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[solidprice]

UnknownMercenary wrote...

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[LuckyBullet95]

lightswitch wrote...

Actually I think the way people would play her if TC gave her a regular weapon damage bonus would be a weapon damage build designed for spamming warp...this was rushed but theoretically could hit 5144.52 damage to armor and barriers per sec with just weapons fire, doesn't even take the direct damage from warp into account.

I'd still spec out of Fitness, Dark Channel is great hitscan primer, especially if you end up hitting a mook spawn. As Bech rightfully said Warp is incosistant as it can be dodged but Dark Channel, not only will it guarantee a prime but you know that it will definately at least jump to a target relatively close to the target, plus that target glows blue, now if you're hitting a spawn your aim is to clear it out, aside from obvious enemy priority (Phantoms, Captains, Pyros) you generally won't be too fussed with who you shoot in the face first or last. The Warp on the other hand would prove more useful vs. Bosses thanks to the 15% damage taken debuff and the armour weakening.

Also since you mentioned DPS, wouldn't it's DPS vs. Barriers be twice that of it's DPS vs. Armour? Thanks to the 2x Barrier Damage Warp Rounds do? Sure Cyonan told me it was 60% vs. Unprimed Armour and Health, 120% vs. Unprimsed Barriers and primed Armour and Health and 240% vs. Primed Barriers. As for Dark Channel Huntress does  225.75 damage vs. Health, 112.875 vs. shields, 507.9375 vs, Armour and 620.8125 vs. Barriers before equipment/mods. That's provided Pierce works similar to other increase damage vs. x defenses and actually effects it's resistance multiplier (instead of being 1 vs. Health, 0.5 vs. Shields. 1.5 vs. Armour and 2 vs. Barriers it's 1 vs. Health, 0.5 vs. Shields, 2.25 vs. Armour and 2.75 vs. Barriers). Otherwise it might be even higher than that.

Bechter there is no way the Geth, aside from Geth Weapon Damage bonus can compare to the Huntress in terms of raw DPS (IF she had a proper cloak). It's easy to prime targets and to target them (they kind of glow blue...) Unless, as I said it's using the Javelin or a class that benefits from HM's rate of fire and accuracy increase a whole lot like the Piranha, Raider, Talon, Wraith or POSSIBLY the Crusader. Even then it's all additive outside of Geth Weapon Damage, rate of fire and accuracy.

Modifié par LuckyBullet95, 12 avril 2013 - 07:22 .

[LuckyBullet95]

Hooray for double posts!

Modifié par LuckyBullet95, 12 avril 2013 - 07:22 .

[longgamma]

Cyonan wrote...

Just wait until you discover the Reegar Carbine + Incendiary Rounds + Warp.

I like the PPR better. Nice to stay away from those Banshees and brutes and other monstrosities 

[TwinWolf954]

One of those threads that make me happy that balance changes are over...

Modifié par TwinWolf954, 12 avril 2013 - 07:26 .

[LuckyBullet95]

longgamma wrote...

Cyonan wrote...

Just wait until you discover the Reegar Carbine + Incendiary Rounds + Warp.

I like the PPR better. Nice to stay away from those Banshees and brutes and other monstrosities 

Stairs, also enemies can't sync kill if they are dead...

[HolyAvenger]

Bechter wrote...

HolyAvenger wrote...

Just because the GI is brokenly OP doesn't mean they should make the rest of infiltrators to be the same.

we have different definitions of brokenly OP. 

 

It doesn't get any more ridiculously OP than the GI.

I PUG'd a Plat game with him last night for the first time in months, it was a joke. I got bored. 

[Bechter]

@Goosh Dps isn't the only thing and the huntress would lack hunter mode and any aoe damage or debuff. She wouldn't break the game.

@holyavenger there are several kits that make platinum a joke. Especially if you are a decent player. For every story of a player dominating a pug with a GI I can show a half dozen pugs I run into that fail miserably. Once a player gets to certain point with skill, game knowledge, and manifest all difficulties are relatively easy.

Modifié par Bechter, 12 avril 2013 - 04:03 .

[LuckyBullet95]

Bechter wrote...

@Goosh Dps isn't the only thing and the huntress would lack hunter mode and any aoe damage or debuff. She wouldn't break the game.

True, she is as squishy as the Geth withoutthe wallhacking situational awareness of Hunter Mode. The AoE debuff isn't much of an issue, aside from the fact that she doesn't help the team and ofcourse when she's hsooting through enemies using HVB for example she won't be doingany extra damage and would be just another infiltrator unlike the Geth or Salaian which lacks the DPS of a working as intended Huntress or Geth.

[HolyAvenger]

Bechter wrote...

@holyavenger there are several kits that make platinum a joke. Especially if you are a decent player. For story of a player dominating a pug with a GI I can show a half dozen pugs I run into that fail miserably. Once a player gets to certain point with skill, game knowledge, and manifest all difficulties are relatively easy.

 

Unarguably, my point was not that I was outscoring some random PUG lobby, it was about the unholy amount of DPS that cloak-HM-PM allow the GI to put out. 

He's the king of single-target DPS, especially since unlike say the Reegar Valkryie, he doesn't rely on a glitch to be so powerful. 

My point was, winfiltrators are already badly balanced. Contributing to that by increasing the Huntress's damage potential would have been a bad idea. 

[Disciple888]

wat. huntress cannot compete wit the Valkyrie, even without the reegar

[Deerber]

Disciple888 wrote...

wat. huntress cannot compete wit the Valkyrie, even without the reegar

lolcainmines... :innocent:

Modifié par Deerber, 12 avril 2013 - 04:16 .

[Disciple888]

lololol

Ain't nobody got time for spawns

[tetsutsuru]

First time Asari Huntress just now, as I'm working on my Commando Mastery banner.

She's just a better version of the Asari Adept. Granted, Dark Channel and Warp get a massive damage boost from Tactical Cloak, BTW you realize that her powers are essentially DoT, ya? As in, Damage Over Time? Meaning, the enemy can STILL SHOOT YOU, even as it's dying.

My N7 Fury can kill waaay faster than this kit can.

The OP better be trolling. Broken? Overpowered? lolwut? Hyperbole much?

[KalilKareem]

tetsutsuru wrote...

First time Asari Huntress just now, as I'm working on my Commando Mastery banner.

She's just a better version of the Asari Adept. Granted, Dark Channel and Warp get a massive damage boost from Tactical Cloak, BTW you realize that her powers are essentially DoT, ya? As in, Damage Over Time? Meaning, the enemy can STILL SHOOT YOU, even as it's dying.

My N7 Fury can kill waaay faster than this kit can.

The OP better be trolling. Broken? Overpowered? lolwut? Hyperbole much?

If your dots are whats killing stuff then you are doing it wrong. I agree that she is not op, but judging by your post you havent realized how to use her. You see, unlike a fury, she can use a claymore and a javelin without suffering any weight penalties. Exploiting and warp ammo is how to get best mileage from this kit.

[tetsutsuru]

KalilKareem wrote...

tetsutsuru wrote...

First time Asari Huntress just now, as I'm working on my Commando Mastery banner.

She's just a better version of the Asari Adept. Granted, Dark Channel and Warp get a massive damage boost from Tactical Cloak, BTW you realize that her powers are essentially DoT, ya? As in, Damage Over Time? Meaning, the enemy can STILL SHOOT YOU, even as it's dying.

My N7 Fury can kill waaay faster than this kit can.

The OP better be trolling. Broken? Overpowered? lolwut? Hyperbole much?

If your dots are whats killing stuff then you are doing it wrong. I agree that she is not op, but judging by your post you havent realized how to use her. You see, unlike a fury, she can use a claymore and a javelin without suffering any weight penalties. Exploiting and warp ammo is how to get best mileage from this kit.

Tell me, how am I "doing it wrong" when I'm evaluating the kit for the Powers it has, as to what weapons/consumables it can carry?  Moreso weapon-consumable combinations that can be exploited by other kits?

Modifié par tetsutsuru, 14 avril 2013 - 02:55 .

[IamZAE]

tetsutsuru wrote...

First time Asari Huntress just now, as I'm working on my Commando Mastery banner.

She's just a better version of the Asari Adept. Granted, Dark Channel and Warp get a massive damage boost from Tactical Cloak, BTW you realize that her powers are essentially DoT, ya? As in, Damage Over Time? Meaning, the enemy can STILL SHOOT YOU, even as it's dying.

My N7 Fury can kill waaay faster than this kit can.

The OP better be trolling. Broken? Overpowered? lolwut? Hyperbole much?

umm not if you use warp inciendiery Duh? That setup turns dot into damage NOW. Also she gets tack cloak damage bonus to warp which beefs up her warp dot ticks coupled with power amp lvl 4 and a reegar.. She kills bosses faster then Valkyrie.

also in regards of reegar carbine, if you hit enemies at max range with reegar which a decent player should be doing. Then you are OUTSIDE of range of ahniliation field debuff. So I don't wanna hear AF as a reason she's better BS

Modifié par IamZAE, 14 avril 2013 - 03:04 .

[Kenadian]

KalilKareem wrote...

tetsutsuru wrote...

First time Asari Huntress just now, as I'm working on my Commando Mastery banner.

She's just a better version of the Asari Adept. Granted, Dark Channel and Warp get a massive damage boost from Tactical Cloak, BTW you realize that her powers are essentially DoT, ya? As in, Damage Over Time? Meaning, the enemy can STILL SHOOT YOU, even as it's dying.

My N7 Fury can kill waaay faster than this kit can.

The OP better be trolling. Broken? Overpowered? lolwut? Hyperbole much?

If your dots are whats killing stuff then you are doing it wrong. I agree that she is not op, but judging by your post you havent realized how to use her. You see, unlike a fury, she can use a claymore and a javelin without suffering any weight penalties. Exploiting and warp ammo is how to get best mileage from this kit.

Not neccessarily. Get 4 or even just 3 Huntress DCs on a Banshee and she melts. And this was before the advent of Power Magnifiers.

[tetsutsuru]

IamZAE wrote...

tetsutsuru wrote...

First time Asari Huntress just now, as I'm working on my Commando Mastery banner.

She's just a better version of the Asari Adept. Granted, Dark Channel and Warp get a massive damage boost from Tactical Cloak, BTW you realize that her powers are essentially DoT, ya? As in, Damage Over Time? Meaning, the enemy can STILL SHOOT YOU, even as it's dying.

My N7 Fury can kill waaay faster than this kit can.

The OP better be trolling. Broken? Overpowered? lolwut? Hyperbole much?

umm not if you use warp inciendiery Duh? That setup turns dot into damage NOW. Also she gets tack cloak damage bonus to warp which beefs up her warp dot ticks coupled with power amp lvl 4 and a reegar.. She kills bosses faster then Valkyrie.

also in regards of reegar carbine, if you hit enemies at max range with reegar which a decent player should be doing. Then you are OUTSIDE of range of ahniliation field debuff. So I don't wanna hear AF as a reason she's better BS

Is the Huntress the ONLY kit with Warp and can load up with Incendiary Ammo?  Duh, yourself.

Evaluate the kit for what it is, not how well a kit can exploit game mechanics.  Recognize the difference.

Modifié par tetsutsuru, 14 avril 2013 - 03:17 .

[KalilKareem]

tetsutsuru wrote...

IamZAE wrote...

tetsutsuru wrote...

First time Asari Huntress just now, as I'm working on my Commando Mastery banner.

She's just a better version of the Asari Adept. Granted, Dark Channel and Warp get a massive damage boost from Tactical Cloak, BTW you realize that her powers are essentially DoT, ya? As in, Damage Over Time? Meaning, the enemy can STILL SHOOT YOU, even as it's dying.

My N7 Fury can kill waaay faster than this kit can.

The OP better be trolling. Broken? Overpowered? lolwut? Hyperbole much?

umm not if you use warp inciendiery Duh? That setup turns dot into damage NOW. Also she gets tack cloak damage bonus to warp which beefs up her warp dot ticks coupled with power amp lvl 4 and a reegar.. She kills bosses faster then Valkyrie.

also in regards of reegar carbine, if you hit enemies at max range with reegar which a decent player should be doing. Then you are OUTSIDE of range of ahniliation field debuff. So I don't wanna hear AF as a reason she's better BS

Is the Huntress the ONLY kit with Warp and can load up with Incendiary Ammo?  Duh, yourself.

Evaluate the kit for what it is, not how well a kit can exploit game mechanics.  Recognize the difference.

No, but she is the only kit that can equip a heavy barreled claymore and still enjoy 4s cd on her cloak boosted warps. Besides, who needs incediary? She is equally powerful with warp ammo.

[KalilKareem]

tetsutsuru wrote...

KalilKareem wrote...

tetsutsuru wrote...

First time Asari Huntress just now, as I'm working on my Commando Mastery banner.

She's just a better version of the Asari Adept. Granted, Dark Channel and Warp get a massive damage boost from Tactical Cloak, BTW you realize that her powers are essentially DoT, ya? As in, Damage Over Time? Meaning, the enemy can STILL SHOOT YOU, even as it's dying.

My N7 Fury can kill waaay faster than this kit can.

The OP better be trolling. Broken? Overpowered? lolwut? Hyperbole much?

If your dots are whats killing stuff then you are doing it wrong. I agree that she is not op, but judging by your post you havent realized how to use her. You see, unlike a fury, she can use a claymore and a javelin without suffering any weight penalties. Exploiting and warp ammo is how to get best mileage from this kit.

Tell me, how am I "doing it wrong" when I'm evaluating the kit for the Powers it has, as to what weapons/consumables it can carry?  Moreso weapon-consumable combinations that can be exploited by other kits?

You fail to take the cd negating effect of cloak into the equation. That gives her a unique edge above other power based kits.

[sandboxgod]

HolyAvenger wrote...

Bechter wrote...

HolyAvenger wrote...

Just because the GI is brokenly OP doesn't mean they should make the rest of infiltrators to be the same.

we have different definitions of brokenly OP. 

 

It doesn't get any more ridiculously OP than the GI.

I PUG'd a Plat game with him last night for the first time in months, it was a joke. I got bored. 

I just love it when people bring up they outscored a PUG like it's some incredible feat. I've seen kits in "organized groups" outscore GI. Not saying the kit/combo either. Granted, balance changes are over but I dont want to see BSN get swarmed with nerf threads all over again. Bioware ending the balance changes was the best thing for this forum in my opinion 

[edit] I'm going to give you a hint. Single target damage is just that- a single target. Wrecking spawns. Now that's the key. 

Modifié par sandboxgod, 14 avril 2013 - 03:45 .

[Deerber]

sandboxgod wrote...

HolyAvenger wrote...

Bechter wrote...

HolyAvenger wrote...

Just because the GI is brokenly OP doesn't mean they should make the rest of infiltrators to be the same.

we have different definitions of brokenly OP. 

 

It doesn't get any more ridiculously OP than the GI.

I PUG'd a Plat game with him last night for the first time in months, it was a joke. I got bored. 

I just love it when people bring up they outscored a PUG like it's some incredible feat. I've seen kits in "organized groups" outscore GI. Not saying the kit/combo either. Granted, balance changes are over but I dont want to see BSN get swarmed with nerf threads all over again. Bioware ending the balance changes was the best thing for this forum in my opinion 

[edit] I'm going to give you a hint. Single target damage is just that- a single target. Wrecking spawns. Now that's the key. 

No ****, Sherlock 

You might be a bit biased though, as nowhere did Djeck state that he outscored the pugs.

[tetsutsuru]

KalilKareem wrote...

tetsutsuru wrote...

IamZAE wrote...

tetsutsuru wrote...

First time Asari Huntress just now, as I'm working on my Commando Mastery banner.

She's just a better version of the Asari Adept. Granted, Dark Channel and Warp get a massive damage boost from Tactical Cloak, BTW you realize that her powers are essentially DoT, ya? As in, Damage Over Time? Meaning, the enemy can STILL SHOOT YOU, even as it's dying.

My N7 Fury can kill waaay faster than this kit can.

The OP better be trolling. Broken? Overpowered? lolwut? Hyperbole much?

umm not if you use warp inciendiery Duh? That setup turns dot into damage NOW. Also she gets tack cloak damage bonus to warp which beefs up her warp dot ticks coupled with power amp lvl 4 and a reegar.. She kills bosses faster then Valkyrie.

also in regards of reegar carbine, if you hit enemies at max range with reegar which a decent player should be doing. Then you are OUTSIDE of range of ahniliation field debuff. So I don't wanna hear AF as a reason she's better BS

Is the Huntress the ONLY kit with Warp and can load up with Incendiary Ammo?  Duh, yourself.

Evaluate the kit for what it is, not how well a kit can exploit game mechanics.  Recognize the difference.

No, but she is the only kit that can equip a heavy barreled claymore and still enjoy 4s cd on her cloak boosted warps. Besides, who needs incediary? She is equally powerful with warp ammo.

Again, evaluate the kit for WHAT IT IS, and NOT how well a kit can exploit game mechanics.

There are other Infiltrators that can do similar, and just as well, if not better.

[HolyAvenger]

sandboxgod wrote...

HolyAvenger wrote...

Bechter wrote...

HolyAvenger wrote...

Just because the GI is brokenly OP doesn't mean they should make the rest of infiltrators to be the same.

we have different definitions of brokenly OP. 

 

It doesn't get any more ridiculously OP than the GI.

I PUG'd a Plat game with him last night for the first time in months, it was a joke. I got bored. 

I just love it when people bring up they outscored a PUG like it's some incredible feat. I've seen kits in "organized groups" outscore GI. Not saying the kit/combo either. Granted, balance changes are over but I dont want to see BSN get swarmed with nerf threads all over again. Bioware ending the balance changes was the best thing for this forum in my opinion 

[edit] I'm going to give you a hint. Single target damage is just that- a single target. Wrecking spawns. Now that's the key. 

It seems you lack reading comprehension. There was no mention of score in my post as I, like any number of veteran players, know that it means relatively little in comparison to many other factors.

All I said was that I played the kit for the first time in a while, and found it to be so powerful it trivialised the hardest difficulty. That in my books means its OP. 

And trust me I know now grenade nuking works. If I was Eric F, Grenade Capacity V would be the first thing I would remove from the game.