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[Melierax]

arathor_87 wrote...

I don't want a new game with Shepard, I just want better endings and a happy one. I would have no problem to move on to a new Mass Effect game and new protagonist if they fixed the endings. But it wont happen, and therefore I won't buy the new Mass Effect game.

For me Shepard is Mass Effect. But if they gave ME3 better endings it wouldn't be so hard to move on to a new protagonist. Oh, well that's just my opinion. : )

I like that opinion

[KoorahUK]

arathor_87 wrote...

I don't want a new game with Shepard, I just want better endings and a happy one. I would have no problem to move on to a new Mass Effect game and new protagonist if they fixed the endings. But it wont happen, and therefore I won't buy the new Mass Effect game.

For me Shepard is Mass Effect. But if they gave ME3 better endings it wouldn't be so hard to move on to a new protagonist. Oh, well that's just my opinion. : )

I do understand and respect that opinion, but perhaps you need to think about what really gives ME its magic. I know many feel that Shep is Mass Effect, but Shep is really just your interface to the ME Galaxy and those characters within it. You have free reign (within narrative constraints) to tell Sheps story but if it wasn't Shepard, but was 'Smith' instead, or 'Jones' or 'Walken' or 'Archer', would it really have made any difference to how you felt? I mean really?

As a player you got to uinfluence which path Shep took. You will do the same with a new protagonist and it won't be any less a Mass Effect experience, it'll just be a different one.

I'm not saying blindly forget your disappointment at how Sheps triology ended, that would be silly, but saying you won't play any new game because of it is somewhat drastic and - I'm sorry to say - pointless. Wait til it comes out, see what people have to say before buying it sure - thats what I'm, going to do no question - buit leave the door open. 

Perhaps the salvation you seek lies ahead of you, not behind.

[arathor_87]

KoorahUK wrote...

arathor_87 wrote...

I don't want a new game with Shepard, I just want better endings and a happy one. I would have no problem to move on to a new Mass Effect game and new protagonist if they fixed the endings. But it wont happen, and therefore I won't buy the new Mass Effect game.

For me Shepard is Mass Effect. But if they gave ME3 better endings it wouldn't be so hard to move on to a new protagonist. Oh, well that's just my opinion. : )

I do understand and respect that opinion, but perhaps you need to think about what really gives ME its magic. I know many feel that Shep is Mass Effect, but Shep is really just your interface to the ME Galaxy and those characters within it. You have free reign (within narrative constraints) to tell Sheps story but if it wasn't Shepard, but was 'Smith' instead, or 'Jones' or 'Walken' or 'Archer', would it really have made any difference to how you felt? I mean really?

As a player you got to uinfluence which path Shep took. You will do the same with a new protagonist and it won't be any less a Mass Effect experience, it'll just be a different one.

I'm not saying blindly forget your disappointment at how Sheps triology ended, that would be silly, but saying you won't play any new game because of it is somewhat drastic and - I'm sorry to say - pointless. Wait til it comes out, see what people have to say before buying it sure - thats what I'm, going to do no question - buit leave the door open. 

Perhaps the salvation you seek lies ahead of you, not behind.

The name argument has to be the worst argument ever. But I won't buy the new Mass Effect game when it comes out. Bioware failed with the endings in ME3, they failed with DA2 and they failed with SWToR. And you know why? They don’t listen to negative feedback. They promised a lot of things in ME3, promises that were broken.

And I won't leave the door open. I can't play a new game in the same franchise if I feel that the last game was incomplete and underwhelming. And I said earlier, I have no problem with a new protagonist if the last chapter in the trilogy feels completed. And if it doesn't, I know that I won't enjoy a new protagonist. For me it will be less a Mass Effect experience thanks to that.

For me it's like this. I'm reading a great book. And when I come to the last chapter, the final conclusion of this epic journey I realize that several pages are missing.  The book feels incomplete. Because of this, it will be impossible for me to continue to the new trilogy in the saga.

My point is, even if Mass Effect is more than Shepard, it will be impossible for me to continue. ME3 didn’t get the ending it deserved. And even if Mass Effect is more than Shepard, (s)he will always be the character that introduced me to this world. And thanks to the ending of ME3 Shepard didn’t get the ending (s)he deserved. And people alway,s compared Shepard to the new protagonist. So it will Always remember me how they failed with the ending.
And what gives ME it's magic? Space magic it seems? 

Modifié par arathor_87, 12 avril 2013 - 07:01 .

[CDR David Shepard]

It's too late.

I would have loved more games with Shepard.

However, the Reaper threat needed to end with Shepard...and you really can't make any more games with Shepard without the Reaper threat.

They should have stretched out the point A to point B storyline (point A being the beginning of ME1...point B being the end of ME3) to more than just three games.

[jack253]

I think it's good that Shepard's tale has ended, Because story wise I think the scale could only go downhill from here. I would rather see a new protagonist with a new view on things then dragging out his story. (a cameo based on your shepard's looks and personality would be awesome).

[Torrential]

He's dead, and I've said it before, and I'll say it again

Cameo! Hologram, flashback, whatever.

I called the Omega DLC, I called the citadel DLC.
As a fellow indie game dev I am calling this, and once again you heard it here first

Why? Why throw away such a monumental character, he doesn't need to effect the game, but you have this great opportunity and you can link them no matter the ending. He's dead 100+ years on, no matter what happened, regardless.

So holographs, flashbacks, whatever, might as well capitalise on the character and tie the stories together some how. 

--

That said, would I prefer shepherd, sure, they could do another 3 with this kind of character, just look at his reception. However if he's dead, he's dead, and they need a new one. That is a Massive challenge, they are facing a mountain, how do they match shepherd? How do they put someone close to his kind of impact? Well one idea, give the player a big portion of control as to how the main character acts, this way you diffuse the problem again. (ME 1/ ME2), auto dialogue was reasonably unpopular anyway. Even saying that, you still have a tough job writers, I don't envy you!

Modifié par Torrential, 12 avril 2013 - 07:44 .

[arathor_87]

A cameo would be weird. It would also be impossible to use your custom Shepard in the cameo because they will use Frostbite 3 instead of the Unreal 3 engine in the next game.

Modifié par arathor_87, 12 avril 2013 - 07:43 .

[Torrential]

arathor_87 wrote...

A cameo would be weird. It would also be impossible to use your custom Shepard in the cameo because they will use Frostbite 3 instead of the Unreal 3 engine in the next game.

Absolute nonesense on the later point. If I could program something that took the 3d models/assets from one engine to the next, and I can, you can be darn sure a Developer paid x2 my wage can.

Now please answer why a cameo from one of the defining characters of the series, would be weird? If he's dead and stays dead? Hologram - flashback, memorial etc.

Modifié par Torrential, 12 avril 2013 - 07:46 .

[Reever]

Of course I'd like to see Shepard again, but if this new game is good enough without him/her, let's just move on!

[arathor_87]

Torrential wrote...

arathor_87 wrote...

A cameo would be weird. It would also be impossible to use your custom Shepard in the cameo because they will use Frostbite 3 instead of the Unreal 3 engine in the next game.

Absolute nonesense on the later point. If I could program something that took the 3d models/assets from one engine to the next, and I can, you can be darn sure a Developer paid x2 my wage can.

Now please answer why a cameo from one of the defining characters of the series, would be weird? If he's dead and stays dead? Hologram - flashback, memorial etc.

Maybe it's not impossible but it would be very hard. Think about it. Frostbite 3 is for next generation games that haven't been released yet and Unreal Engine 3 is pretty old. Games from 2007 use the Unreal Engine 3. It would be a waste of time. It would be better if they swallowed their pride and fixed the endings. It would be better to hear people talk about Shepard in the new game instead of seeing him. But I don't really care, I won't buy it anyway.

Modifié par arathor_87, 12 avril 2013 - 08:37 .

[johnj1979]

The only way I would like to Shepard back in Mass Effect 4 is that Mass Effect 4 is part 2 of Mass Effect 3.

[ShadyKat]

Nope, i'm completely fine that Shepard's story is done. It was a fun ride, and I grew to love everyone on the Normandy, but it's time to move on. A new hero, new places to visit, new ship and new companions for ME4.

[Torrential]

arathor_87 wrote...

Torrential wrote...

arathor_87 wrote...

A cameo would be weird. It would also be impossible to use your custom Shepard in the cameo because they will use Frostbite 3 instead of the Unreal 3 engine in the next game.

Absolute nonesense on the later point. If I could program something that took the 3d models/assets from one engine to the next, and I can, you can be darn sure a Developer paid x2 my wage can.

Now please answer why a cameo from one of the defining characters of the series, would be weird? If he's dead and stays dead? Hologram - flashback, memorial etc.

Maybe it's not impossible but it would be very hard. Think about it. Frostbite 3 is for next generation games that haven't been released yet and Unreal Engine 3 is pretty old. Games from 2007 use the Unreal Engine 3. It would be a waste of time. It would be better if they swallowed their pride and fixed the endings. It would be better to hear people talk about Shepard in the new game instead of seeing him. But I don't really care, I won't buy it anyway.

Lower rez to Higher rez in a hologram, a black/white, a dream, a vision, etc is easier. I've spent the last 2 weeks converting models in various forms, almost solid till we worked out what engine we using, except the last 2 days which I took a break.

A waste of time to get shepherd in the game? Have you honestly, your own view aside, observed how much of a postive reaction the character of shepherd got? Why would they not use one of their most marketable assets?

What has any of this to do with the endings.100+ years on He's dead, so he's dead, end of. Many flashbacks are possible, there are so many threads of story, pick the most talked about and use that as the flashback.

You don't care? If you are not even going to buy it why do you comment/care? Why are you here?

Modifié par Torrential, 12 avril 2013 - 09:09 .

[Delacruz]

Why not make a poll for a thread like this?

[Comm1Sheppard]

Count me in:) But i want him/her as a concuil or a leader of the spetcers:)

Modifié par Comm1Sheppard, 12 avril 2013 - 09:56 .

[Gkonone]

I wonder though, and this has been brought up by Getorex in another thread. If you get a new protagonist, how could he or she live up to Shepard's legacy really?
Hero of the Citadel, first human spectre, Reaper killer etc.
How are they gonna match that?

[Delacruz]

Gkonone wrote...

I wonder though, and this has been brought up by Getorex in another thread. If you get a new protagonist, how could he or she live up to Shepard's legacy really?
Hero of the Citadel, first human spectre, Reaper killer etc.
How are they gonna match that?

Make him become the first SuperHero of the citadel, be the first human ever to become a SuperSpectre. And make him kill some SuperReapers. 

[maximusffxii]

I would like to see shepard back in the next ME game, his role in the game wouldn't matter so much. Having him/her back as the main character would be cool, but that could require that character creation system to match those who are importing old sheps, personally the character creation system need to be revamp or done away with. Character appearance was very outdated in ME3 and something new needs to be developed, which might require players to change their New Sheps appearance in ME4

[zqrahll]

Mass Effect 4 will never exist for me, even if they decide to bring back Shepard.

[zeypher]

Im fine with it if they bring him back or go for a new character. Either way only thing that determines my interest is that game is set after me3. Time doesn't matter 10, 20, 500, 50000 don't care just that it should be after me3

[TheStreck]

 I'd love to get one more game with Shepard but I don't think that's going to happen.
I didn't feel Shepard got the ending she/he deserved and I find the "last breath" scene and the "tell me another story about the Shepard" a bit confusing if they won't make another game with Shep in it.
I'm hoping that they'll atleast somehow make it so that you can import your save from the ME trilogy into ME4 and they show you what happend with Shep and the crew, atleast Shep and your LI if you Sheard survived(?) the destroy ending.
I am assuming it will be a sequel.
Either way I just want my FemShep and Liara to have some blue babies and live out their days in peace on Rannoch next door to Tali. 

[N7Avin180]

NovaBlastMarketing wrote...

Always room for more Shep/Ash Shep/Miranda content..... although the general failure of ME3 as a whole and the compete epic failure of the very concept of the endings. combined with  their lackluster treatment of LI's as what seems a general policy does not give me much confidence in the quality of Bioware games in  atm whether or not " ME4" would be another Shepard story or not and that feeling carries over to DAI atm as well

ME3 was a failure? Thats news. OT I wouldnt actually mind another Shep game.

[TheWill]

They should carry on making games set in the mass effect universe... but one last story with shepard on our current consoles would be great... something leading into whatever comes next... with an ending that has shepard putting down his gun and passing the torch onto somebody else...

Make destroy canon... shepard wakes up on earth.. the crucible is a trap.. to waste enemy time and resources.. also to lure all enemy forces to one place to speed up the harvest. Then have the game take place solely on earth as reaper forces and allied forces are matched...in a desperate fight where neither side can win without extinction.
maybe throw in a search for an ancient artifact buried on earth.. possibly beneath london.. a true weapon capable of defeating the reapers.. something maybe created by the leviathans in the their war.. make earth the leviathan homeworld.. humans as their first thrall species... there are always ancient humans in sci-fi isnt there?

Then throw in the rachni and leviathans coming to the rescue right at the end just when things seem doomed and you have yourself a very dark final..twisting.. and awesome fight worthy of saying goodbye to shepard.. well thats what i want anyway...

[conjmk]

A million times yes, Mass Effect is nothing without Shepard.