GHNR wrote...
CDR David Shepard wrote...
Why do the characters who hooked up have an inability to face the camera?
Wait, then who did Grunt hook up with? Has our little tank-bred grown up that much?
mtmercydave09 wrote...
It is what it is though, I just hope Bioware/EA learned from this and do better with the next ME, but since EA still owns them I don't have real high hopes for that.
Got to love MEHEM and fan fiction though, those help a ton.
Adoramei wrote...
mtmercydave09 wrote...
It is what it is though, I just hope Bioware/EA learned from this and do better with the next ME, but since EA still owns them I don't have real high hopes for that.
Got to love MEHEM and fan fiction though, those help a ton.
Unfortunately, they didn't learn from DA2. It's the same type of blob-ending with a few tweaks. So I can't assume that they'll learn from ME3. I know that the fan outrage for both game endings were pretty prominent. So now, we all live in the world of headcanon and fanfics. I've never felt forced to do that with a game before just to get closure. Only enticed because I wasn't ready to let go of the characters yet and enjoyed it that much. You know?
I suggest doing Renegade. Some of the lines just scream "FemShep should be saying me".mtmercydave09 wrote...
I've yet to do a femShep, I just might have to.
Adoramei wrote...
Jassu1979 wrote...
Funkdrspot wrote...
I might add that the lack of suspense applies to recurring movies like 007. I literally have ZERO suspense when watching a Bond movie because his survival is a given. The only suspense comes from seeing HOW he'll survive.
Of course, the same applies to a film where the protagonist's death is pretty much a given. Heroic martyrdom has become such a tired cliché in recent years!
I agree, Jassu. Edgy is overdone these days, and that's from a fan of comic books. Either way, they stated ahead of time that it was the end of Shepard's story. So regardless, they could have given the option for a less obvious ending. The real challenge would have been to end Shepard's story in a way that gives the fans closure without throwing away the 100+ hours of work they'd put in per playthrough. They had a blank slate in front of them. They didn't have to kill Shepard off.
Sure, yes, I don't want an overly explained ending. But even something as simple as Dragon Age: Origin's ending was a lot more satisfying to me. Of course, we all take over with a bit of headcanon- as it should be. But the endings are to the point where they really don't give much closure at all- even with Destroy, where Shepard lives.
Actually, the fact that Shepard lives in one of the endings at all gives it that survival suspense, no?
The suspense could have ended there. We're not watching a movie. We're playing a game where we have control. Where we're supposed to have a say in how things go- at least somewhat. Yes, there can be twists, but a lazy twist with an ending that just screams, "WE RAN OUT OF TIME!!" .. I mean, man. Introducing the all-powerful, omniscient "true bad guy" in the last few minutes is boring and contrived. At least in my opinion. I feel absolutely no connection with the ending. It was not effective.
robertthebard wrote...
I suggest doing Renegade. Some of the lines just scream "FemShep should be saying me".mtmercydave09 wrote...
I've yet to do a femShep, I just might have to.
I agree in principle, but not in practice. Check out the DA 2 forums if you want to know what I mean. The Warden was supposed to be an introduction to the DA universe, and now, they can't escape him/her. It might have been better to kill them off at the end, and start the next IP. There have already been posts that the ME universe can't continue w/out Shepard here.Getorex wrote...
It is a big mistake to "end" a popular character to any series. You don't "end" them, not with finality. You leave room for a possible, maybe someday, return of the character(s). You don't HAVE to bring him back but you leave room so he COULD. Time will pass, writers and developers will come and go, someone will have fresh new ideas that scream "perfect for the character WE CLOSED OFF". Oops. You end the story coherently and solidly but NOT with finality that cannot be walked back from. BIG mistake.
But then again, what's wrong with keeping the Warden (and/or Shepard)? As both stories are INCREDIBLY character-driven, it is not primarily the setting that defines the "core identity" of these games - it's the protagonists and their relationships with the supporting cast.robertthebard wrote...
I agree in principle, but not in practice. Check out the DA 2 forums if you want to know what I mean. The Warden was supposed to be an introduction to the DA universe, and now, they can't escape him/her. It might have been better to kill them off at the end, and start the next IP. There have already been posts that the ME universe can't continue w/out Shepard here.
Jassu1979 wrote...
But then again, what's wrong with keeping the Warden (and/or Shepard)? As both stories are INCREDIBLY character-driven, it is not primarily the setting that defines the "core identity" of these games - it's the protagonists and their relationships with the supporting cast.robertthebard wrote...
I agree in principle, but not in practice. Check out the DA 2 forums if you want to know what I mean. The Warden was supposed to be an introduction to the DA universe, and now, they can't escape him/her. It might have been better to kill them off at the end, and start the next IP. There have already been posts that the ME universe can't continue w/out Shepard here.
Take that away, replace it with a new set of previously unknown protagonists, and what you end up with is a gutted version of what defined the series to begin with.
What defined Mass Effect so far wasn't the gunfights, or the technology, or the alien races.
It was the CHARACTERS and their story.
Right now, I cannot think of any way of successfully retaining ME's "core identity" with a new cast. And I feel a certain pity for whatever new lead they bring into the game - because no matter how well written she/he will be, it simply won't be Mass Effect any longer.
Modifié par Repzik, 10 avril 2013 - 08:57 .
its wierd, this could be the last photo they'll ever get with these guys depending on the war and instead they look at one other person.CDR David Shepard wrote...
Why do the characters who hooked up have an inability to face the camera?
Repzik wrote...
We started with unknown protaganists. Characters are important, but more important are the plot that they drive that drives them. I'd say that everything builds into the core identity of the game; characters, setting, music, themes, plot: it's all part of it. However, you can't have characters last forever in well crafted stories; it degrades the quality of the character until they become stale. If we played a hundred games with the same characters, would you still enjoy them? Would saving the galaxy feel special, if Shepard saved it one hundred times?
To point to a franchise that doesn't rely on reoccuring characters, just look at the Fallout series. Fallouts 1, 2, and New Vegas have largely different casts of characters, with only a few reoccuring occasionally (and those are usually small roles, like Doctor Henry and Marcus). However, each game is distinctly Fallout, giving us another adventure with memorable characters in a post-Apocalyptic world.
That said, New Vegas isn't 2. You can't have the same experience again, nothing will ever be the same. That's how life is; everything's in flux. If they were to release the next Mass Effect, with the same crew and the story of Shepard defeating the Reapers again, defeating them wouldn't be interesting or hold meaning. The Fallout games, however, change and grow with the developers and the times (for instance, Fallout 1 is more about surviving the post-apocalypse in finding a water chip, while New Vegas is about who controls and leads the development of the Mojave).
A good example of what Mass Effect could be is Bioshock; while the first game was clever, interesting, and fresh with a unique story and setting, Bioshock 2 felt stale. Rapture was done, the first game had tied up pretty much every loose end. The rehashing of the themes and story structure, such as the mandatory familial twist and the ramblings of an important political leader displaying a certain ideology weren't as interesting: we'd just seen it and dealt with it in the first game. It had lost it's power.
tl;dr: If it was the same, it'd get boring. Fallout is a good example of change in a franchise, Bioshock isn't. Any attempt to maintain the exact feel of the original series is impossible, and doomed to fail. Instead, attempts should be made to make something fresh.
I'm of the idea that cutting ties to the original trilogy is the only way a sequel could work. Have it set long after the trilogy, to the point where even the long-lived characters like Wrex or Liara are dead. Build the game up with a new introduction to the setting, a new protagonist (bricks need not apply), a new cast of characters and for the love of all that is holy, a well-planned plot.Melierax wrote...
I have to agree with Jassu, in the end, they will make the same mistake as they did before with DA2. Bioware (or EA?) will destroy the fascination of Mass Effect by neglecting/ignoring the original group/squad. Maybe they should not call their new game "Mass Effect" in any way, because Mass Effect is Shepard, and even more, her/his friends.
Indy_S wrote...
I'm of the idea that cutting ties to the original trilogy is the only way a sequel could work. Have it set long after the trilogy, to the point where even the long-lived characters like Wrex or Liara are dead. Build the game up with a new introduction to the setting, a new protagonist (bricks need not apply), a new cast of characters and for the love of all that is holy, a well-planned plot.Melierax wrote...
I have to agree with Jassu, in the end, they will make the same mistake as they did before with DA2. Bioware (or EA?) will destroy the fascination of Mass Effect by neglecting/ignoring the original group/squad. Maybe they should not call their new game "Mass Effect" in any way, because Mass Effect is Shepard, and even more, her/his friends.
Modifié par Getorex, 10 avril 2013 - 01:01 .
Diurdi wrote...
What made Mass Effect great wasn't the story, not even the Mass Effect universe. It was the characters.
It's sad that they aren't making more content around Shepard, because it's pretty clear that there's a lot of demand for that.
Jassu1979 wrote...
But then again, what's wrong with keeping the Warden (and/or Shepard)? As both stories are INCREDIBLY character-driven, it is not primarily the setting that defines the "core identity" of these games - it's the protagonists and their relationships with the supporting cast.robertthebard wrote...
I agree in principle, but not in practice. Check out the DA 2 forums if you want to know what I mean. The Warden was supposed to be an introduction to the DA universe, and now, they can't escape him/her. It might have been better to kill them off at the end, and start the next IP. There have already been posts that the ME universe can't continue w/out Shepard here.
Take that away, replace it with a new set of previously unknown protagonists, and what you end up with is a gutted version of what defined the series to begin with.
What defined Mass Effect so far wasn't the gunfights, or the technology, or the alien races.
It was the CHARACTERS and their story.
Right now, I cannot think of any way of successfully retaining ME's "core identity" with a new cast. And I feel a certain pity for whatever new lead they bring into the game - because no matter how well written she/he will be, it simply won't be Mass Effect any longer.
robertthebard wrote...
Which ending are you going to force on everyone else? The only one that could conceivably work is Destroy. In the rest, there really is no Shepard.
Getorex wrote...
anorling noted that he easily let go of Shepard. Sure, I can too but not in any game called Mass Effect. Shepard (and the main crew, Ash, Liara, Tali, Garrus, Wrex) DEFINES Mass Effect. Individually and together they are the heart and soul of Mass Effect. So, yeah, outside of anything called "Mass Effect" I can let go of Shepard but to me anything labeled "Mass Effect" that lacks these characters isn't really Mass Effect. It is something else, a copycat.
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