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[Noctis Augustus]

Sauruz wrote...

Is death even a thing in the Dragon Age universe? Can people actually die or do they just pass out for a while like in the Elder Scrolls universe?

... Those are important characters. Are you stupid and/or a troll? In DA it's even more conditioned, as you can't kill anyone who doesn't attack you first.

[Legion 2.5]

I support this, as long as they find a reason how she survived, but heck, Flemeth, Anders, and Leliana all escaped death so why not her?

[Tinu]

I haven't read the comics yet, but this name (Yavana) is another reference to Tolkien?

[Bfler]

TinuHawke wrote...

I haven't read the comics yet, but this name (Yavana) is another reference to Tolkien?

In the Silmarillion is a woman called Yavanna, who is responsible for the growing things in nature and she also creates two famous trees of light. Could be a reference to this  woman

Modifié par Bfler, 09 avril 2013 - 03:10 .

[RaidenXS]

Osena109 wrote...

Chiramu wrote...

Flemeth sealed part of herself in the amulet that she gave to Hawke so that's why she didn't die.

Would Yavana be able to see as far as Flemeth? I don't know, she's not as old as she is so she wouldn't have as much power or wisdom.

She could have done something with the rest of her life force though, as she was bleeding out she could have cast blood magic in some way.

Agreed It makes me wonder why Yavana life was spared and morrigan was to be Flemeths new host

I thought morrigans role was to birth the OGB not necessarily be the new host body

[Nightdragon8]

ibbikiookami wrote...

Sauruz wrote...

Is death even a thing in the Dragon Age universe? Can people actually die or do they just pass out for a while like in the Elder Scrolls universe?

... Those are important characters. Are you stupid and/or a troll? In DA it's even more conditioned, as you can't kill anyone who doesn't attack you first.

not really a troll considering Leliana and Anders can both "die" in peoples games and come back in DA2

[Noctis Augustus]

Nightdragon8 wrote...

ibbikiookami wrote...

Sauruz wrote...

Is death even a thing in the Dragon Age universe? Can people actually die or do they just pass out for a while like in the Elder Scrolls universe?

... Those are important characters. Are you stupid and/or a troll? In DA it's even more conditioned, as you can't kill anyone who doesn't attack you first.

not really a troll considering Leliana and Anders can both "die" in peoples games and come back in DA2

I was talking about the Elder Scrolls comment.

[Boss Fog]

I'd like to see her. I was never a huge fan of Morrigan so I prefer Yavana to her by default simply because she's not so ridiculously rude. She'd make a good healer, seeing as how she healed Varric and Isabela quite efficiently and effectively.

Also, who cares if Alistair stabbed her. Not everyone has King Alistair as their canon Alistair. She also seems to be an very experienced and wise mage. Who knows what type of life saving techniques she has in store?

[Face of Evil]

I would note that just because the comics are about one specific series of events, it doesn’t mean that the events depicted don’t occur in broad strokes some other way.
For instance, King Alistair stabs Yavana in the comics when he gets tired of her bull****. But the story doesn’t necessarily NEED an Alistair who is king to happen. It could just as easily star Grey Warden Alistair hunting down information on his father. You could easily replace Isabela and Varric with two equally competent Grey Warden companions, such as his lovely girlfriend.
Or if Alistair is dead or a drunk, then perhaps Yavana gets the axe from Prince Claudio Valisti, who’s also out to kill her. Maybe they killed each other.
The point is that Yavana is probably dead, no matter what. If David Gaider was interested in using her further, he likely wouldn’t have Alistair gut her.

[Knight of Dane]

Osena109 wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

ibbikiookami wrote...

Yes please. Besides I only count games as cannon. There is no king Alistair in my Thedas, he's a Grey Warden.

So she should be an optional companion, like Garrus and Tali, only that in this case a choice completely unrelated to the character in question (which probably didn't even exist at the moment) would decide which player could have this companion? Or are you saying that the comic should be considered as completely non-relevant to the game, no matter your choices about Alistair (and Isabela, I'd guess)?
I say no to optional companion, expecially depending on choices that are completely unrelated to a certain character. If we want a Witch of the Wilds as a companion, I'm sure there are others in Thedas that could join us.

The hard canon is Alistair is King and the Warden is human 

No

[Fredward]

Nope. She's dead.

[Rawgrim]

Face of Evil wrote...


I would note that just because the comics are about one specific series of events, it doesn’t mean that the events depicted don’t occur in broad strokes some other way.
For instance, King Alistair stabs Yavana in the comics when he gets tired of her bull****. But the story doesn’t necessarily NEED an Alistair who is king to happen. It could just as easily star Grey Warden Alistair hunting down information on his father. You could easily replace Isabela and Varric with two equally competent Grey Warden companions, such as his lovely girlfriend.
Or if Alistair is dead or a drunk, then perhaps Yavana gets the axe from Prince Claudio Valisti, who’s also out to kill her. Maybe they killed each other.
The point is that Yavana is probably dead, no matter what. If David Gaider was interested in using her further, he likely wouldn’t have Alistair gut her.

You can use this reasoning about all the characters in the DA universe.

Just because Hawke spares anders, doesn`t mean someone else doesn`t kill him as soon as Hawke has turned his back to him etc

[Face of Evil]

Rawgrim wrote...

You can use this reasoning about all the characters in the DA universe.

Just because Hawke spares anders, doesn`t mean someone else doesn`t kill him as soon as Hawke has turned his back to him etc

I don't really understand what you're trying to say here.

DG has said that the comics are their own canon. If they match up to your game, great. If not, then events occured in a different way. That's not the same as "These things don't match my game, so they never happened."

If I travel back in time and shoot Hitler as a child, that will prevent World War II from occuring in the exact same way, but it doesn't mean a conflict known as World War II will never happen.

If she's dead in the lead writer's own head canon, the likelihood of her ever appearing again — especially as a party member — is slim.

(Though it might be cool if she appeared and turned out to be Flemeth in disguise. I'd buy that for a dollar.)

Modifié par Face of Evil, 10 avril 2013 - 04:55 .

[Osena109]

Knight of Dane wrote...

Osena109 wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

ibbikiookami wrote...

Yes please. Besides I only count games as cannon. There is no king Alistair in my Thedas, he's a Grey Warden.

So she should be an optional companion, like Garrus and Tali, only that in this case a choice completely unrelated to the character in question (which probably didn't even exist at the moment) would decide which player could have this companion? Or are you saying that the comic should be considered as completely non-relevant to the game, no matter your choices about Alistair (and Isabela, I'd guess)?
I say no to optional companion, expecially depending on choices that are completely unrelated to a certain character. If we want a Witch of the Wilds as a companion, I'm sure there are others in Thedas that could join us.

The hard canon is Alistair is King and the Warden is human 

No

It is known i speck the truth the  deault dragon age  2 back story is human warden that put his friend on throne

[Karlone123]

Osena109 wrote...

sandalisthemaker wrote...

I could just see it now. All of the die-hard Morrigan fans would be pissed off that they included her sister instead of bringing Morrigan back.
Plus Yavana is dead.

Not dead  just bleeding

Must be bleeding VERY slowly then in time for DAI.

[I Like Cats And]

That'd actually be cool. She is purdyyyy. She was killed in something that isn't cannon, and even if that was cannon it's not like the writers aren't terrible and will bring her back because reasons.

[Neoleviathan]

If she lived, maybe it has something to do with those Dragons. Flemeth was interested in them. Apparantly the Old God's were something like Dragons themselves, tying dragons to Darkspawn in a way. And near the end of Broken Circle a bunch of dragons show up top floor of the tower, so dragons have some connection with Demons then or atleast that told me they must have. I wonder if Yevana could have made it so that she'd be reborn within a Dragon in a similar manner to an Archdemon. If Dragons have similar abilities to Old Gods & she found away to use it for herself, with all these connections to God-like beings & Fade spirits then anything could be possible.

[Karlone123]

I honestly do not think Yavana will be present in DAI (maybe referenced at least), I mean the expanded universe rarely ties into the main series and adding Yavana in the game to be seen would change that. But you never know I may be wrong.

[Bedevil123]

They could pull a Samara/Morinth with Yavana and Morrigan. lol.

[FINE HERE]

Osena109 wrote...

Knight of Dane wrote...

Osena109 wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

ibbikiookami wrote...

Yes please. Besides I only count games as cannon. There is no king Alistair in my Thedas, he's a Grey Warden.

So she should be an optional companion, like Garrus and Tali, only that in this case a choice completely unrelated to the character in question (which probably didn't even exist at the moment) would decide which player could have this companion? Or are you saying that the comic should be considered as completely non-relevant to the game, no matter your choices about Alistair (and Isabela, I'd guess)?
I say no to optional companion, expecially depending on choices that are completely unrelated to a certain character. If we want a Witch of the Wilds as a companion, I'm sure there are others in Thedas that could join us.

The hard canon is Alistair is King and the Warden is human 

No

It is known i speck the truth the  deault dragon age  2 back story is human warden that put his friend on throne

Um... there are three default backgrounds for DA2, not just the human warden one... And the comic book/novel cannon is not the cannon for the video games...

Also, who is Yavana??  

[Face of Evil]

FINE HERE wrote...

Also, who is Yavana??  

A witch from The Silent Grove, one of the new Dragon Age comic books. One of Flemeth's daughters. Operates in Antiva. She was the one who brought the dragons back to Thedas.

Modifié par Face of Evil, 10 avril 2013 - 09:36 .

[Mercedes-Benz]

ibbikiookami wrote...

Yes please. Besides I only count games as cannon. There is no king Alistair in my Thedas, he's a Grey Warden.

In my Thedas my Warden is the King of Ferelden, Anora is the Queen of Ferelden, and Alistair is dead,  so Yavana should definitely be alive in my Dragon Age 3 playthroughs.

Modifié par Mercedes-Benz, 11 avril 2013 - 12:32 .

[Zack_Nero]

It be nice, not going to lie

[Saibh]

Zeldrik1389 wrote...

Imo, Yavana is just a less interesting version of Morrigan. So, I'd rather having Morrigan with me again. Bringing Yavana back from the death, or magically heal her then make her your companion seems odd and forced to me. Hope they come up with good mages companions in DA: I though. DA 2's were terribly annoying (Bethany was the only acceptable one, but she can't be romanced, and not available most of the game

Yep. We've had one Witch of the Wilds. I'd rather a more diverse selection of companions than Morrigan 0.5. She is also apparently very powerful, and I'd prefer not to get a nerfed version of a character. I would like to see her or hear her alluded to, though. 

Honestly, I'm kind of leaning towards 100% new companions.

Modifié par Saibh, 11 avril 2013 - 01:55 .

[azarhal]

Karlone123 wrote...

I honestly do not think Yavana will be present in DAI (maybe referenced at least), I mean the expanded universe rarely ties into the main series and adding Yavana in the game to be seen would change that. But you never know I may be wrong.

Zevran indirectly referenced her in DA:O when he talked about the Witch of the Wilds of Antiva...