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[capn233]

UnknownMercenary wrote...

are you going to keep the firing delay to make it fair?

Of course.

What won't be fair is that it will do 1400 damage per shot at X.

[VVarn1ng]

Air Quotes wrote...

VVarn1ng wrote...

Air Quotes wrote...

VVarn1ng wrote...

Began flooding.

 

We're listening. 

You do not understand.

 

Spell it Russian then. I will understand. 

Then prove to me that you understand me.

[capn233]

VVarn1ng wrote...

Air Quotes wrote...

VVarn1ng wrote...

Air Quotes wrote...

VVarn1ng wrote...

Began flooding.

 

We're listening. 

You do not understand.

 

Spell it Russian then. I will understand. 

Then prove to me that you understand me.

Ziggurat

[Deerber]

VVarn1ng wrote...

Drell Vanguard can be completed in 30 minutes solo platinum.

Nice. Do that, and I'll know you're haxing. 

[Bechter]

Can we just have a hackers division and let them do what ever they want?

May the best hacker win.

[Deerber]

capn233 wrote...

UnknownMercenary wrote...

are you going to keep the firing delay to make it fair?

Of course.

What won't be fair is that it will do 1400 damage per shot at X.

What? That's less than a Javelin! Pff... Got no use for it then.

I'll stick to ma' Javelin 8 

[Zjarcal]

Deerber wrote...

That is - if there is even the slighest chance of you listening to a random guy on the interenet blabbing about this kind of stuff 

This is the only line of your wall of text that has a smiley, hence the only one worth reading. 

[VVarn1ng]

Deerber wrote...

VVarn1ng wrote...

Drell Vanguard can be completed in 30 minutes solo platinum.

Nice. Do that, and I'll know you're haxing. 

I'll do it. But I do not Hax. And you know it.

[Deerber]

VVarn1ng wrote...

Deerber wrote...

VVarn1ng wrote...

Drell Vanguard can be completed in 30 minutes solo platinum.

Nice. Do that, and I'll know you're haxing. 

I'll do it. But I do not Hax. And you know it.

Uh? No, I don't. I may believe or not something, but I don't know anything about you, yet.

Zjarcal wrote...

This is the only line of your wall of text that has a smiley, hence the only one worth reading. 

Dammit - I knew those Chinese were lying when they said the best walls are those without smileys! 

Modifié par Deerber, 08 avril 2013 - 08:06 .

[JediHarbinger]

lol @ PC Master Race

[IUsedToDieAtWaveOne]

JediHarbinger wrote...

lol @ PC Master Race

MissileGlitchers4lyfe!

[capn233]

Di-Datau wrote...

JediHarbinger wrote...

lol @ PC Master Race

MissileGlitchers4lyfe!

Yeah.  And the inventers of the 2 Billion credit payout Bronze game.

[Original Twigman]

[quote]Kaall wrote...

[quote]Original Stikman wrote...

1st part is a slippery slope argument.[/quote]

And in what ? every time you see a pc player do something there is always someone to say he hax just because you know ...PC player.


[quote]So, what if the moderators don't do anything about the cheater... for months? Do we still allow people to idolize or accept these "accomplishments" at face value?[/quote]

No system, is perfect, but it is still better than to do justice yourself.

As far as i can recall you don't do justice yourself in the real world, you don't go beating people who cheated on their wife or stole a purse ? so why would you do it on the internet ?

Because the internet is different ?, the only thing that makes it different to you is that the feeling of anonimity makes you confident enough that you think that making your own justice is justified while it is not.

[/quote][/quote]

The "real world" and competitive gameplay are two different matters. A better analogy would be investigative reporters exposing corruption vs. someone investigating accounts and/or videos to expose cheating/modding. Without investigative reporters, many of the injustices that occur would not have been known. In fact, due to investigative reporting, we have the USDA that standardizes meat so that we all don't get sick from horrible strands of bacteria due to unregulated meat. Does the recent "horse meat in burgers" scandal ring a bell?

Leaving it up to officials isn't always a good option either. In 1989, Canadian sprinter Ben Johnson was stripped of his gold medal during the olympics and it was given to Carl Lewis, an american sprinter. Yet Carl lewis was also caught with banned substances and wasn't disqualified. Just one huge example, of officials not always doing what their job is intended to do

[MaxShine]

Di-Datau wrote...

JediHarbinger wrote...

lol @ PC Master Race

MissileGlitchers4lyfe!

Missile glitching... haha Primitives... we have way more sophisticated methods of cheating

[capn233]

Paynez wrote...

This had like 10 replies when I went to sleep last night.

Welcome to the future.  Some might call it dystopian.

[Kaall]

Air Quotes wrote...

Kaall wrote...

Air Quotes wrote...

Bioware has stopped the bans. They will say they didn't, but If they have stopped making balance changes, they have stopped banning too. I takes time and resources to investigate each case. 

If they have stopped banning cheaters on reports, what makes you think they will ban a cheater because you over expose him ?
wouldn't that mean that the only thing you are doing is creating drama ?

 

Well I heard from somebody that Brojo personally investigated Link and capped him in the skull. 

Link was headshot slightly before the end of service for ME3, the question is can it still happen now that the service has ended ?

And more importantly look at all the collateral damage exposing just one cheater has already done to this community, so even if it still worked, are you ready to worsen the situation every time you want a cheater to be headshot ?

[Original Twigman]

Deerber wrote...

Original Stikman wrote...

can you elaborate on what you think is "really really bad" because i have no clue what you are talking about, specifically.

Also, even if n7-link's account wasn't wiped, what Air Quotes did worked, and it worked quickly, unlike the ban waves

Yeah, I agree that it worked and that he should be given credit for that, alongside Peddro.

But, in general, I agree with Kaall's stance on it. While these hackusation may prove right sometimes, and it's definitely right to do them when you have proof (and I did it too in that case, as AQ knows), I also believe that there are ways and ways to do it, and that the overall atmosphere in which AQ's been operating is not for the best of this forum.

It is also, in my opinion, symptom of a mentality that does no good to the accuser - same thing I said before.

It's the kind of mentality which makes you think everyone doing more than you do (or someone else you know and trust and admire) is using some kind of unfair advantage. Now this kind of mentality is not only bad for everyone around you and the guys you accuse, as it usually sparkls flames and discussions obviously... But most of all, it's bad for you. The accuser.

Because following that mentality deprives you of one of the greatest stimuli to push yourself to your limits and beyond - admiration. Seeing someone doing something great, and genuinely thinking "holy ****, this guy is great! I wanna do the stuff he does!" is the kind of thing which really makes you push your limits beyond where they were before - and that's a great thing. And it's great wheter the guy did those things with an unfair advantage or not.

If you instead think "he's got an unfair advantage, of course he's better than me" everytime you see someone doing something better than you, you'll never grow. As an athlete, or as a player, or as whatever. You'll indulge in your position thinking that it's the best you can do - and it never is.

Then when you do something like that in a videogame - not a big deal. But if you do something like that in your real life, in a sport for example... It's quite worse, believe me. I've seen it a lot.


That said, I'm not saying you necessarily share that mentality. But what you wrote sparkled a warning in my head. I might be wrong, but if I'm not I'd like to say something.

Don't take it as a critique, take it maybe as an occasion to question yourself and think about what I said, and see if you're actually sharing a mentality which does no good for you.

That is - if there is even the slighest chance of you listening to a random guy on the interenet blabbing about this kind of stuff 

oh, wow dude... nah i think you are viewing my posts a few degrees off. No way would i not push myself because i think "the only way they are better is because they cheat."

Just a real life example, I workout in a gym full of juicers (even some fo the girls), guys on hgh, some even use synthol. I have never taken steroids, hgh, but does that mean I don't push myself because i know i won't ever get to their level?

hell no. nearly 5 years of natural bodybuilding, with no intention of quitting.

To be literal abot my view: My attitude is that I refuse to be delusional into thinking that the top guys in anything competitive don't blur the lines of "fairness" to get an edge. Even in this game, I use incendiary/warp glitch, inferno grenade/incendiary rounds glitch, weight/bug/glitch, etc. I am not great at this game or anything else that i do, because of these things, but i am great at what i do because i am willing to push myself to utilize these things to exceed performance than if i didn't.

Again, its not that i think "if you are better, you must cheat" its that i know what it takes for people to push themselves past the limit, because i have done so myself, yet obviously not as far as some.

[Original Twigman]

Paynez wrote...

Original Stikman wrote...
Incendiary Rounds/Infernoe grenade glitch

Never heard of that one. Tell me more. Stikman pls

sure thing fellow BSNer Paynez.

When you throw an infnero grenade and use incendiary rounds, it will ramp up the dps of the DOT, especially when using a fast firing gun (hurricane, ppr, harrier, etc.)

Throw two inferno grenades at a full barrier/armor banshee on gold, then shoot her with the ppr with incendiary rounds, and watch it eat her alive. Try the same thing with disruptor/phasic/drill/warp/ap and it won't be the same

[RedJohn]

What does "old record" means?

[VVarn1ng]

RedJohn wrote...

What does "old record" means?

I have been recorded. I posted to this site just now.

[Kaall]

Original Stikman wrote...


The "real world" and competitive gameplay are two different matters. A better analogy would be investigative reporters exposing corruption vs. someone investigating accounts and/or videos to expose cheating/modding. Without investigative reporters, many of the injustices that occur would not have been known. In fact, due to investigative reporting, we have the USDA that standardizes meat so that we all don't get sick from horrible strands of bacteria due to unregulated meat. Does the recent "horse meat in burgers" scandal ring a bell?

Leaving it up to officials isn't always a good option either. In 1989, Canadian sprinter Ben Johnson was stripped of his gold medal during the olympics and it was given to Carl Lewis, an american sprinter. Yet Carl lewis was also caught with banned substances and wasn't disqualified. Just one huge example, of officials not always doing what their job is intended to do

Investigation reporter actually investigate and collect proof before acusing someone.
And when they accuse someone they don't create a hundred different articles, only one first page in a journal is enough.

what we have seen here is quite different, we have seen Hackusation before proof, and we have seen Ruthlessness before self moderation.

your point would be valid if in here people would expose cheater without creating collateral damage, exept that by accusing before having proof and by being ruthless, it has also done worse to this community for what result only 1 ban.

that is an awesome result you got there, what is the next step ?, making this subforum the same as the romance subforum for a couple of new bans ?

Modifié par Kaall, 08 avril 2013 - 08:32 .

[VVarn1ng]

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