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[RedJohn]

I read the whole thread and hack comments everywhere, but nobody has provided a link where he does his thing.

At least I know you can't kill a phoenix in 1 smash and someoen said you did it without provide a link to the time in the vid, well......

Okay, let's see if I find something weird in this video.

Modifié par RedJohn, 08 avril 2013 - 04:02 .

[sandboxgod]

stysiaq wrote...

@sandboxgod

The question was a rethorical one, unfortunately.

I started reading a true classic. "How to Win Friends and Influence People" by Dale Carnegie. In the second chapter of his book he writes about the need of feeling important, the very same need that the Juror #9 in my favorite movie of all time, "12 Angry Men".

Okay, I've shown everyone I'm an educated man, but it's really stupid to go on a witch hunt when the OP has absolutely nothing to gain by cheating. The OP won't enter the BSN Platinum Solo Hall of Fame, there isn't any. He won't join the BSN celebrities club, it doesn't exist no longer.

@VVarning
Yes or no question. Are you truly desperate for recognition? (no need to answer, I assume not)

True cheater do what they do for the lulz as far as I know. I know growing up my brother would cheat his butt off. He got no reward. Still to this day he plays with hacked accounts on World of Warcraft. There's just no reason or logic to it. Just gives him a thrill.

[cato potato]

Just finished watching the full vid. At no point does the OP kill a dragoon with just one smash. A mixture of acolyte shots, fire explosions, charges and multiple smashes is used to kill them......don't know what video Air Quotes watched.

Congrats OP

[capn233]

cato_84 wrote...

Just finished watching the full vid. At no point does the OP kill a dragoon with just one smash. A mixture of acolyte shots, fire explosions, charges and multiple smashes is used to kill them......don't know what video Air Quotes watched.

Congrats OP

There are some spots where there is an acolyte shot then a single smash and a Dragoon who didn't appear to get hit by anything else dies.

For instance around 3:18

But I think it was hit by two fire explosions from the smash, the one on the Phantom and the one on itself.  I'm not going to bother to calculate out the damage because I don't care.

Actually it almost looks like it could be hit by Smash twice.  Who knows it doesn't matter.

Modifié par capn233, 08 avril 2013 - 04:42 .

[Deerber]

capn233 wrote...

cato_84 wrote...

Just finished watching the full vid. At no point does the OP kill a dragoon with just one smash. A mixture of acolyte shots, fire explosions, charges and multiple smashes is used to kill them......don't know what video Air Quotes watched.

Congrats OP

There are some spots where there is an acolyte shot then a single smash and a Dragoon who didn't appear to get hit by anything else dies.

For instance around 3:18

But I think it was hit by two fire explosions from the smash, the one on the Phantom and the one on itself.  I'm not going to bother to calculate out the damage because I don't care.

Actually it almost looks like it could be hit by Smash twice.  Who knows it doesn't matter.

A single Smash + FE can actually kill a Platinum Dragoon. Doesn't even take 2 FEs.

[capn233]

Deerber wrote...

A single Smash + FE can actually kill a Platinum Dragoon. Doesn't even take 2 FEs.

Now I actually care about the math because that wasn't put in the thread before apparently.

How much does a Rank 1 + Rank 6 FE do to armor?

Are Air Quotes numbers correct?

Maxed Smash with Armor damage after Charge with 40% more damage with
Acolyte 30% more power damage does 4403 damage. Even with Power
Amplifier 4 it'll deal only 5125. 

Platinum Dragoon has 6254 Armor.

What is your math, or was that statement anecdotal?

edit: whoops, I thought ammo was rank 1 but it is rank 0... let me redo the above.

Modifié par capn233, 08 avril 2013 - 05:00 .

[RedJohn]

Don't trust Narida tool or other spreadsheet with stats.

Test it in game.
I would if I could

[capn233]

NM there was a term that got dropped, FE should be ~1772dmg to armor on Platinum + a little DOT. So there you go.

Modifié par capn233, 08 avril 2013 - 05:03 .

[Deerber]

capn233 wrote...

Deerber wrote...

A single Smash + FE can actually kill a Platinum Dragoon. Doesn't even take 2 FEs.

Now I actually care about the math because that wasn't put in the thread before apparently.

How much does a Rank 1 + Rank 6 FE do to armor?

Are Air Quotes numbers correct?

Maxed Smash with Armor damage after Charge with 40% more damage with
Acolyte 30% more power damage does 4403 damage. Even with Power
Amplifier 4 it'll deal only 5125. 

Platinum Dragoon has 6254 Armor.

What is your math, or was that statement anecdotal?

edit: whoops, I thought ammo was rank 1 but it is rank 0... let me redo the above.

Actually, according to Corlist's spreadsheet, an incendiary FE does 1500 ish damage, on platinum armor. I did a quick calculation and it seemed to more or less confirm AQ's numbers, so my statement was based on that.

[Mirenko]

Air Quotes wrote...

OP doesn't even have 50k points in Smash in his HQ. Completed 0 times. 

There is no profile by the name of antimas in N7HQ.  

There is no profile by the name of VVarn1ng671games in N7HQ

That's not weird, he could change his ID.

What is really weird is that if you write those IDs on Origin they don't take you to his new profile as it should be.

[XPERIA_Z]

RedJohn wrote...

Don't trust Narida tool or other spreadsheet with stats.

Test it in game.
I would if I could

I agree. Narida is not 100% accurate and is a LIE.

Air Quotes wrote...

OP doesn't even have 50k points in Smash in his HQ. Completed 0 times. 

There is no profile by the name of antimas in N7HQ.  

There is no profile by the name of VVarn1ng671games in N7HQ

Way to go, Detective.

OP: How old is teh video??

Modifié par XPERIA_Z, 08 avril 2013 - 05:09 .

[capn233]

Deerber wrote...

Actually, according to Corlist's spreadsheet, an incendiary FE does 1500 ish damage, on platinum armor. I did a quick calculation and it seemed to more or less confirm AQ's numbers, so my statement was based on that.

I went by Cyonan's formula so:

(((max_damage - min_damage) * (combined_power_ranks / 12)) + min_damage) * difficulty_modifier * combo_modifier * defence_modifier = final_damage

[((250-100)*(6/12)+100]*5.0625*1*2 = ~1772 + DOT

Modifié par capn233, 08 avril 2013 - 05:09 .

[RedJohn]

Can someone spot me the weird things on the video? I don't want to watch the whole thing

[peddroelm]

Phoenix vanguard smash maximal damage vs armor

Smash 550 * (1+0.2+0.4)*1.5*1.75 impact + 550 * 0.5 * (1+0.2+0.4)* 1.5 * 1.75 DOT


Biotic charge 40% PD (temp)
Passive 45% PD
Weapon Add-on V 30%
Consumable 50% PD
Gear PD 15%
Melee Synergy 30% PD


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Maximal damage vs armor with Charge and melee synergy temp bonuses going


550 * (1+0.2+0.4+0.4+0.45+0.3+0.5+0.15+0.3)*1.5*1.75 + 550 *0.5 (1+0.2+0.4+0.4+0.45+0.3+0.5+0.15+0.3)*1.5*1.75 = 8012.8125

5341.875 impact and 2670.9375 as DOT ...


Assuming dragoon platinum armor = 6254 (quite an assumption - as I never recall having testing ingame - cyonan's table with health values has been wrong/updated before Ex. silver dragoon HP) maxed smash should in fact 1 shot platinum dragoons without debuffs ... Dragoon should die to DOT quite soon after impact..

Without temp bonuses maximal vs armor becomes

550 * (1+0.2+0.4+0.45+0.3+0.5+0.15)*1.5*1.75 + 550 *0.5 (1+0.2+0.4+0.45+0.3+0.5+0.15+)*1.5*1.75 = 6496.875

Still > 6254 .. Platinum Dragon should still die near the end of the DOT duration (7.5 seconds) ..



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Yes build used in OP is not maximal ...

[Deerber]

capn233 wrote...

Deerber wrote...

Actually, according to Corlist's spreadsheet, an incendiary FE does 1500 ish damage, on platinum armor. I did a quick calculation and it seemed to more or less confirm AQ's numbers, so my statement was based on that.

I went by Cyonan's formula so:

(((max_damage - min_damage) * (combined_power_ranks / 12)) + min_damage) * difficulty_modifier * combo_modifier * defence_modifier = final_damage

[((250-100)*(6/12)+100]*5.0625*1*2 = ~1772

I usually just refer to the spreadsheet in here. I can't be bothered with the computation every time.

Modifié par Deerber, 08 avril 2013 - 05:10 .

[capn233]

Well mystery solved, now the world won't end.

[Deerber]

peddroelmz wrote...


Phoenix vanguard smash maximal damage vs armor

Smash 550 * (1+0.2+0.4)*1.5*1.75 impact + 550 * 0.5 * (1+0.2+0.4)* 1.5 * 1.75 DOT


Biotic charge 40% PD (temp)
Passive 45% PD
Weapon Add-on V 30%
Consumable 50% PD
Gear PD 15%
Melee Synergy 30% PD


==============

Maximal damage vs armor with Charge and melee synergy temp bonuses going


550 * (1+0.2+0.4+0.4+0.45+0.3+0.5+0.15+0.3)*1.5*1.75 + 550 *0.5 (1+0.2+0.4+0.4+0.45+0.3+0.5+0.15+0.3)*1.5*1.75 = 8012.8125

5341.875 impact and 2670.9375 as DOT ...


Assuming dragoon platinum armor = 6254 (quite an assumption - as I never recall having testing ingame - cyonan's table with health values has been wrong/updated before Ex. silver dragoon HP) maxed smash should in fact 1 shot platinum dragoons without debuffs ... Dragoon should die to DOT quite soon after impact..

Without temp bonuses maximal vs armor becomes

550 * (1+0.2+0.4+0.45+0.3+0.5+0.15)*1.5*1.75 + 550 *0.5 (1+0.2+0.4+0.45+0.3+0.5+0.15+)*1.5*1.75 = 6496.875

Still > 6254 .. Platinum Dragon should still die near the end of the DOT duration (7.5 seconds) ..



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Yes build used in OP is not maximal ...

Yes but I was under the impression that AQ was talking of a straight OHK, not a DoT kill. The DoT evolution makes the total damage go skyrocket, but it's DoT...

[Star fury]

I'm having deja-vu, I saw exact same situation in the Link's KW solo thread.

[Kaall]

Air Quotes wrote...

Say thanks to Link. And some other dudes. 

Ok links cheated, that is a given, but you seems to forget how agressive you are in your accusations.

Don't try to minimize how it is partially your fault that the athmosphere here in BSN and espetially on each solo video has become noxious.

You need to stop being that much vehement, or the situation will never calm down...

Ho but maybe you don't want the situation to calm down, maybe you wantevery PC players to be scrutinized and supposed guilty until proven innocent ....

Maybe he cheated, but that is not a reason to make the case escalate that much.

Modifié par Kaall, 08 avril 2013 - 05:14 .

[soulstriker09]

This is seriously going on? D:
Seriously?

...and I wanted to solo plat with the PA ;____;

[capn233]

soulstriker09 wrote...

...and I wanted to solo plat with the PA ;____;

And I wanted to solo Platinum with the Phoenix Adept with the Javelin...