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[Sajuro]

I believe Video Games are forms of artistic expression and should be legally protected as such, but are games 'Art'? Are video games, no matter how encompassing their message, Art with a capitol A. What if they aren't, what does it matter then, would that change all of the powerful moments you experienced in video games? All the times that almost or did bring you to tears?

[Isichar]

I admit, I fundamentally don't understand how people can consider movies a form of art but not games. Its one thing to say there is not a single game today that qualifies as art(which is opinion, and one I would strongly disagree with) but to believe that the entire medium is unable to qualify as art is just ridiculous.

A game can literally do everything a movie can do and more. Its the same thing but with interactivity added in, and I dont see how that would disqualify it as art.

[LTD]

Ultimately it mostly depends on how much of a snob you are.


You are half a sleep IRL while in middle of incredibly boring mining run in Eve Online. You are listening the monotonic, steady, regular BZZZZZ BZZZZZ BZZZZZZ of your insignificant tiny mining lasers in the infinite surprisingly colorful and beautiful blackness of space. Suddenly THIS OMG MASSIVE HOLY **** WTH IS THAT grand mothership of all mining barges jumps right on top of you!! Think of openign scene of Star Wars without any action. Eventually it starts gliding further and further away as dude flying it starts doing his own(possibly incredibly boring) thing. As you watch it, this song starts playing.


You listen to it while half a sleep IRL. Feeling very small in infinitely incomprehensibly massive beautiful space. All the while your mining lasors tirelessly go BZZZZ.....BZZZZZZ.....BZZZZZZZZZZ.Over..and over..and over again.  This is the moment when I decided video games are art.

Modifié par LTD, 09 avril 2013 - 07:01 .

[Marixus99.9]

LTD wrote...

Ultimately it mostly depends on how much of a snob which generation you are.

The issue is just opinions flying around anyway. Also you're over dramatizing high-sec mining.

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

If all the Video Games are art, then all the Governments are (consisted of different) social/cultural groups.

[Gibb_Shepard]

Not really.

They are, or at least have the potential to be the best storytellers however.

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

The only people who really care if games are art are the ones who are insecure about their hobby. The ones who flock to any old game that attempts to be "artistic" in order to make themselves look mature and intelligent.

see: childish butthurt over Roger Ebert's (RIP) article.

Alternatively see: "I am not wasting my life writing video game reviews for doritos catering to an audience that cares only about the numerical score at the end. No! Vidya gaems are art!"

When I look at a game, I don't ask "is this game art?", I ask "is this game fun?"

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

Games are PRODUCT nothing more or nothing less.

Modifié par DinoSteve, 09 avril 2013 - 08:06 .

[Nordicus]

They're art, but not all art is good

See: Uwe Boll movies

[Cutlass Jack]

Yes they're art and artists work on each and every one. This is fact, not opinion. Whether or not its good art is where opinions come into play. You aren't required to like something for it to be art.

[Megaton_Hope]

The greatest artistic statement of the modern era was made by Piero Manzoni in his work "Merda d'artista." The work consisted of a series of cans filled, allegedly, with Manzoni's own excrement, and those cans were all valued at the price of an equivalent weight of gold initially. Since Manzoni has now died, the cans currently fetch hundreds of thousands of dollars, for the no-doubt bold statement they make about how credulous the art traders' market is.

Are video games art? Sometimes. Often they are dreck with a long sheet of recommendations. Also true of quite a lot of 'serious' art.

[Urgon]

No they aren't.They are a product.That doesn't mean that games can't be art, but it's not their goal.
Some games can be considered "art", but the majority definetly not.
For something to be considered art has to follow the artistic vision of the creator 100%, even when it's the opposite with what the gamers want. That isn't good business for a game company.
Also in teams of 300 persons, its dificult to have a peronalized artistic vision and theme in the game. Older games with smaller teams managed that better.

[mickey111]

No, art is just another media construct made for getting more moeny out of customers hence why the term is so vague and debatable. The more unclear the definition is, the more people talk about it and the more the media hype it up as some sort of golden standard the more excited people get when Bioshock Infinite is ckalled the Citizen Kane of gaming. And if Bioshock Infinite is considered the Citizen Cane of gaming, then gaming is about as high level of art as comic books.

Modifié par mickey111, 09 avril 2013 - 12:39 .

[The Heretic of Time]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

The term "art" has always been rather poorly-defined and a subject of controversy over what does and doesn't qualify. So I tend to see the term itself as rather meaningless, and the arguments over whether video games count as art or not to be rather pointless (I have similar feelings about the term "RPG").

I agree. Terms like "art" and "RPG" have become too ambiguous to have any significant meaning.

That said, I do acknowledge games as art, or at least the part that I do is art. After all, the name of my study is 3D Game Art.

So yeah, what I do (3d modeling and animation) is art. I don't know about games in general though, and I couldn't care less.

An interesting fact to point out though, is that there is a specific, very small and obsecure sub-genre of video-games called "art games". I suppose art games can be considered art. Theyr'e called art games after all. They're specifically made with the sole purpose to be pieces of art.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Art_game

Modifié par Heretic_Hanar, 09 avril 2013 - 12:44 .

[mickey111]

Isichar wrote...

I admit, I fundamentally don't understand how people can consider movies a form of art but not games.

It can be, yes. It's just that gaming has been reduced to a form of ego stroking and power fantaasy in most cases. Techincally you can call it art I suppose, but the lack of variety is ****ing boring so I only see it as a form of fun and social interaction. Tomb Raider is a game that may have been art if only it were all about the archelogy and inhabitants, but instead they turned Lara into Rambo 2.0, and they didn't even wait for at least an hour into the game before doing that.

Modifié par mickey111, 09 avril 2013 - 12:44 .

[spirosz]

DinoSteve wrote...

Games are PRODUCT nothing more or nothing less.

So wrong. 

[The Heretic of Time]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

Yes they're art and artists work on each and every one. This is fact, not opinion. Whether or not its good art is where opinions come into play. You aren't required to like something for it to be art.

Yes, artists work on games, to create game art. But that doesn't make the game itself art. Not necessarily.

There is a distinction between 'game art' and 'art games'.

Game Art = the graphics, animation and music in games.

Art Games = a small collection of (indie) games specifically made with the sole purpose to be pieces of art.

Modifié par Heretic_Hanar, 09 avril 2013 - 12:49 .

[LTD]

Marixus99.9 wrote...




 Also you're over dramatizing high-sec mining.

Not sure if monotonic, steady, half asleep and incredibly boring are exactly the defining aspects of over dramatization.

[mickey111]

spirosz wrote...

DinoSteve wrote...

Games are PRODUCT nothing more or nothing less.

So wrong. 

aThey just have a very long way to go before reaching the quality standards of books and film.

[The Heretic of Time]

Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

There is no such thing as art.

And thats where you're wrong.

The difference between a piece of art and a toaster is that with art there is creativity involved and a certain goal in mind.

An artist tries to be creative and inspire people, or convey a message with his piece of art. When it the last time you saw a toaster inspiring people or conveying a message?

Indeed, that's the difference between art and a regular product (for example a toaster).