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#101
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addiction21 wrote...

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EA didn't say that, they gave other reasons than homophobia. I interpreted that addiction21 said that due to his: “Stay classy gamers.", comment.


Sorry that's a more general statement of anyone taking and using this poll (or most every internet poll) seriously. Maybe I put it in the wrong place.


It's fine. It needed more context due to following your link. Though I'm curious; do you mean serious as in voting for EA over others or thinking this poll will make a change in EA's policies?

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M25105 wrote...

EA’s Top 10 Corporate Pitfalls and What Execs Can Learn From Them


Here is the actual link of the article if anyone is interested.

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Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

I will have to respectfully disagree with the central tenet of your comment. I read Moore's PR statement and it doesn't sound like "we acknowledge that we did wrong" at all. It sounds like "we acknowledge people feel like we did wrong". And whilst someone could come and claim I am talking semantics, for me that is a very definite difference, fundamentally so in fact.

And the entire tone of his little speech reads like "u mad bro?" between the lines.



Ask yourself if you would have still felt the same way if the author was "Allan Schumacher" instead of "Peter Moore, COO of Electronic Arts."

EA is vilified by many people, and are immediately going to go into reading any article with a particular slant (I won't claim to be objective in the matter.  I don't think anyone really is in this case).  I will obviously read into it in a particular slant.

I can understand how you could read the blogpost the way you did.  Can you understand how I can read the blogpost  the way I did?

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For love of all the ****. Doesn't USA have number of different oil spils going at this very moment? Ones that come with exiting attachments such as Exxon(or whomever) forcing some sort of a self made marshall law on location? Don't you have Blackwater and stimilar mercenaries still roaming about in Iraq and wherenot? Gun merchants. Tobacco distribution. Drug comppanies. ABove-the-law banks and bankers. Lizardman-people perfectly ok with putting stellar high pricetag to your health and education. I find it incredibly depressing a goddamned video game publisher has am all beaten. It makes impressive testament of power resting in geeky idle internet rage though.

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CrazyRah wrote...

This is ridiculous.. EA isn't a saint by any means but they are absolutely not the worst company in America. They create video games, a luxuary product. There are far worse companies out there..


QFT

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I wonder how their award is gonna look this time


I think it's just another "Golden Poo" virtual award.

But at this point, I feel doubtful about considering siding with this poll and the people who vote on it.

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Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

I will have to respectfully disagree with the central tenet of your comment. I read Moore's PR statement and it doesn't sound like "we acknowledge that we did wrong" at all. It sounds like "we acknowledge people feel like we did wrong". And whilst someone could come and claim I am talking semantics, for me that is a very definite difference, fundamentally so in fact.

And the entire tone of his little speech reads like "u mad bro?" between the lines.



Ask yourself if you would have still felt the same way if the author was "Allan Schumacher" instead of "Peter Moore, COO of Electronic Arts."

EA is vilified by many people, and are immediately going to go into reading any article with a particular slant (I won't claim to be objective in the matter.  I don't think anyone really is in this case).  I will obviously read into it in a particular slant.

I can understand how you could read the blogpost the way you did.  Can you understand how I can read the blogpost  the way I did?


I don't know Peter Moore and as such have no reason to include personal bias towards that person into my interpretation. The only present bias I have that I can't shake off are those that come from EA practices in general, not individual people. So yes, if you had given that statement in that exact way, I would interprete it the same way.

I can also see some points (only some, because I find that a few points he made are just glaringly wrong, first and foremost the always online requirements not being DRM. That's certified bull****!) being valid. After all, EA is not the worst company around in the US by a long shot. Not even the one with the worst publicity. The only reason they won this "award" is them angering the one demographic that is most adapt at the internet medium and hence would find and use such internet polls.


If I were to point at a single thing that makes my entire perception, then it's credibility. Over the past years, EA has done marvelous work (and I can't stress that enough, the amount of bogus EA has done over the past years is astonishing, it has reached almost artistic levels of surreality at times, think the Dead Space 2 marketing campaign!). And if that wasn't already enough to sour any individual statement from being taken sincerely, the fact that EA even continues to display ambivalent degrees of sincerity in its statements nullifies any attempt of credibility.

If people say left is right, and right is left at the same time I will ignore their statement and fall back to previous history to build my opinion. And previous history shows impreferable performances.




I am far from being unbiased and I always try to be fair in my judgement, hearing both sides and exchanging arguments for both factions. I give second and third chances. But in the end, EA has already taken to requiring fourth, fifth and sixth chances and they are still not getting better as far as I can tell.

EA has ruined its own reputation fair and square. It will require fair and square work to counter that.

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Allan Schumacher wrote...

Ask yourself if you would have still felt the same way if the author was "Allan Schumacher" instead of "Peter Moore, COO of Electronic Arts."


I can't speak for Neofelis Nebulosa but yes, I would.

In fact, I'd even ask you to quit doing PR and making the situation worse for yourself. Just do your job and ask the programmers to fix the games to keep your customers happy.

Allan Schumacher wrote...

I can understand how you could read the blogpost the way you did. Can you understand how I can read the blogpost the way I did?


Of course. After all you work for the company that you are proud of and they pay your salary.

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It is also possible that people on the Internet are not as affiliated with Bank of America than EA, so they vote for EA.

Modifié par Overdosing, 09 avril 2013 - 09:49 .


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legion999 wrote...

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I just wish this were a worldwide competition, because then it would have opened things up for stunningly incompetent companies like TEPCO - you remember them and the meltdowns in three reactors at their nuclear power plant in Fukushima, right? And how they completely ignored warnings about potential tsunami wave heights (and basically lied about it later), resulting in the plant being built in a location that wasn't actually safe?

I think EA deserves to be slagged for the issues over SimCity for sure. But to put things in perspective, there are much worse companies in this world than EA. *points at TEPCO again*


There are much worse companies in America than EA. No need to look at the rest of the world.


Someone did mention Monsanto earlier. THAT is one American company that deserves a place on the list of worst companies - maybe even the top spot. I've seen quite a few documentaries about them, and they infuriate me more than any game publisher could ever manage to do (although I was certainly a bit peeved with Ubisoft over the always-on requirement that initially caused some issues for me while playing Splinter Cell: Conviction).

I'm not anti-GMO by any means - I think GMOs have their place if developed wisely, like how UHM here in Hawaii created a GMO papaya that was resistant to the papaya ringspot virus. However, some of the things Monsanto has done have been stupid. Just google for articles about Monsanto Roundup resistance, super weeds, BT resistance, etc. Plus, they treat farmers like dirt and basically strongarm them into using their products.

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I will admit that EA is not the best company.

But there are far worse businesses out there.

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Allan Schumacher wrote...

That statement is worrying, all it says to me is that EA don't know or are just ignoring why people hate them.


Just to be clear, because this comes up a lot: Moore acknowledges we need to do better with our fans.

I can understand challenging the idea of "Always Online isn't DRM" (you can argue it's irrelevant if people are feeling the service isn't providing).


First of all woooo you actually read what I posted, I thought ye didn't care unless people where being douches and second, I read and reread that statement and I'm sorry but it just reads as him telling us rather smugly that the things we are concerned about aren't going to change and that we are wrong not to like multiplayer in every game, microtransactions, and the DRM thats not really DRM but is, only has a different name.

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AtreiyaN7 wrote...

legion999 wrote...

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

I just wish this were a worldwide competition, because then it would have opened things up for stunningly incompetent companies like TEPCO - you remember them and the meltdowns in three reactors at their nuclear power plant in Fukushima, right? And how they completely ignored warnings about potential tsunami wave heights (and basically lied about it later), resulting in the plant being built in a location that wasn't actually safe?

I think EA deserves to be slagged for the issues over SimCity for sure. But to put things in perspective, there are much worse companies in this world than EA. *points at TEPCO again*


There are much worse companies in America than EA. No need to look at the rest of the world.


Someone did mention Monsanto earlier. THAT is one American company that deserves a place on the list of worst companies - maybe even the top spot. I've seen quite a few documentaries about them, and they infuriate me more than any game publisher could ever manage to do (although I was certainly a bit peeved with Ubisoft over the always-on requirement that initially caused some issues for me while playing Splinter Cell: Conviction).

I'm not anti-GMO by any means - I think GMOs have their place if developed wisely, like how UHM here in Hawaii created a GMO papaya that was resistant to the papaya ringspot virus. However, some of the things Monsanto has done have been stupid. Just google for articles about Monsanto Roundup resistance, super weeds, BT resistance, etc. Plus, they treat farmers like dirt and basically strongarm them into using their products.



Great documentary on youtube on Monsanto, though I'm sure you've seen it, but those that haven't, try googling "The world according to Monsanto" full version.

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You know your company is top quality when the best thing people can say about it is that you aren't literally killing people and destroying the Earth. I mean EA is just ripping off millions of people by knowingly selling broken products!

Those scamps just need a pat on the wrist and they'll straighten up and fly right!

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Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

Allan Schumacher wrote...

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I will have to respectfully disagree with the central tenet of your comment. I read Moore's PR statement and it doesn't sound like "we acknowledge that we did wrong" at all. It sounds like "we acknowledge people feel like we did wrong". And whilst someone could come and claim I am talking semantics, for me that is a very definite difference, fundamentally so in fact.

And the entire tone of his little speech reads like "u mad bro?" between the lines.



Well, what we could say about it, is that, whatever, P.M.'s statement wasn't particularly well conceived or written, and that it wasn't a success.
The reasons for that could be that he doesn't have a clue. That they don't really have a grasp of their situation. The theory, that the leadership does not understand, also fits well with their inability to get their act together, despite this having going on for many, many years now. I think they simply do not understand their market. Not at all.

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adneate wrote...

You know your company is top quality when the best thing people can say about it is that you aren't literally killing people and destroying the Earth. I mean EA is just ripping off millions of people by knowingly selling broken products!

Those scamps just need a pat on the wrist and they'll straighten up and fly right!


True. If a company that creates products meant to entertain and make people happy needs to even be compared to those that result in injury, harm or even death, then they are doing an incredibly terrible job of managing their brand name and PR.

Modifié par Fast Jimmy, 09 avril 2013 - 10:12 .


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EA isn't the worst company in America by far, but the fact they can make it onto the list means they are extremely lacking in good PR. Perhaps they think their products can stand for themselves but they can't, which does them no favors.

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adneate wrote...

knowingly selling broken products!

Source?

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Considering how other companies (i.e. banks, food product dispensers, multinational corporations) have a worse track record in regards when it comes to harm to their consumers, I'd say EA's mistakes are pretty mild.

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Maverick827 wrote...

adneate wrote...

knowingly selling broken products!

Source?


One could argue the SimCity debacle. Even as their servers were overloaded and knowing they could not handle the load, preventing people from even being able to play, sales were not suspended. They were working to fix said broken product, but they never stopped selling copies of that broken product. 

The same thing could be said of ME3 after they announced the Extended Cut. They acknowledged that their endings were not complete enough, that they would finish and make the ending available for free, but they never discontinued sales of said incomplete story before the "fix" was in place. 

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bEVEsthda wrote...

Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

Allan Schumacher wrote...

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I will have to respectfully disagree with the central tenet of your comment. I read Moore's PR statement and it doesn't sound like "we acknowledge that we did wrong" at all. It sounds like "we acknowledge people feel like we did wrong". And whilst someone could come and claim I am talking semantics, for me that is a very definite difference, fundamentally so in fact.

And the entire tone of his little speech reads like "u mad bro?" between the lines.



Well, what we could say about it, is that, whatever, P.M.'s statement wasn't particularly well conceived or written, and that it wasn't a success.
The reasons for that could be that he doesn't have a clue. That they don't really have a grasp of their situation. The theory, that the leadership does not understand, also fits well with their inability to get their act together, despite this having going on for many, many years now. I think they simply do not understand their market. Not at all.


That EA doesn't understand how they stand and what exactly their demographic is, least of all what that demographic wants is evident. More alarming is that EA seems to genuinely believe they DO understand all that however. It's like willingly hopping down the Niagara falls because you just expect there's something catching you before you go splat.

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Utterly stupid. People forced out of their homes is, apparently, of less importance than the launch problems of SimCity and the dubious business practices of a luxury product manufacturer. Sigh, practically the definition of 'first world problems'.


Standard misdirection. Other people being bad does not automatically make you good. 

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Fast Jimmy wrote...

Maverick827 wrote...

adneate wrote...

knowingly selling broken products!

Source?


One could argue the SimCity debacle. Even as their servers were overloaded and knowing they could not handle the load, preventing people from even being able to play, sales were not suspended. They were working to fix said broken product, but they never stopped selling copies of that broken product.


They did halt all online advertising and pulled all links to SimCity sales. You could argue it wasn't enough, but it isn't like they just kept chugging blissfully along while the thing was happening.

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Of course. After all you work for the company that you are proud of and they pay your salary.


Sweet, I'm just a shill!

Thanks! ^_^

At least EA grants you the place to vent about it (these forums).

But then, we're all about silenting dissent (which is why this thread is still open and whatnot).

Modifié par Allan Schumacher, 09 avril 2013 - 10:29 .


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They did halt all online advertising and pulled all links to SimCity sales. You could argue it wasn't enough, but it isn't like they just kept chugging blissfully along while the thing was happening.


Agreed. I wasn't totally in agreement with the original opinion, but I felt it was worth pointing out.

Modifié par Fast Jimmy, 09 avril 2013 - 10:27 .