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[Subject M]

Dude_in_the_Room wrote...

Destroy is my favorite ending b/c of this philosophy:

Yes, but that philosophy is also one of the main reasons our history is full of horrific events.
But with that being said, I am not saying it is always wrong, of course, its just that such destructive versions of "Better safe than sorry" have their own type of dangers.

[Reikilea]

Destroy forever and ever.

1. Reapers are gone,
2. Galaxy can evolve on its own. (we already proved we can be friends with synthetics. Legion was definitely my best bro.) And we can learn from our past mistakes. And becoming one big one race of synthesized **** is way to communist for me. People can be different and understand each other.
3. Shepard lives and deserves some happiness too. Probably more than anyone else.
4. It got rid of Edi. (Sorry just cant stand that sexbot.Such a cliche. )

[Bill Casey]

Subject M wrote...

Yes, but that philosophy is also one of the main reasons our history is full of horrific events.
But with that being said, I am not saying it is always wrong, of course, its just that such destructive versions of "Better safe than sorry" have their own type of dangers.

I would argue that the philosophy of autocracy is a far larger culprit...

[Enhanced]

Reikilea wrote...

Destroy forever and ever.

1. Reapers are gone,
2. Galaxy can evolve on its own. (we already proved we can be friends with synthetics. Legion was definitely my best bro.) And we can learn from our past mistakes. And becoming one big one race of synthesized **** is way to communist for me. People can be different and understand each other.
3. Shepard lives and deserves some happiness too. Probably more than anyone else.
4. It got rid of Edi. (Sorry just cant stand that sexbot.Such a cliche. )

@ #2
I see people posting this alot. Sorry, but peace on Rannoch is not a canon event (if that's what you are refering to).  What's canon is that conflict usually ends with organics going extinct.

Modifié par Enhanced, 08 avril 2013 - 05:32 .

[Calamity]

themikefest wrote...

I choose destroy all the time every time. Why? Reapers dead. We can build our future without the threat of the repears

Control--reapers still alive
Synthesis--reapers still alive
Refuse--the reapers win. The next cycle reapers are gone.

Although I am still suspicious that the brat is lieing but since we really have no other alternative to being forced to accept one of his solutions (unless you want a game over screen) you must select one. Destroy to me is the only one that lets the MEU inhabitants the freedom to determine their own future.

[Nelatherion]

Canon ending is Control.

• The ends do not justify the means. I refuse to commit genocide, even if they are synthetic they are still alive. 
• At the time, synthesis felt to risky (not enough information, but that has been fixed)
• Peace between the Geth and Quarian's proved that peace was possible, but it does not mean it would last forever.
• Who is to say what lurks in the dark corners of the galaxy? (Leviathans and what not)
• It is the best compromise, no need to commit Genocide and no need to force a change.

That being said, my "What would I do?" run ended up with me choosing Synthesis; and 3 of my 5 runs have been Synthesis so far

[Subject M]

Bill Casey wrote...

Subject M wrote...

Yes, but that philosophy is also one of the main reasons our history is full of horrific events.
But with that being said, I am not saying it is always wrong, of course, its just that such destructive versions of "Better safe than sorry" have their own type of dangers.

I would argue that the philosophy of autocracy is a far larger culprit...

Fair enough, but fortunately my Shepard was not renegade and thus not much about imposing autocracy on the Galaxy. And what are the problems or even motivations of autocracy if not exercising force "to be sure certain problems will go away for good".

That the reapers must be controlled in the sense that they will be forced or "re-written" to cease aggression is not optimal in the best of worlds perhaps, but given the situation, all options have their ups and downs.

[Reorte]

Enhanced wrote...

I see people posting this alot. Sorry, but peace on Rannoch is not a canon event (if that's what you are refering to).  What's canon is that conflict usually ends with organics going extinct.

No it is not. The examples we're given have organics coming out on top (until the Reapers step in and mess things up). Also, since this is (in theory) an issue which could some day be applicable to the real world then thoughts on the subject outside of the context of the game come into play, which don't really support the Catalyst's claims.

Even if peace on Rannoch doesn't necessarily happen the fact it's possible is canon (unfortunately that also means the type of thing that can create Synthesis is too, which means absolutely anything you care to imagine is canon).

[Enhanced]

Reorte wrote...

Enhanced wrote...

I see people posting this alot. Sorry, but peace on Rannoch is not a canon event (if that's what you are refering to).  What's canon is that conflict usually ends with organics going extinct.

No it is not. The examples we're given have organics coming out on top (until the Reapers step in and mess things up). Also, since this is (in theory) an issue which could some day be applicable to the real world then thoughts on the subject outside of the context of the game come into play, which don't really support the Catalyst's claims.

Even if peace on Rannoch doesn't necessarily happen the fact it's possible is canon (unfortunately that also means the type of thing that can create Synthesis is too, which means absolutely anything you care to imagine is canon).

2 examples aren't much compared to the countless times that the Leviathan spoke of. Also, the Reaper cycles are designed to prevent extinction of organic races by synthetics before it happens.

Modifié par Enhanced, 08 avril 2013 - 06:33 .

[Battlebloodmage]

Destroy

1. Shepard lives. I just don't like the endings where the PC dies.

2. It accomplishes what he sets out to do.

3. Flip off the reapers and the starkid for intentionally make Synthesis sounds superior.

4. It seems like something Anderson would want. My Shepard wants to destroy the reapers partly to honor his memories.

[N7-RedFox]

Picked Destroy because:

1) Saren tried synthesis by getting reaper implants. End result - the reaper tech took over his free will.

2) TIM tried Control by experimenting with reaper tech. End result - he was indoctrinated and controlled.

3) Destroy wipes out the reapers once and for all.

4) Picking refuse is just a kick in the teeth for Shepard and the fans who collected all military assets.

[Reikilea]

Enhanced wrote...

Reikilea wrote...

Destroy forever and ever.

1. Reapers are gone,
2. Galaxy can evolve on its own. (we already proved we can be friends with synthetics. Legion was definitely my best bro.) And we can learn from our past mistakes. And becoming one big one race of synthesized **** is way to communist for me. People can be different and understand each other.
3. Shepard lives and deserves some happiness too. Probably more than anyone else.
4. It got rid of Edi. (Sorry just cant stand that sexbot.Such a cliche. )

@ #2
I see people posting this alot. Sorry, but peace on Rannoch is not a canon event (if that's what you are refering to).  What's canon is that conflict usually ends with organics going extinct.

It is cannon if you managed  to make them to play frieds. That was when Shepard proved reapers wrong and broke the Reaper established cannon - that buh all systetics are bad bad. And if this happened, it can happen again. Legion wanted peace, same with EDI, she was friends with humans. Sure we can´t really predict the future, but it´s teh same with Synthesis. It can´t be guaranteed that option will bring peace either.  

[remydat]

Any option except destroy or refuse. While I have been trying to kill the Reapers all series, once I learn their motives, sacrificng a synthetic race so organics can live happily ever after essentially validates that the Catalyst was right to think conflict is inevitable. This is especially true if you do so after achieving peace as you prove peace is only an option so long as it benefits organics. I choose to let synthetics and organics live to prove the Catalyst wrong. To prove that we are capable of so much more than it ever imagined.

[FlyingSquirrel]

Well, for me it's different for different Shepards. Here are a couple of mine.

Selyn (F) - Colonist, War Hero, Paragon - Synthesis

She's an idealist who has long believed that intolerance, corrupt authorities, and general lack of communicationa and understanding are at the root of most conflicts in the universe. She chooses Synthesis because she doesn't think she (or an AI based on her) should necessarily be in control of the Reapers and is not willing to sacrifice EDI and the geth. She doesn't see Synthesis as compromising diversity, but as enabling people to make better choices and achieve deeper understanding through their increased abilities to accumulate knowledge. She also (headcanon alert) gains enough control over the process before "dissolving" to ensure that it happens in a way that's reversible for anyone who doesn't want it.

Kane (M) - Colonist, Ruthless, Paragade - Control

This guy might be the most idiosyncratic of my Shepards, and definitely very unlike myself IRL. He actually does have some strong principles (generally alien-friendly and multilateralist, for example), but he's also somewhat cynical about the possibility of persuading everyone of their value. He didn't actually murder any surrendering Batarians at Torfan, but let the rumor circulate anyway in the hopes that he could use it to his advantage, and similarly sometimes chooses to bluster and intimidate his way through conflicts. At the same time, he cured the genophage, brokered peace on Rannoch (though with the "I will stand aside and watch them lay you to waste" dialogue option), saved the rachni, etc. He wants to give everybody an equal chance at a better future when the war is over, but he also thinks it might not be such a bad thing to have a leader who can drop the hammer if things get out of hand. He still leans Paragon enough that he got the Paragon Control narration at the end, which generally fits his character.

[Shaleist]

Destroy: dead reapers. That is all.

[tonofluck21]

Control

1) EDI and Geth alive.

2) Quicker reconstruction of relays and Citadel.

3) Knowledge that can improve the lives of many people.

4) Stop threats like Wreav, Balak, Leviathan, and Xen.

5) Could make for an interesting sequel.

I really don't have any problems with the other endings and those who chose them, I just prefer Control.

[BounceDK]

I picked synthesis because the other choices made no sense.
1) Controlling reapers means you take the place as the child god (or as his side kick, who knows), that's not a fun future. You also lose all connection to your species, so eventually the reapers will return when the two of you smell enough chaos.
2) Destroy will kill the reapers right now, but it doesn't end the cycle, it simply postpone it. Species will evolve and then some smart civilization comes up with a reaper plan yet again.

Synthesis means the end of evolution and end of machines trying to understand meatbags (if you believe the god child) and so there is no need for chaos.

[AlexMBrennan]

Destroy: I don't trust Godchild about the tech singularity (ruling out Synthesis) and Control

[AlanC9]

AlexMBrennan wrote...

Destroy: I don't trust Godchild about the tech singularity (ruling out Synthesis) and Control

Why trust him about Destroy but not Control?

[J0HNL3I]

Argolas wrote...

Destroy. I am not philosophizing with an A.I. that is slaughtering everyone as we speak.

This

[Iakus]

AlanC9 wrote...

AlexMBrennan wrote...

Destroy: I don't trust Godchild about the tech singularity (ruling out Synthesis) and Control

Why trust him about Destroy but not Control?

Because the Catalyst has not read the Evil Overlord list:

I will not include a self-destruct mechanism unless absolutely necessary. If it is necessary, it will not be a large red button labelled "Danger: Do Not Push". The big red button marked "Do Not Push" will instead trigger a spray of bullets on anyone stupid enough to disregard it. Similarly, the ON/OFF switch will not clearly be labelled as such.

[KoorahUK]

AlanC9 wrote...

AlexMBrennan wrote...

Destroy: I don't trust Godchild about the tech singularity (ruling out Synthesis) and Control

Why trust him about Destroy but not Control?

Indeed. I haven't yet seen a convincing argument for this line of thought.

[dani1138]

KoorahUK wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

AlexMBrennan wrote...

Destroy: I don't trust Godchild about the tech singularity (ruling out Synthesis) and Control

Why trust him about Destroy but not Control?

Indeed. I haven't yet seen a convincing argument for this line of thought.

From my POV it's all about fear. We're forced to accept one of the three choices based on a fear of what might happen at some point in the future, with no way of saying "yeah but all the same, we'll handle it if and when it happens". I can distrust the Catalyst's conclusion and still pick Destroy, as it's the closest option I've got to disagreeing with his paternalistic nonsense anyway.

[Killdren88]

I have always been an advocate for destroy. Yes the galaxy is free to move forward without the Reapers dictating where things end up.. We are also giving justice to the many Quadrillions of beings they murdered. The Reapers deserve no mercy for the atrocities that they committed. If the Reapers really wanted synthesis. Before every cycle they would have offered the options to begin with. Not go straight to murder. Only when Shep was about to flip the kill switch were the reapers willing to negotiate. This shows that they are perfectly content with killing with no mercy. But when their own existence is in danger that they go. "Hey! Hey! Look! A non violent means of ending the cycles! see! No need to kill anyone! Let bygones be bygones maybe?" That alone is completely horrid. This to me means that only when their backs are to the wall are The Reapers will be willing to talk. They deserve no mercy. Not the galactic equivalent of community service and simply pick up their mess.

[Modius Prime]

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

Stat your ending of choice, list your reasons for that choice.

Let's try to go at least a page without people being called sociopaths or some such.

Alright here goes.

Ending: Destroy


Reasons for that choice:

• It's been my goal for the entire series
  
• It frees the galaxy from the Reapers
  
• No matter what happens in the future it will be on us, not them
  
• I don't believe that organics and synthetics are destined to destroy each other so the other choices just don't click with me.

I picked destroy for your reasons and because all the other endings just didn't make an sense in a science fiction video game. They totally removed the science aspect in control and synthesis and made it fiction lol. Also, I'm not going to let some flawed, illogical, star-brat  change the entire premise of the series in the last 15 minutes: destroying the Reapers.