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[viper_veteran]

EntropicAngel wrote...

viper, every company's main objective is to make money. That's what they're for.

If they tell you otherwise (say, Valve, say, CDPR), they're lying to you because it tickles your ears. It makes people "appreciate" them. It...gets them more money.

Outside of non-profits run for charitable causes, the goal of every company is to make money. Period.


But, truly, that's (that there's a "main objective") an incorrect viewpoint. Companies start for lots of reasons--you likely can't really nail it down to just one.

I have already acknowledged that it is fundamentally true that all companies main objective is to make money. It is obvious however when making money is not the main concern. When the main concern is making a game that is the best or even better than a previous version then it shows. For instance Metal Gear Solid is a series where the focus is always placed on the quality of the game first. Kojima has enough confidence in his product that it will make money so making money is not his primary concern.

Modifié par viper_veteran, 11 avril 2013 - 04:00 .

[Anubis_TPF]

The label as Worst is harsh considering EA is in the entertainment business, but it's understandable.

EA has terrible customer service - day one DLC, server issues, Origin's very existence, forcing their developers to change what makes them special, high prices whenever they feel like they can get away with it, etc.

The developers that EA has picked up, like BioWare, are the only reason I have bought any EA games in years. I've even avoided games from developers that I like greatly because EA forces Origin on us now.

I HATE Origin. It's buggy, the software purchased through it is significantly more expensive than it is through Steam, there is no anti-cheat protection, and again the servers are highly unreliable.

[viper_veteran]

ME3 is one although it is good it is evident that there were elements of the game that were rushed and that consequently affected the overall end quality of the game. If the main concern is making a quality game then this would not have occured. For what reason they rushed it out is anyones guess but EA didn't have a problem publishing it.

Didn't they also get in trouble for their labour practices forcing it's employees to work overtime without pay. Naturally if there aren't deadlines etc why would they be forced to work overtime. You can't get the best out of your employees in that kind of environment.

[Surf28]

Anubis_TPF wrote...

The label as Worst is harsh considering EA is in the entertainment business, but it's understandable.

EA has terrible customer service - day one DLC, server issues, Origin's very existence, forcing their developers to change what makes them special, high prices whenever they feel like they can get away with it, etc.

The developers that EA has picked up, like BioWare, are the only reason I have bought any EA games in years. I've even avoided games from developers that I like greatly because EA forces Origin on us now.

I HATE Origin. It's buggy, the software purchased through it is significantly more expensive than it is through Steam, there is no anti-cheat protection, and again the servers are highly unreliable.

^ THIS ......SOOOO THIS

[bmwcrazy]

J. Reezy wrote...

Anubis_TPF wrote...

EA has terrible customer service - day one DLC, server issues, Origin's very existence, forcing their developers to change what makes them special, high prices whenever they feel like they can get away with it, etc.

As long as Steam's very existence also rubs you the wrong way it's cool.

I'm fine with Steam but Origin charges me sales tax whenever I try to buy something.

That's why I have only bought like four or five games from Origin and 280 something games from Steam.

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

EntropicAngel wrote...


Again...

Other companies do just as much Day 1 DLC as EA (ratio wise, of course).



EA doesn't change their developers, from what we know. Give some proof.

1. The excuse everybody else is doing it doesn't work when your a kid and it certainly doesn't work now.

2. you just have to look at the decreased quality and fast turn out of there products.

Modifié par DinoSteve, 11 avril 2013 - 05:03 .

[Allan Schumacher]

I'm fine with Steam but Origin charges me sales tax whenever I try to buy something.

That's why I have only bought like four or five games from Origin and 280 something games from Steam.

Yeah, that is annoying.

Whether or not Origin or Steam charges sales tax depends on where the customer lives. Washington residents have to pay sales tax for Steam purchases, for instance, and I believe if EA has offices in a state then sales tax needs to be charged there. Canada is a bit more fuzzy. There's an idea that in Canada with the way the HST works, because EA Canada is in Burnaby, BC, every province that is a part of the HST system is charged sales tax. I personally think that there might be additional issues simply because of the GST in Canada, because when my dad had his own business and started doing online retailing, he was legally required to charge GST/PST/HST based on the home address of the purchaser. In that sense, it could be a Canadian business thing

Since I live in Alberta, which has an EA office, it's not something I can validate unfortunately.

Whether or not states will continue to not tax online purchases (and whatever legal issues they may have for or against doing that) is certainly not something I can predict.


I'm sure if EA could choose to not charge it, they happily would, since they don't receive any benefit from charging a sales tax.

Modifié par Allan Schumacher, 11 avril 2013 - 05:27 .

[hoorayforicecream]

DinoSteve wrote...

EntropicAngel wrote...


Again...

Other companies do just as much Day 1 DLC as EA (ratio wise, of course).



EA doesn't change their developers, from what we know. Give some proof.

1. The excuse everybody else is doing it doesn't work when your a kid and it certainly doesn't work now.

So you're holding EA to a different standard than the other publishers?

2. you just have to look at the decreased quality and fast turn out of there products.

Which, as you've stated before, isn't by metacritic, and we've already debunked that it isn't by sales, so... how do you measure "decreased quality"? Are you just defining quality as "Games DinoSteve Likes"?

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

hoorayforicecream wrote...

DinoSteve wrote...

EntropicAngel wrote...


Again...

Other companies do just as much Day 1 DLC as EA (ratio wise, of course).



EA doesn't change their developers, from what we know. Give some proof.

1. The excuse everybody else is doing it doesn't work when your a kid and it certainly doesn't work now.

So you're holding EA to a different standard than the other publishers?

2. you just have to look at the decreased quality and fast turn out of there products.

Which, as you've stated before, isn't by metacritic, and we've already debunked that it isn't by sales, so... how do you measure "decreased quality"? Are you just defining quality as "Games DinoSteve Likes"?

1. I'm not as I have stated before EA is the one of the bigger poducers and is seen as one of the leaders and they like to think of them as such, so yes EA deserve the flak.

2. imgur.com/DaV52eb  source www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/17pftd/electronic_arts_suffers_45_million_loss/

[Allan Schumacher]

That Reddit discussion is silly.

Yes, you can argue that making $76 million for a year isn't super much, but it's a lot better than losing $200 million from the year before.

He's trivializing the shift, as EA was definitely a company that was slammed hard with the economic downturn.

The Reddit discussion also undermines your assertion that things are downhill. As evidenced in the Operating Income mentioned in that Reddit discussion, things are going much more uphill year on year compared to the last several years.

It shows that things are improving year on year.

Modifié par Allan Schumacher, 11 avril 2013 - 06:29 .

[Cyonan]

DinoSteve wrote...

1. I'm not as I have stated before EA is the one of the bigger poducers and is seen as one of the leaders and they like to think of them as such, so yes EA deserve the flak.

2. imgur.com/DaV52eb  source www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/17pftd/electronic_arts_suffers_45_million_loss/

How does EA going from 1 billion net loss to 76 million net profit from 2009 to 2012 show that their quality has decreased?

[upsettingshorts]

Arguments citing EA's profits or lack thereof are transparently dishonest. Not a single gamer holds EA in ill regard over its quarter-to-quarter performance. This is about DLC, DRM, and EA's alleged reputation for closing or interfering with beloved developers.

Such claims exist only to shore up an argument that, if complainers were confident that they weren't simply being myopic whiners, wouldn't need shoring up at all. This grasping betrays an implicit acknowledgement that the genuine complaints, such as they are, are not in of themselves enough to justify the absurdity of the Consumerist results.

[Cyonan]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Arguments citing EA's profits or lack thereof are transparently dishonest. Not a single gamer holds EA in ill regard over its quarter-to-quarter performance. This is about DLC, DRM, and EA's alleged reputation for closing or interfering with beloved developers.

Such claims exist only to shore up an argument that, if complainers were confident that they weren't simply being myopic whiners, wouldn't need shoring up at all. This grasping betrays an implicit acknowledgement that the genuine complaints, such as they are, are not in of themselves enough to justify the absurdity of the Consumerist results.

Have they closed anything recently? Most arguments about that state Bullfrog, Origin Systems, and Westwood but those were all a decade ago.

[Xewaka]

Cyonan wrote...
Have they closed anything recently? Most arguments about that state Bullfrog, Origin Systems, and Westwood but those were all a decade ago.

Well, there's the fate of Mythic after the disappointment that was Warhammer Online.

[hoorayforicecream]

Cyonan wrote...

Have they closed anything recently? Most arguments about that state Bullfrog, Origin Systems, and Westwood but those were all a decade ago.

EA closed down Pandemic in 2009. The other studio closures since then have been from other publishers (THQ, LucasArts, Activision, etc.).

Mythic remains open, though they had a reduction in work force also in 2009. 2009 wasn't a good year for EA, they had a lot of layoffs that year (related to the $1 billion in losses or so).

Modifié par hoorayforicecream, 11 avril 2013 - 06:57 .

[wsandista]

J. Reezy wrote...

Anubis_TPF wrote...

EA has terrible customer service - day one DLC, server issues, Origin's very existence, forcing their developers to change what makes them special, high prices whenever they feel like they can get away with it, etc.

As long as Steam's very existence also rubs you the wrong way it's cool.

It does for me!

GOG or GTFO!

[wsandista]

EntropicAngel wrote...

Ninja Stan wrote...

Again, Peter Moore did not place all the blame on "homophobic right wingers." He stated that those people contributed to the votes, but that some of the complaints were legitimate and that some of the reasons for voting for EA (he listed several) were, in his opinion, not legitimate.

In all honesty, Stan, the fact that he placed any on that is a disturbing trend.

How so? EA(who I am not exactly a fan of) has come under the attack of several conservative groups for supporting LGBT rights. Stating that those people(homophobic right wingers) likely contributed to the votes in the poll is not much of a stretch at all.

On the poll itself: It is a public poll that does not represent what everyone in America thinks about "Who is the worst company in America". It doesn't really tell anything new, because I'm fairly certain EA already knows that it is intensely disliked by people who post on the internet.

Edited for spelling errors.

Modifié par wsandista, 11 avril 2013 - 09:52 .

[upsettingshorts]

Most of America probably doesn't know Electronic Arts exists, let alone have an opinion on any of its various related controversies.