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[IamZAE]

Asari huntress with tac cloak spec for damage and power damage evolution. Warp, weapon damage in her passives, power amp 4 (stronger warp dot ticks), inciendiery lvl 4, shot gun amp 3, shotgun gear bonus, and the almighty reegar kills single target bosses, faster than EVERYTHNG... Even faster then everyone's beloved asari sentinel, asari huntress weapon output with warp inciendiery can get ephing crazy!!! And i love it all !!!

[ArcaptSSX]

Broken Cloak is not interesting it's just different because it's broken. I think it's bad on a personal note, but also makes a character rely on something quasi-passive(fire DC, forget about it for half a minute) instead of something active.
It's not even that efficient(except on Phantoms), in spite of what the OP thinks.

BjornDaDwarf wrote...

CSMG? No wonder it was taking you multiple cloak cycles. Carry a better weapon and discover what she is truly capable of.

CSMG has great dps as long as you headshot which is very easy with it with a mouse. CSMG+EB/Ext.Mag+ either (Warp+Warp ammo or AP IV ammo) has very sufficient dps on mooks because of headshots, and Harrier dps on armor. Even plat level armor goes down super fast with it.
I regularly get a third of my kills with CSMG on plat, when playing with it on casters (typically HSent and Paladin).

[Bechter]

Deerber wrote...

lightswitch wrote...

Bechter wrote...

If you mean broken as in a Tac Cloak tree that doesn't work properly, that Biower was to lazy/cheap to patch and trys to pass it as a interesting nitch among the inf, then yes I agree with you.

there's no way to fix that without breaking the game...

proper TC + warp + incendiary + reegar = one-clip platinum possessed praetorians.

Dammit, Bioware, y u no make it happen? It would have been fun! ...




For the first game or two.

Yep lets talk about balance and use a example of a known glitch. Wouldn't the Pratorian block the warp with its bubble (Not sure) to block any crazy DOT stacking?

My main beef is there is probably more people who have played the character and have know clue about the tac cloak is not giving weapon damage bonuses than the people on this forum that think it gives them a unique/interesting character.

Also there are people who think the reegar on amy kit breaks the game.

Modifié par Bechter, 10 avril 2013 - 08:46 .

[Deerber]

Bechter wrote...

Deerber wrote...

lightswitch wrote...

Bechter wrote...

If you mean broken as in a Tac Cloak tree that doesn't work properly, that Biower was to lazy/cheap to patch and trys to pass it as a interesting nitch among the inf, then yes I agree with you.

there's no way to fix that without breaking the game...

proper TC + warp + incendiary + reegar = one-clip platinum possessed praetorians.

Dammit, Bioware, y u no make it happen? It would have been fun! ...




For the first game or two.

Yep lets talk about balance and use a example of a known glitch. Wouldn't the Pratorian block the warp with its bubble (Not sure) to block any crazy DOT stacking?

My main beef is there is probably more people who have played the character and have know clue about the tac cloak is not giving weapon damage bonuses than the people on this forum that think it gives them a unique/interesting character.

Sometimes I wonder about you, man...

[Bechter]

What are you questions? I may have answers.

[Deerber]

Bechter wrote...

What are you questions? I may have answers.

I wasn't talking about balance. I just said that it would have been fun to one-clip a platinum praetorian, once in my gaming life. And without stacking thermals. That's all.

Oh and Praetorians don't put the bubble up if they're on the ground. Thought you knew that...

[Bechter]

Deerber wrote...

Bechter wrote...

What are you questions? I may have answers.

I wasn't talking about balance. I just said that it would have been fun to one-clip a platinum praetorian, once in my gaming life. And without stacking thermals. That's all.

Oh and Praetorians don't put the bubble up if they're on the ground. Thought you knew that...

Sorry thought you were making a statement on how broken the kit would be which would go back to balance.

I knew that about Praetorians but unless you catch them when they spawn immediatly they will be floating. So in practice you wouldn't have many opportunities to one clip a praetorian without it being damage to put it on the ground.

Modifié par Bechter, 10 avril 2013 - 08:58 .

[icecoldkilla78]

im late to the party with her but i am really enjoying this character!!! yes its cheap and easy but hey its a video game, it doesnt have to be difficult and challenging all the time.

[Deerber]

Bechter wrote...

I knew that about Praetorians but unless you catch them when they spawn immediatly they will be floating. So in practice you wouldn't have many opportunities to one clip a praetorian without it being damage to put it on the ground.

Well, you'd simply have to stay put till he reaches you and stops floating. Back up a little bit to be out of sync range and in perfect reegar range, TC -> warp -> reegar -> lololol. I dreamed about this when they let her power set known. Should have figured it was too cheesy to be true though 

Modifié par Deerber, 10 avril 2013 - 09:05 .

[IamZAE]

Deerber wrote...

Bechter wrote...

I knew that about Praetorians but unless you catch them when they spawn immediatly they will be floating. So in practice you wouldn't have many opportunities to one clip a praetorian without it being damage to put it on the ground.

Well, you'd simply have to stay put till he reaches you and stops floating. Back up a little bit to be out of sync range and in perfect reegar range, TC -> warp -> reegar -> lololol. I dreamed about this when they let her power set known. Should have figured it was too cheesy to be true though 

+1 deerber knows what's up. This setup is soooooo ephing fun. I like the idea of killing praetorians as fast as they can kill me lol reeegarrrrrrr dark lord I luv u

[Rimbeau]

I suck with her....
Probably scores lowest from all infiltrators besides the shadow on a non cerberus match.

FateNeverEnds kinda summed up the reasons why last page.

Maybe I should run a heavier weapon on her ? I use a talon VIII.

Modifié par Rimbeau, 11 avril 2013 - 12:12 .

[TriniWarlord]

[quote]Bechter wrote...


Yep lets talk about balance and use a example of a known glitch. Wouldn't the Pratorian block the warp with its bubble (Not sure) to block any crazy DOT stacking?

My main beef is there is probably more people who have played the character and have know clue about the tac cloak is not giving weapon damage bonuses than the people on this forum that think it gives them a unique/interesting character.[/quote]

[/quote]

What? 

All this back and forth, if u dont like the incendiary bug then dont use it... I'm sure many people would have been enlightened and grateful for making their game a bit more interesting and easier... I could even tell u about a Melee Human Adept build with shotgun Onmiblade and how effective it is, also for a rather unique and fun way to play the Stock HA. (Add Reegar Incendiary for LOLs a good build)

Those persons who saw me use it in PUGs would have seen me top the scoreboard without the glitch and using Melee HA. 

For all this meaningless bickering and people who dont know their facts I'll just leave this here

[Bechter]

TriniWarlord wrote...

Bechter wrote...


Yep lets talk about balance and use a example of a known glitch. Wouldn't the Pratorian block the warp with its bubble (Not sure) to block any crazy DOT stacking?

My main beef is there is probably more people who have played the character and have know clue about the tac cloak is not giving weapon damage bonuses than the people on this forum that think it gives them a unique/interesting character.

What? 

All this back and forth, if u dont like the incendiary bug then dont use it... I'm sure many people would have been enlightened and grateful for making their game a bit more interesting and easier... I could even tell u about a Melee Human Adept build with shotgun Onmiblade and how effective it is, also for a rather unique and fun way to play the Stock HA. (Add Reegar Incendiary for LOLs a good build)

Those persons who saw me use it in PUGs would have seen me top the scoreboard without the glitch and using Melee HA. 

For all this meaningless bickering and people who dont know their facts I'll just leave this here

You were top of the scoreboard in a pug you must be good. I'm not sure what you are posting about. I don't care about glitches and couldn't care less how other people play. I was commenting on dissapointment with the Huntress's tac cloak bug and bioware's lack of a fix. Only scrubs brag about their high scores in pugs.

Also what facts were you refering to?

Modifié par Bechter, 11 avril 2013 - 05:12 .

[lightswitch]

Bechter wrote...

lightswitch wrote...

Bechter wrote...

If you mean broken as in a Tac Cloak tree that doesn't work properly, that Biower was to lazy/cheap to patch and trys to pass it as a interesting nitch among the inf, then yes I agree with you.

there's no way to fix that without breaking the game...

You think AIU breaks the game so you're opinion is invalid.

for what it's worth I don't think I've actually ever said that

[LuckyBullet95]

Bechter wrote...

I was commenting on dissapointment with the Huntress's tac cloak bug and bioware's lack of a fix. Only scrubs brag about their high scores in pugs.

To be honest it would be a bigger mistake to fix tactical cloak. Warp rouunds offer offer 120% damage damage to primed health and armour and 240% vs. Barriers. This is the one OP legit damage boost  other infils have no access too. Combine that with cloak and everything would just melt. It would go from a good infiltrator to the best iniltrator.

[Bechter]

LuckyBullet95 wrote...

Bechter wrote...

I was commenting on dissapointment with the Huntress's tac cloak bug and bioware's lack of a fix. Only scrubs brag about their high scores in pugs.

To be honest it would be a bigger mistake to fix tactical cloak. Warp rouunds offer offer 120% damage damage to primed health and armour and 240% vs. Barriers. This is the one OP legit damage boost  other infils have no access too. Combine that with cloak and everything would just melt. It would go from a good infiltrator to the best iniltrator.

GI would still be better. Biower obviously didn't agree with you with their awesome internal testing because their intention. She still would have zero aoe people over state Gabe mechanics like that. Warp can be dodge and dark channel is single target, both would basically be overkill on most enemies. Majority of the time someone or yourself will detonate your primed target. Take a GI into a loopy of biotic with warp I promise it won't be out of line with what you would do normally. 

[HolyAvenger]

Just because the GI is brokenly OP doesn't mean they should make the rest of infiltrators to be the same.

[LuckyBullet95]

Bechter wrote...

LuckyBullet95 wrote...

Bechter wrote...

I was commenting on dissapointment with the Huntress's tac cloak bug and bioware's lack of a fix. Only scrubs brag about their high scores in pugs.

To be honest it would be a bigger mistake to fix tactical cloak. Warp rouunds offer offer 120% damage damage to primed health and armour and 240% vs. Barriers. This is the one OP legit damage boost  other infils have no access too. Combine that with cloak and everything would just melt. It would go from a good infiltrator to the best iniltrator.

GI would still be better. Biower obviously didn't agree with you with their awesome internal testing because their intention. She still would have zero aoe people over state Gabe mechanics like that. Warp can be dodge and dark channel is single target, both would basically be overkill on most enemies. Majority of the time someone or yourself will detonate your primed target. Take a GI into a loopy of biotic with warp I promise it won't be out of line with what you would do normally. 

I've never noticed losing the damage boost if I ever detonate Dark Channel. Doubt the GI would be better outside of Wall Hacks or use of the Multiplicative Geth Weapon Damage Bonus.Rate of Fire, Accuracy and HM Damage bonuses might make him a better shotgunner (Reegar not withstanding) too thanks to either their low firing rate or wide spread, same goes for the Talon.

Modifié par LuckyBullet95, 11 avril 2013 - 03:50 .

[P51Mus7ang]

Late to the party also, but what is game braking, especially about this kit?

I sure hope topping a score board in a pug isn't a measurement used, that can be done with just about every kit we have in this game, put the Huntress in a group of four with similar skills and knowledege with three taking kits they consider the best and she isn't going to top the scoreboard.

The fastest killing kit in this game is the Talon, in the right hands. Highest scoring kits in my hands would be the Paladin, GU, Ghost, AIU, QME, SI and QMI.

[SilentStep79]

long time no see Mus7ang...

[Bechter]

HolyAvenger wrote...

Just because the GI is brokenly OP doesn't mean they should make the rest of infiltrators to be the same.

we have different definitions of brokenly OP. 

[TriniWarlord]

EDIT: Why bother

Modifié par TriniWarlord, 12 avril 2013 - 03:11 .

[lightswitch]

Bechter wrote...

LuckyBullet95 wrote...

Bechter wrote...

I was commenting on dissapointment with the Huntress's tac cloak bug and bioware's lack of a fix. Only scrubs brag about their high scores in pugs.

To be honest it would be a bigger mistake to fix tactical cloak. Warp rouunds offer offer 120% damage damage to primed health and armour and 240% vs. Barriers. This is the one OP legit damage boost  other infils have no access too. Combine that with cloak and everything would just melt. It would go from a good infiltrator to the best iniltrator.

GI would still be better.

I highly doubt it.

Let's say it's a Hurricane oops Harrier X and a typical build...

[(129.5*1.2)+(129.5*(1.05+0.3+.8))]*550/60 = 3976.72

Assuming she still does close to 1000 damage per second with Dark Channel, we're talking a kit that can do somewhere in the vicinity of 5000 DPS pretty easily with a power build and a strong weapon. We could say 4700 to be on the safe side but I bet there would be a way to eke 5000 per sec out of it.

A rank 6 TC modifier would make her even better. It might even turn out to be optimal to spec for weapon damage or at least skip the Adaptive War amp. Hard to say. The point is 5000 per sec wouldn't be totally out of reach...I'm not really sure how that compares to a GI to be honest.

Of course then you have to consider the benefits of Hunter Mode, blah blah blah etc. But I think it's safe to say she would make Reapers and Collectors an absolute joke.

Modifié par lightswitch, 12 avril 2013 - 06:17 .

[lightswitch]

Actually I think the way people would play her if TC gave her a regular weapon damage bonus would be a weapon damage build designed for spamming warp...this was rushed but theoretically could hit 5144.52 damage to armor and barriers per sec with just weapons fire, doesn't even take the direct damage from warp into account.

[Bechter]

I just think people overestimate the in game value of things like the biotic priming weapon damage bonus. In actual game play its not as OP and easy to continually replicate. First you have to actual prime the target warp can be dodged, dark channel can't but has a casting animation and you aren't sure which enemy it will jump to, teammates can't detonating you primed target and you can only prime during each cloak cycle (min 4secs). All of those issues take time so every target you engage will not be primed. All this is assuming that you are using warp ammo.

With something like the Geth Inf it's easier and more practical to get to its peak damage output with cloak and proxy mine. This isn't taking into account all the benefits of hunter mode.

Also you don't think she makes the reapers and collectors (to a lesser extent) trivial now?

I know she would a amazing character with a proper tac cloak. I also think she is a strong character now but doesn't offer anything more than any other biotic kit in terms of clearing a match quickly.