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[KingZayd]

remydat wrote...

Aaleel wrote...

@ remydat

You did not create a weapon to kill all synthetics, you created a weapon to kill reapers. Finding out there was going to be collateral damage at the last moment does not mean you dislike all synthetics. You may have a point if I would have made a different choice if the collateral damage were organic, but I wouldn't have.

Synthesis doesn't leave people to work things out for themselves. You're forcing change on everyone who knows about synthetics as well as any race who has yet to even find a relay because you're saying they're incapable of having peace as is. And the fact that you would write anything about someone being consulted about something in your post and then talk synthesis is comical.

You're trying to make it seem like anyone who picked destroy hated all synthetics or intended on targeting all synthetics when building the crucible which is patently false.

There will be more synthetics in the future and I (my Shepard) feels that we'll be fine getting along on our own as long as the reaper influence is gone.

Shep doesn't know this because he did not design the Crucible.  Do you honestly think all the organic races that worked on it over all these millions of years did not know it would kill all synthetics?  You are being naive.  It is likely the people who designed and developed it understood it could possible kill synthetics.  They just didn't care.  What organic race in the game cares about synthetics prior to Shepard?  You think the Protheans cared if it killed all synthetics.

And saying you do the same if it killed organics is hard to believe.  Refuse would be more humane beause the Reapers would only reap advanced organics leaving the non-advanced organics alone.  So be honest here, if it killed organics you would not choose to wipe out ALL advanced and non-advanced organic life just so synthetics could live.

No I am forcing change on everyone EQUALLY because the alternative is prejudicially deciding to exterminate the very group I claim to want to co-exist with.  It is illogical.  Did you consult synthetics when you pick destroy.  The fact is some people will like synthesis and some will not.  Joker might like not having to worry about breaking a bone from a simply hug.  In any event, whether they agree or disagree they can tell me about it.  I suppose you are lucky because the people who disagree with Destroy aside from Joker due to EDI are all dead so you don't have to be confronted you forcing that decision on them.

No I said it is a Reaper like decision.  The Reapers don't hate organics.  They do what they do because they deem it necessary.  That is what you did.  All you are saying here is you don't want to decide for organics that they should accept synthesis so instead you decided for synthetics they must be eradicated.  You have a prejudice towards not want to make decision for organics but are fully willing to make decisions for synthetics.

So make no mistake, all the choices require you to impose your will on someone.  In Synthetics and Control you impose your will on EVERYONE equally and they all live to tell you whether they agree or disagree with you.  In Destroy you impose your will on Synthetics and any organics who would have preferred synthetics live (Joker and Quarians like say Koris) but you have the luxury of having killed just about everyone who would disagreed with you, lol.

How many of these cycles knew that the Reapers weren't just AIs?
How many other non-hostile synthetic races were the previous cycles aware of?
If all the Synthetics you're aware of are trying to kill you, why wouldn't you create an anti-synthetic weapon?

Also you claim that all these cycles would have been aware all Synthetics would be destroyed. Why didn't anyone question the purpose of a Synthesis function on an anti-Reaper weapon?

[KingZayd]

remydat wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Quote for truth. I would sacrifice the whole cycle to stop the reapers. Why? Because it frees potentially limitless future cycles. And synthesis is what the reapers want. It either brainwashes people to make peace, or it doesn't make peace. There is no other option.

You are not just sacrificing the whole cycle.  You are sacrificing all organic life which includes the primitive races.  Where is the limitless potential if all organic life is dead?

Sorry guys, you can say what you want but there is no logical reason if Destroy killed all organics that you would pick it.  You would be killing all advanced and primitive organics in the entire galaxy.  You only hope for organic life then would be if a planet somehow recreated it from stratch which takes millions if not billions of years or if synthetics appreciate your sacrifice so much that they speed up the millions or billions of years it takes to create organic races.  Only problem is why would they.  We offer no technological advantage really and we will potentially start wars with them.

So let's just be honest.  You choose Destroy because you are fine with killing synthetic life.  Not a big deal, it is what is is.  Trying to pretend you would do the same if it was organics is just silly.

Again what logic is this.  Nope can't let organics live with the benefits and cons of synthesis or control so I will wipe them out and hope that in a million or a billion years evolution will create them again, lol.

Surely if the synthetics can develop into a singularity, then that's pretty much the definition of "limitless potential"? But of course the bigots are so opposed to the idea of synthetics achieving their potential. They want to keep them down.

Also, there is a lack of strong evidence that Synthetics would wipe out all organic life.

Modifié par KingZayd, 10 avril 2013 - 02:18 .

[Arl Raylen]

Destroy -- it's what I've wanted to do ever since I heard Sovereign give me his spiel.

[NightAntilli]

Control...

- I didn't want to destroy the geth and EDI

- If I take control of the reapers, they could be used for rebuilding, which was definitely needed

- Synthesis would end evolution which is the essence of (organic) life itself.

- I'm not so closed-minded that I need to keep believing the reapers were built for pure senseless evil and that they are something that I have to hate and destroy at any cost. I always suspected the reapers had some 'benevolent intention'.

- I'm not arrogant enough to believe that my perspective of a few decades supersedes one of a being that has existed for millennia, whether it's trustworthy or not. Besides, if the catalyst wasn't trustworthy, it wouldn't tell you how to destroy the reapers anyway. He'd tell you that synthesis is destroy, so that when you pick destroy, synthesis actually happens.

- I'm not stubborn enough to say 'this is what I came to do, so I'll do it no matter what', especially in the face of new information. When the variables change, so should your perspective, if you claim to be a logical thinker. Otherwise you're just following your emtions and ego, which is not me. 

- After the Leviathan DLC I got another reason, which is that destroy would give the Leviathans free reign to take over the galaxy. Although I have always chosen control over the other two, this is probably the best reason to choose control, so that you are able to defend yourself against them.

Modifié par NightAntilli, 10 avril 2013 - 06:16 .

[remydat]

KingZayd wrote...

How many of these cycles knew that the Reapers weren't just AIs?
How many other non-hostile synthetic races were the previous cycles aware of?
If all the Synthetics you're aware of are trying to kill you, why wouldn't you create an anti-synthetic weapon?

Also you claim that all these cycles would have been aware all Synthetics would be destroyed. Why didn't anyone question the purpose of a Synthesis function on an anti-Reaper weapon?

No one knows what the other cycles knew because the game doesn't tell us.  We are simply speculating.  And my orginal discussion was from the perspecitve of an advanced AI being created post Destroy and after Shepard lied and said Destroy was the only option he had.  That is what the poster I was discussing said.

If I were an Advanced AI created after Destroy.  I would conclude that the Crucible built by organics over millions of years was built with organics knowing it could kill synthetics.  Why would I believe otherwise when Shep told everyone Destroy was the only option?  Why would I believe otherwise when organics have killed every AI race they created?  Once I learn about the Reaper conflict and once I learn all synthetics before me were killed by organics why would I not conclude organics will never fully trust or respect a synthetic race?  In that scenario, your choosing Destroy and lying that the other options did not exist ends up creating the reason for that Advanced AI to  try to exterminate all organics.  Except this time a cycle survived the harvest and so this AI is far more advanced and thus more dangerous than the Geth.

So I have know idea what the previous cycles knew.  I was speaking based on the hypothetical presented and from the perspective of the AI that learns that organics wiped out all synthetic life to save themselves.

KingZayd wrote...

Surely if the synthetics can develop into a singularity, then that's pretty much the definition of "limitless potential"? But of course the bigots are so opposed to the idea of synthetics achieving their potential. They want to keep them down.

Also, there is a lack of strong evidence that Synthetics would wipe out all organic life.

Yes for synthetics.  But again, the poster I responded to was arguing they would wipe out all organic life if that was the choice to allow the galaxy a future with limitless potential.  I simply pointed out it takes the galaxy millions if not billions of years to create sentient organic life so destroying them now and hoping the Galaxy creates more sentient organic life in billions of years is a bit silly.  It took Earth around 4-5 billion years to create humans.  If it takes that long again then the Sun would be a Red Giant by thing and the Earth will be a fiery hell as the diameter of the Sun expands.

As for the lack of strong evidence.  See above.  No cycle has survived the harvest.  Now that they have they will continue to advance and they may create a more advanced synthetic race.  The Geth were babies in terms of a true AI.  Hell when they got the RC, they were ripping through the Quarians.   Imagine an advanced AI born with the equivalent of RC because the organics that created them are more advanced.  Imagine it then finding out you exterminated all synthetic live to save organics.  All of this is just speculation of course but that is the ultimate risk with Destroy.  You basically proved to any future AI race that you are a threat to them so much so that you may have even eradicated the Geth after peace was achieved just to save organics.

Modifié par remydat, 10 avril 2013 - 02:47 .

[Davik Kang]

Destroy - I got this feeling that the Child was trying to indoctrinate me, partly because the other 2 seemed too good to be true; and they were not really fitting of Shepard (a soldier, not a politician or God) so went with the original plan.

[KingZayd]

remydat wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

How many of these cycles knew that the Reapers weren't just AIs?
How many other non-hostile synthetic races were the previous cycles aware of?
If all the Synthetics you're aware of are trying to kill you, why wouldn't you create an anti-synthetic weapon?

Also you claim that all these cycles would have been aware all Synthetics would be destroyed. Why didn't anyone question the purpose of a Synthesis function on an anti-Reaper weapon?

No one knows what the other cycles knew because the game doesn't tell us.  We are simply speculating.  And my orginal discussion was from the perspecitve of an advanced AI being created post Destroy and after Shepard lied and said Destroy was the only option he had.  That is what the poster I was discussing said.

If I were an Advanced AI created after Destroy.  I would conclude that the Crucible built by organics over millions of years was built with organics knowing it could kill synthetics.  Why would I believe otherwise when Shep told everyone Destroy was the only option?  Why would I believe otherwise when organics have killed every AI race they created?  Once I learn about the Reaper conflict and once I learn all synthetics before me were killed by organics why would I not conclude organics will never fully trust or respect a synthetic race?  In that scenario, your choosing Destroy and lying that the other options did not exist ends up creating the reason for that Advanced AI to  try to exterminate all organics.  Except this time a cycle survived the harvest and so this AI is far more advanced and thus more dangerous than the Geth.

So I have know idea what the previous cycles knew.  I was speaking based on the hypothetical presented and from the perspective of the AI that learns that organics wiped out all synthetic life to save themselves.

KingZayd wrote...

Surely if the synthetics can develop into a singularity, then that's pretty much the definition of "limitless potential"? But of course the bigots are so opposed to the idea of synthetics achieving their potential. They want to keep them down.

Also, there is a lack of strong evidence that Synthetics would wipe out all organic life.

Yes for synthetics.  But again, the poster I responded to was arguing they would wipe out all organic life if that was the choice to allow the galaxy a future with limitless potential.  I simply pointed out it takes the galaxy millions if not billions of years to create sentient organic life so destroying them now and hoping the Galaxy creates more sentient organic life in billions of years is a bit silly.  It took Earth around 4-5 billion years to create humans.  If it takes that long again then the Sun would be a Red Giant by thing and the Earth will be a fiery hell as the diameter of the Sun expands.

As for the lack of strong evidence.  See above.  No cycle has survived the harvest.  Now that they have they will continue to advance and they may create a more advanced synthetic race.  The Geth were babies in terms of a true AI.  Hell when they got the RC, they were ripping through the Quarians.   Imagine an advanced AI born with the equivalent of RC because the organics that created them are more advanced.  Imagine it then finding out you exterminated all synthetic live to save organics.  All of this is just speculation of course but that is the ultimate risk with Destroy.  You basically proved to any future AI race that you are a threat to them so much so that you may have even eradicated the Geth after peace was achieved just to save organics.

But Organics have not destroyed every AI race ever created. The Reapers have destroyed most of them. And if they and the Leviathan are to be believed, AI races have destroyed more Organic races than Organic races have destroyed AI races.

Your billion years idea is flawed. Earth is one planet. It took billions of years for 1 planet. The galaxy is huge. For Organic life to emerge again there's no reason why it would take billions of years again.

There's evidence that AI races might be capable of destroying a bunch of Organics. There is no motivation. No evidence that they would want to destroy all Organic life. The records would show that the Geth worked on the Crucible? Are you saying the Synthetics would suspect the Geth of intentionally wiping themselves out? Give those future "more advanced" synthetics some credit. They are not idiots. If the Stargazer knows about how clueless everyone was when it came to the Crucible, then there's no reason the advanced synthetics wouldn't either.

[xxskyshadowxx]

My initial choice was Synthesis. My reason for choosing it was that the horribly botched narrative tore me completely out of immersion in the game, and so I just picked the path straight ahead. When EC came out I chose Synthesis again to see if the extra scenes canged my mind about the outcome.

Now I just play past Horizon and end the game with the Citadel DLC.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

One thing that always bugged me about Glow Boy was his "Without us synthetics will destroy all organics." bit.

When the two cases we have direct evidence for don't match up at all.

The Protheans were winning the Metacon war before the reapers showed up to kill everyone.

The Quarians would have curbstomped the geth without reaper intervention.

It seems like the actual course of events looks a little more like this.

1. Organics build synthetics
2. Synthetics rebel
3. Long bitter war
4. Organics start winning
5. Reapers come in and kill everyone.

Removing the Reapers from the equation would make things look a little different.

4. Organics turn the tide
5. Organics victorious
6. Rinse
7. Repeat

[dani1138]

Catalyst: Without us, synthetics will always destroy organics.
*Runs off to find Geth*
Catalyst: Here, have some upgrades! And some cake! Now go kill!
*Runs back*
Catalyst: SEE?????
Shepard: But you just interfered in the conflict and made it more likely-
Catalyst: It is inevitable.
Shepard: But how can you say they'll always destroy us when they don't even want anything to do with us until-
Catalyst: INEVITABLE.
Shepard: That's it, I'm shooting the tube.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

dani1138 wrote...

Catalyst: Without us, synthetics will always destroy organics.
*Runs off to find Geth*
Catalyst: Here, have some upgrades! And some cake! Now go kill!
*Runs back*
Catalyst: SEE?????
Shepard: But you just interfered in the conflict and made it more likely-
Catalyst: It is inevitable.
Shepard: But how can you say they'll always destroy us when they don't even want anything to do with us until-
Catalyst: INEVITABLE.
Shepard: That's it, I'm shooting the tube.

This human understands.

[noobcannon]

AlanC9 wrote...

noobcannon wrote...

it has pretty much been established in mass effect 1, 2, and 3 that there is no controlling the reapers or allying with them, only indoctrination, brainwashing, slavery, etc. nothing the "catalyst" says convinces me otherwise. the breath scene supports this, and always has.

How does a scene that can't happen in the other endings support an interpretation of those endings?

i feel the breath scene is an easter egg rewarded to me for choosing the "right" ending. since the catalyst says i'm partly synthetic and i will die and blahblahblah.

also if bioware wants me to even consider not choosing destroy, actually showing me edi and the geth "dying" would be a start. if you choose to side with the quarians over the geth, we actaully get to see the geth die. what did we get in the destroy ending? a half assed slideshow and edi's name on the memorial wall.

[remydat]

KingZayd wrote...

But Organics have not destroyed every AI race ever created. The Reapers have destroyed most of them. And if they and the Leviathan are to be believed, AI races have destroyed more Organic races than Organic races have destroyed AI races.

Your billion years idea is flawed. Earth is one planet. It took billions of years for 1 planet. The galaxy is huge. For Organic life to emerge again there's no reason why it would take billions of years again.

There's evidence that AI races might be capable of destroying a bunch of Organics. There is no motivation. No evidence that they would want to destroy all Organic life. The records would show that the Geth worked on the Crucible? Are you saying the Synthetics would suspect the Geth of intentionally wiping themselves out? Give those future "more advanced" synthetics some credit. They are not idiots. If the Stargazer knows about how clueless everyone was when it came to the Crucible, then there's no reason the advanced synthetics wouldn't either.

I was referring to the present cycle.  I don't know what happened in previous cycles beyond what Javik said.  This advanced AI will likely only have evidence from this cycle since no one seems to know what happened in previous cycles.  Stories of Shep killing the Reapers by killing synthetics will live on in legend.

I was referring specifically to just humanity there not every other potential race ie why would a human choose to kill organics and humanity when Earth takes billions of years to create more humans.  Sentient organic life would have to take millions of years at least.  I know this is sci-fi but I can see no other logical way for sentient life to not take time to evolve.

The Catalyst said it tried several solutions and they all failed.  You either believe him or you don't.  I think the obvious intent is for us to believe him so that is the evidence.  He saw numerous examples of it fail and synthetics wiping out organics.  Numerous.  If as I said in another thread he observed this happen every 60,000 years then the Reapers come before it can happen so any conflict we see where organics win are irrelevant.  The mere fact the conflict occurred before the Harvest means it is not the conflict he observed in which synthetics were exterminating organics.  It would be stupid for him to institute the Harvest after this breaking point is reached so all the evidence we see in the game is of organics defeating a synthetic race that is not the real threat.  The real threat comes in say 5 thousand years post the game ending because this is the first time the harvest has ended.

[remydat]

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

One thing that always bugged me about Glow Boy was his "Without us synthetics will destroy all organics." bit.

When the two cases we have direct evidence for don't match up at all.

The Protheans were winning the Metacon war before the reapers showed up to kill everyone.

The Quarians would have curbstomped the geth without reaper intervention.

It seems like the actual course of events looks a little more like this.

1. Organics build synthetics
2. Synthetics rebel
3. Long bitter war
4. Organics start winning
5. Reapers come in and kill everyone.

Removing the Reapers from the equation would make things look a little different.

4. Organics turn the tide
5. Organics victorious
6. Rinse
7. Repeat

Again faulty logic.  The Catalyst saw synthetics win numerous time.  He institued the harvest so that they would not.  So any conflict before the harvest is between less advanced organic and synthetics as it makes no sense to institute the harvest after the synthetic race that wipes all organics already exists.  The point of coming every 50 thousand years is likely because the Catalyst saw this advanced synthetic race emerg every 60 thousand years (I don't know the real number but just say it has to be greater than 50 thousand years logically) or so.  If organics are still creating synthetics in 10 thousand years now that the harvest has been stopped those synthetics will likely be more advanced because the organcs who created them are more advanced. 

So so far, only the Catalyst has allegedly seen this super advanced synthetics because ever since he saw them wiping the floor with organics, he created the Reapers to arrive and harvest advanced life before the organics create their own gravediggers. The Geth for all the trouble they caused were not even true AI until the Reaper Code and they went to town on the Quarians once they became true AI.  So what happens when that True AI is born as a true AI right from the beggining because 10 thousand yes from now organics possess the ability to create it and it's creation learns this history of organics previously wiping out those lesser synthetic races.

So the fact the organics are winning now likely is what would drive that synthetic race created post harvest to wipe them out.  It will see the history of conflict, see that the organics ultimately seek to destroy their creations and so already possessing and being a true RC full AI conclude they must be killed.

That is the Catalyst's logic a I understand it.  We can't prove he is incorrect until the galaxy is a few thousand years or so post the ending.

Modifié par remydat, 10 avril 2013 - 06:25 .

[dani1138]

remydat wrote...


The Catalyst said it tried several solutions and they all failed.  You either believe him or you don't.  I think the obvious intent is for us to believe him so that is the evidence.  He saw numerous examples of it fail and synthetics wiping out organics. 

I'm not sure it's that clear-cut. I believe the Catalyst believes what it is saying, that doesn't mean I believe it is right. Its only valid observations can come from a time before the cycles have begun, when the Leviathans were still around. It's a remarkably different context.

Everything that happens after the cycles begin is inadmissable, because the Catalyst is already enacting its solution and biasing any and all results. It is using the observations of one context (Leviathan rule) and applying them to all others, even though there are bound to be massive differences. And since it's already made up its mind, it sees no contradiction in actively inciting synthetics to rebel and then using those incidents as further proof.

It's a pity the Leviathans never programmed the Catalyst with a knowledge of how to recognise confirmation bias.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Remy you really need to cut this "Oh noes an advanced synthetic race would destroy us all!"

The Reapers were centuries ahead of us and we were able to take them out.

I highly doubt Geth 2.0 would fare any better.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

One thing that always bugged me about Glow Boy was his "Without us synthetics will destroy all organics." bit.

When the two cases we have direct evidence for don't match up at all.

The Protheans were winning the Metacon war before the reapers showed up to kill everyone.

The Quarians would have curbstomped the geth without reaper intervention.

It seems like the actual course of events looks a little more like this.

1. Organics build synthetics
2. Synthetics rebel
3. Long bitter war
4. Organics start winning
5. Reapers come in and kill everyone.

Removing the Reapers from the equation would make things look a little different.

4. Organics turn the tide
5. Organics victorious
6. Rinse
7. Repeat

You missed my response to you in a recent thread of mine.

http://social.biowar...3091/1#16464033

HYR 2.0 wrote...

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

Hmm I'd chalked it up to the giant kill bots that periodically show up to to kill everyone.

The Reapers are responsible for creating a grand total of two organic-synthetic conflicts (Heretic Geth, Zha'til).

Many others have existed in which they were not involved.

So, sorry, but that one's out.

Modifié par HYR 2.0, 10 avril 2013 - 06:30 .

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

The galaxy has been a very different place since the Leviathans were so spectacularly dethroned.

And since the cycles began we have been made aware of two major brobot wars.

Both of which would have been victories for the meatbags if the cuttlefish hadn't intervened.

Modifié par Grand Admiral Cheesecake, 10 avril 2013 - 06:37 .

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

So I'm just going to lay it all out.

Synthesis people, I don't agree with your decision but I can respect some of the motivations behind that choice.

Control people I don't agree with your decision but I can respect some of the motivations behind that choice.

Refuse people I don't agree with your decision but I can respect some of the motivations behind that choice.

I agree with the Destroyers and it is the only valid ending for me, I may not like the other endings but I can accept that they work for some people.

That is all.

[BansheeOwnage]

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

So I'm just going to lay it all out.

Synthesis people, I don't agree with your decision but I can respect some of the motivations behind that choice.

Control people I don't agree with your decision but I can respect some of the motivations behind that choice.

Refuse people I don't agree with your decision but I can respect some of the motivations behind that choice.

I agree with the Destroyers and it is the only valid ending for me, I may not like the other endings but I can accept that they work for some people.

That is all.

I agree with this, except I will never be able to justify synthesis as presented. It is forcing something on every living entity in an entire galaxy. While I don't disagree with some aspects of synthesis, the way it is presented ingame will never be morally or ethically justifiable.

[AlanC9]

noobcannon wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

noobcannon wrote...
it has pretty much been established in mass effect 1, 2, and 3 that there is no controlling the reapers or allying with them, only indoctrination, brainwashing, slavery, etc. nothing the "catalyst" says convinces me otherwise. the breath scene supports this, and always has.

How does a scene that can't happen in the other endings support an interpretation of those endings?

i feel the breath scene is an easter egg rewarded to me for choosing the "right" ending. since the catalyst says i'm partly synthetic and i will die and blahblahblah.

So it's pure feeling. Got it.

[AlanC9]

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...


The Reapers were centuries ahead of us and we were able to take them out.

I'm not sure that proves anything except that whoever can dock a Crucible to the Citadel can exterminate races. A different Crucible could Destroy all organics.

Come to think of it, maybe the Citadel shoudl be towed into the Sun as a precaution.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

The galaxy has been a very different place since the Leviathans were so spectacularly dethroned.

And since the cycles began we have been made aware of two major brobot wars.

Both of which would have been victories for the meatbags if the cuttlefish hadn't intervened.

Before the end of ME3, we have yet to prove capable of destroying sapient, unschakled synthetics.

And Javik saying they were "turning the tide" is meaningless. The fact they lost proves it, a tide can always turn back.

BansheeOwnage wrote...

I agree with this, except I will never be able to justify synthesis as presented. It is forcing something on every living entity in an entire galaxy. While I don't disagree with some aspects of synthesis, the way it is presented ingame will never be morally or ethically justifiable.

There is no wrong answer to saving all life.

There... all the justification it ever needs. 

Also, it's only organics, not "every" living thing. Synthetics are just indirectly affected.

Modifié par HYR 2.0, 10 avril 2013 - 08:42 .

[Adoramei]

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

So I'm just going to lay it all out.

Synthesis people, I don't agree with your decision but I can respect some of the motivations behind that choice.

Control people I don't agree with your decision but I can respect some of the motivations behind that choice.

Refuse people I don't agree with your decision but I can respect some of the motivations behind that choice.

I agree with the Destroyers and it is the only valid ending for me, I may not like the other endings but I can accept that they work for some people.

That is all.

And this is what we need more of. Seriously. Just because we're all different doesn't make us monsters for having a different world view. Everyone perceives the world differently. An opinion does not make absolutes.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

HYR 2.0 wrote...




And Javik saying they were "turning the tide" is meaningless. The fact they lost proves it, a tide can always turn back.

They lost because the Reapers decided to stomp in and kill everyone.

Guess what would have happened if Glow boy and his little toys hadn't shown up?

You guessed it dead robros!