

[Dendio1]

auragon132 wrote...

The catalyst communicates telepathically. It got in shepards head, found the image of the kid, then used it as a way of presenting itself. The images of the illusive man and TIM at the controls are also telepathically communicated images.

The leviathans also have this ability. It stands to reason that they would find a way to allow their AI creation to "speak" using their methods.

The way I understand it is the kid was a indoctination attempt to make Shepard do the wrong thing control or synthesis beckoning to the Repears will as destroy was the Leviathans "mind controlling" the repears for even the option to destory them, seems all likely in my head. 

Indoctrination is applied primarily through force, not trickery. TIM, Saren, Benezia...all were violently forced into submission by their indoctrination. Furthermore, why give choices at all? Shepard was defeated and clueless.

If the catalyst is lying then shepard is screwed no matter what he chooses. If the catalyst is telling the truth, then we have to take the extended cut at face value.

[arial]

I find it funny how people have been trying to bring up IT, Without mentioning IT...

good effort OP...


Catalyst is real, it was not a dream, not a hallucination, it happened and Shepard was not Indoctrinated.

IT = False

[Ticonderoga117]

Dendio1 wrote...

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

Both the first and second games say "no" in big bold letters with neon lights.

shepard doesnt know any better until he meets the leviathans. Just like he didn't know what quarian was like until that time in me2 with tali

Sovereign and Harbinger show otherwise.

[Dendio1]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

Dendio1 wrote...

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

Both the first and second games say "no" in big bold letters with neon lights.

shepard doesnt know any better until he meets the leviathans. Just like he didn't know what quarian was like until that time in me2 with tali

Sovereign and Harbinger show otherwise.

I consider it more of a " I never told you because, you never asked" sort of deal

[AlanC9]

Dendio1 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Yep, it exists. The final scenes are real.

Why wouldn't they be real?

Ask the OP.

[AlanC9]

DWH1982 wrote...

Eh. Not a big fan of the catalyst, but here's how I view the final scenes:

The catalyst exists. It's real. But it's using some sort of mind interface to communicate with Shepard.

So, technically, everything that happens once Shepard reaches the terminal is in his head. Despite being in his head, the conversation is still "real" though, insomuch as it's being directed by a being who really exists, and is creating images in Shepard's head to help illustrate what he is talking about.

The choices work the same way. They're real, and they do what the Catalyst says they'll do when Shepard picks them. However, just as the Catalyst is interfacing with Shepard's mind, Shepard is also interfacing with the Crucible controls through his mind. So, if he, for example, picks destroy, he's not literally shooting some pipes - those are just a representation of the destroy option within his mind.

The Catalyst opts to show up as the boy in Shepard's head because the boy dying clearly had an impact on Shepard, and Catalyst picks up on that as he's rummaging through Shepard's brain.

The only issue I have with this interpretation is Shepard riding up on the elevator. If Shepard's unconscious, whose POV is that from? I suppose we can work around it by saying that Shep's semiconscious