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[THOUGHTBLUDGEON]

Which is a better build?  Why?
 
Survivability.
http://narida.pytalh...ciencyModule3//
 
Pure Damage:
http://narida.pytalh...ciencyModule3//
I like to spam SS and zip all over the map.  And take out shield enemies in one shot (is that still possible with the survivability build?).

Modifié par THOUGHTBLUDGEON, 08 avril 2013 - 06:03 .

[DxWill103]

I like the pure damage one. Also the utility it provides (it's the only infil class I go that takes duration.)

Also: Did they fix the melee tree to affect shadow strike now? It's been a while for me, last I saw (several months ago at the least) it did NOT affect SS.

[Wadmaasi]

My favorite Shadow build:

[Original Twigman]

not so much a "pure damage" if you have duration instead of damage.

Also, none of them are better as those arent' the only two builds for her, and the phalanx is also not a good gun for her. She is better off with a burst damage gun (Shotguns or Talon/executioner)

Modifié par Original Stikman, 08 avril 2013 - 04:29 .

[THOUGHTBLUDGEON]

Original Stikman wrote...

not so much a "pure damage" if you have duration instead of damage.

Also, none of them are better as those arent' the only two builds for her, and the phalanx is also not a good gun for her. She is better off with a burst damage gun (Shotguns or Talon/executioner)

Two cloaked SS deals more damage than 40% damage increase, no?

I keep the lighest weapon to keep cooldown as short as possible for SS.  Rarely ever use the gun.

[09_Trooper]

This is what I use
narida.pytalhost.com/me3/classes/#Infiltrator/NShadow/MDKIL/Talon10BP5AG5//StrengthEnhancer3/PowerAmplifierModule4/JuggernautShield5/

[ClydeInTheShell]

Glad somebody made this thread, I just got one of these yesterday. Another squishy kit with potential for good damage; my thought was all melee, spec out of Electric Slash, equip Juggernaut Shield and run wild.

[Original Twigman]

THOUGHTBLUDGEON wrote...

Original Stikman wrote...

not so much a "pure damage" if you have duration instead of damage.

Also, none of them are better as those arent' the only two builds for her, and the phalanx is also not a good gun for her. She is better off with a burst damage gun (Shotguns or Talon/executioner)

Two cloaked SS deals more damage than 40% damage increase, no?

I keep the lighest weapon to keep cooldown as short as possible for SS.  Rarely ever use the gun.

not at all

My build is in my sig.

You can easily strap a claymore or wraith, cloak > shoot (for 80% bonus), then immediately Shadow Strike (with 80% if it hits within2.5 seconds of shooting).

It will automatically reload your gun during the SS and let you shoot again.

Also, with a shotgun, you can equip the omniblade which gives you a multplicative melee bonus to your shadow strike.

This type of Shadow will put out more damage consistently than a "i never shoot" Shadow.

However, "best" is subjective. My idea of "best" is greatest consistent damage output, not "greatest survivor" or "not the strongest, but the most fun"

Modifié par Original Stikman, 08 avril 2013 - 04:55 .

[solidprice]

Original Stikman wrote...

THOUGHTBLUDGEON wrote...

Original Stikman wrote...

not so much a "pure damage" if you have duration instead of damage.

Also, none of them are better as those arent' the only two builds for her, and the phalanx is also not a good gun for her. She is better off with a burst damage gun (Shotguns or Talon/executioner)

Two cloaked SS deals more damage than 40% damage increase, no?

I keep the lighest weapon to keep cooldown as short as possible for SS.  Rarely ever use the gun.

not at all

My build is in my sig.

You can easily strap a claymore or wraith, cloak > shoot (for 80% bonus), then immediately Shadow Strike (with 80% if it hits within2.5 seconds of shooting).

It will automatically reload your gun during the SS and let you shoot again.

Also, with a shotgun, you can equip the omniblade which gives you a multplicative melee bonus to your shadow strike.

This type of Shadow will put out more damage consistently than a "i never shoot" Shadow.

However, "best" is subjective. My idea of "best" is greatest consistent damage output, not "greatest survivor" or "not the strongest, but the most fun"

will try out.

[THOUGHTBLUDGEON]

Original Stikman wrote...

THOUGHTBLUDGEON wrote...

Original Stikman wrote...

not so much a "pure damage" if you have duration instead of damage.

Also, none of them are better as those arent' the only two builds for her, and the phalanx is also not a good gun for her. She is better off with a burst damage gun (Shotguns or Talon/executioner)

Two cloaked SS deals more damage than 40% damage increase, no?

I keep the lighest weapon to keep cooldown as short as possible for SS.  Rarely ever use the gun.

not at all

My build is in my sig.

You can easily strap a claymore or wraith, cloak > shoot (for 80% bonus), then immediately Shadow Strike (with 80% if it hits within2.5 seconds of shooting).

It will automatically reload your gun during the SS and let you shoot again.

Also, with a shotgun, you can equip the omniblade which gives you a multplicative melee bonus to your shadow strike.

This type of Shadow will put out more damage consistently than a "i never shoot" Shadow.

However, "best" is subjective. My idea of "best" is greatest consistent damage output, not "greatest survivor" or "not the strongest, but the most fun"

I agree, it is subjective.  Your build does not look enjoyable to me in the slightest.  Shotgun and electric slash spam?  No thanks.

[Original Twigman]

THOUGHTBLUDGEON wrote...

Original Stikman wrote...

THOUGHTBLUDGEON wrote...

Original Stikman wrote...

not so much a "pure damage" if you have duration instead of damage.

Also, none of them are better as those arent' the only two builds for her, and the phalanx is also not a good gun for her. She is better off with a burst damage gun (Shotguns or Talon/executioner)

Two cloaked SS deals more damage than 40% damage increase, no?

I keep the lighest weapon to keep cooldown as short as possible for SS.  Rarely ever use the gun.

not at all

My build is in my sig.

You can easily strap a claymore or wraith, cloak > shoot (for 80% bonus), then immediately Shadow Strike (with 80% if it hits within2.5 seconds of shooting).

It will automatically reload your gun during the SS and let you shoot again.

Also, with a shotgun, you can equip the omniblade which gives you a multplicative melee bonus to your shadow strike.

This type of Shadow will put out more damage consistently than a "i never shoot" Shadow.

However, "best" is subjective. My idea of "best" is greatest consistent damage output, not "greatest survivor" or "not the strongest, but the most fun"

I agree, it is subjective.  Your build does not look enjoyable to me in the slightest.  Shotgun and electric slash spam?  No thanks.

its not an electrical slash spam.... i don't know where you got that idea, as i never state that you should spam ES

also, if you don't think shotguns work well on her, then there isn't much i can say to you.

i mean.... you have power efficiency on an infiltrator with 200% cooldown.... <_<

Modifié par Original Stikman, 08 avril 2013 - 05:08 .

[GordianKnot42]

Original Stikman wrote...

You can easily strap a claymore or wraith, cloak > shoot (for 80% bonus), then immediately Shadow Strike (with 80% if it hits within2.5 seconds of shooting).

It will automatically reload your gun during the SS and let you shoot again.

Also, with a shotgun, you can equip the omniblade which gives you a multplicative melee bonus to your shadow strike.

This type of Shadow will put out more damage consistently than a "i never shoot" Shadow.

However, "best" is subjective. My idea of "best" is greatest consistent damage output, not "greatest survivor" or "not the strongest, but the most fun"

Now that is hardcore. I'm gonna have to try that.

[Original Twigman]

GordianKnot42 wrote...

Original Stikman wrote...

You can easily strap a claymore or wraith, cloak > shoot (for 80% bonus), then immediately Shadow Strike (with 80% if it hits within2.5 seconds of shooting).

It will automatically reload your gun during the SS and let you shoot again.

Also, with a shotgun, you can equip the omniblade which gives you a multplicative melee bonus to your shadow strike.

This type of Shadow will put out more damage consistently than a "i never shoot" Shadow.

However, "best" is subjective. My idea of "best" is greatest consistent damage output, not "greatest survivor" or "not the strongest, but the most fun"

Now that is hardcore. I'm gonna have to try that.

Its disgusting. Try it vs. a banshee. Cloak>shoot>SS>shoot, all within 3-4 seconds.... with headshots it gets more ridiculous

[Micah3sixty]

see guide in signature.

[overlordchin]

I think i put 3 into electric slash just to have it but honestly I feel like its not even worth really. It is semi useful in some situations (through cover to knock down a crowd or hit an atlas that you cant ss). But even with the boosts unless you spec specifically for it; it just doesnt seem that useful to me.

I much prefer just being smarter about target selection with ss but be aware that ss does not give invuln frames like biotic charge. IE the enemy can and will melee you if they see you and interrupt your ability. If you path over a grenade close to your target you will die before getting there to hit him. You have to learn how to pick targets and be ready with ops pcks for those oops moments. The downside to this class as much as I love it is that you need at least a str enh II for it to be really effective in gold unless you just want to waste both your shadow strikes on the same target.

[Miniditka77]

DxWill103 wrote...

I like the pure damage one. Also the utility it provides (it's the only infil class I go that takes duration.)

Also: Did they fix the melee tree to affect shadow strike now? It's been a while for me, last I saw (several months ago at the least) it did NOT affect SS.

The melee tree always affected SS.  The only problem originally was that the last rank (fire or lightning sword) did not affect SS.  That bug has been fixed, and now, the entire melee tree affects SS.

EDIT:  My favorite build is 6/3/6/5/6 or 6/4/6/4/6, with TC specced for duration, and fire sword.  I find ES situationally useful, such as to detonate explosions and soften up groups of enemies (esp. Geth) before going in.  My favorite gun for this is a Piranha, but the Wraith, Reegar, Raider, or Talon are all pretty good too.  I have never tried the Claymore because too long of a cooldown negates the utility of duration cloak.  If I used a Claymore, I would probably go damage cloak.

Modifié par Miniditka77, 08 avril 2013 - 05:26 .

[overlordchin]

Micah3sixty wrote...

see guide in signature.

A vry good guide. I followed this when I first unlocked the class. Give it a read.

[THOUGHTBLUDGEON]

Original Stikman wrote...

THOUGHTBLUDGEON wrote...

Original Stikman wrote...

THOUGHTBLUDGEON wrote...

Original Stikman wrote...

not so much a "pure damage" if you have duration instead of damage.

Also, none of them are better as those arent' the only two builds for her, and the phalanx is also not a good gun for her. She is better off with a burst damage gun (Shotguns or Talon/executioner)

Two cloaked SS deals more damage than 40% damage increase, no?

I keep the lighest weapon to keep cooldown as short as possible for SS.  Rarely ever use the gun.

not at all

My build is in my sig.

You can easily strap a claymore or wraith, cloak > shoot (for 80% bonus), then immediately Shadow Strike (with 80% if it hits within2.5 seconds of shooting).

It will automatically reload your gun during the SS and let you shoot again.

Also, with a shotgun, you can equip the omniblade which gives you a multplicative melee bonus to your shadow strike.

This type of Shadow will put out more damage consistently than a "i never shoot" Shadow.

However, "best" is subjective. My idea of "best" is greatest consistent damage output, not "greatest survivor" or "not the strongest, but the most fun"

I agree, it is subjective.  Your build does not look enjoyable to me in the slightest.  Shotgun and electric slash spam?  No thanks.

its not an electrical slash spam.... i don't know where you got that idea, as i never state that you should spam ES

also, if you don't think shotguns work well on her, then there isn't much i can say to you.

i mean.... you have power efficiency on an infiltrator with 200% cooldown.... <_<

Just not my play style at all. I'd rather cloak, SS, SS, dodge, SS, dodge, cloak, SS, SS, rinse repeat. Your build seems a little more busy. I figure I can do more damage with SS than an executioner shot. I think I tried it a few times with wraith, claymore and piranha and just couldn’t find the right groove – cooldowns seemed “off” to me, and found myself staring at 0 rounds, reloading and waiting for cool downs – resorting to melee or running.  Also, ES seems to ****** everyone off, and that weird animation that moves your character forward 2 feet is annoying.
 
Different strokes.

[BACON4BREAKFAST]

Damage cloak
claymore
SS reload canceling

accept no substitutes

[Original Twigman]

THOUGHTBLUDGEON wrote...

Original Stikman wrote...

THOUGHTBLUDGEON wrote...

Original Stikman wrote...

THOUGHTBLUDGEON wrote...

Original Stikman wrote...

not so much a "pure damage" if you have duration instead of damage.

Also, none of them are better as those arent' the only two builds for her, and the phalanx is also not a good gun for her. She is better off with a burst damage gun (Shotguns or Talon/executioner)

Two cloaked SS deals more damage than 40% damage increase, no?

I keep the lighest weapon to keep cooldown as short as possible for SS.  Rarely ever use the gun.

not at all

My build is in my sig.

You can easily strap a claymore or wraith, cloak > shoot (for 80% bonus), then immediately Shadow Strike (with 80% if it hits within2.5 seconds of shooting).

It will automatically reload your gun during the SS and let you shoot again.

Also, with a shotgun, you can equip the omniblade which gives you a multplicative melee bonus to your shadow strike.

This type of Shadow will put out more damage consistently than a "i never shoot" Shadow.

However, "best" is subjective. My idea of "best" is greatest consistent damage output, not "greatest survivor" or "not the strongest, but the most fun"

I agree, it is subjective.  Your build does not look enjoyable to me in the slightest.  Shotgun and electric slash spam?  No thanks.

its not an electrical slash spam.... i don't know where you got that idea, as i never state that you should spam ES

also, if you don't think shotguns work well on her, then there isn't much i can say to you.

i mean.... you have power efficiency on an infiltrator with 200% cooldown.... <_<

Just not my play style at all. I'd rather cloak, SS, SS, dodge, SS, dodge, cloak, SS, SS, rinse repeat. Your build seems a little more busy. I figure I can do more damage with SS than an executioner shot. I think I tried it a few times with wraith, claymore and piranha and just couldn’t find the right groove – cooldowns seemed “off” to me, and found myself staring at 0 rounds, reloading and waiting for cool downs – resorting to melee or running.  Also, ES seems to ****** everyone off, and that weird animation that moves your character forward 2 feet is annoying.
 
Different strokes.

Thats fine. The build I put up has a higher learning curve, and is not intended for beginners or intermediates. The Straight SS/duration build is easy to learn, and is what is called a "foos" strategy, in the game design industry.

The build i put will net you more reward, but will be difficul/near  impossible for a beginner/intermediate to master within a reasonable time frame

Also, at the advanced level, what Bacon said is pretty much on point.... A bit terse with little expansion, but its on point

[THOUGHTBLUDGEON]

Original Stikman wrote...
Also, at the advanced level, what Bacon said is pretty much on point.... A bit terse with little expansion, but its on point

Yeh, I think that's the groove I couldn't find.  I found a nice groove with the krogan though - charge, pirahna, reload, rinse, repeat.  I was looking for a similar groove with Shadow, but couldn't find it - so I went back to short cooldown cloaked double SS spam.

There's a rhythm to certain characters.

[Original Twigman]

THOUGHTBLUDGEON wrote...

Original Stikman wrote...
Also, at the advanced level, what Bacon said is pretty much on point.... A bit terse with little expansion, but its on point

Yeh, I think that's the groove I couldn't find.  I found a nice groove with the krogan though - charge, pirahna, reload, rinse, repeat.  I was looking for a similar groove with Shadow, but couldn't find it - so I went back to short cooldown cloaked double SS spam.

There's a rhythm to certain characters.

well, let me give you some actual useful advice, as i realize providing my build is of no use to you considering that its probably not applicable for you, right now.

as an experiment, lose the Efficiency Consumable in the armor equipment, your cooldown is alread at 200%, so you can already SS once every 2.5 seconds or so, and with the consumable, it only grants you a .3 second difference, which isn't a whole lot. Replace it with a power amp module for up to 50% more power damage

On top of that, considering you don't shoot your gun that much, if you equp an eviscerator X with an omni blade gear, you will do even more damage with shadow strike than the power amp/melee stunner you have on now.

You can "get rid of" the weight penalty that omni blade gives you by being in the lobby, pressing "Y" (if on console) to go into the "character select" section, and the click on the shadow again. It will keep the omni-blade bonus, but remove the weight addition. You can check this by looking at your powers with the omni blade on without the bug, then do the bug and check your powers again. *note, that if you go back to your weapons screen, it will re-add the weight penalty.

**note, the omni blade 50% bonus to melee is multiplicative, which is greater than the 50% total melee/power bonus additive bonus of the pistol mods.

thus, you can keep your 200% (if you insist on it, but will learn, in time, that its not necessary), do more damage (with power amp and omni-blade), at a greater efficiency