Most of the mages we encounter let the demons take over and become blood mages would it not be best to just to have them shackled and collared like saarebas?
I think the Qunari have a point
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Posté 10 avril 2013 - 05:14
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Osena109 wrote...
Most of the mages we encounter let the demons take over and become blood mages would it not be best to just to have them shackled and collared like saarebas?
Imagine you are mage:wizard: now answer you question.
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Posté 10 avril 2013 - 05:18
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9TailsFox wrote...
Osena109 wrote...
Most of the mages we encounter let the demons take over and become blood mages would it not be best to just to have them shackled and collared like saarebas?
Imagine you are mage:wizard: now answer you question.
But i am not a mage I am a Soldier
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Posté 10 avril 2013 - 05:26
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Morriagan, Anders, and Wynne weren't possessed by demons and turned into blood mages, and they're the popular ones. Only the weak minded turn to a demon for help. Look at Flemeth that woman is so crafty she probably took control over the demon that tried to possess her (though we don't know if she was actually possess or a demon herself).
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Posté 10 avril 2013 - 05:27
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Shampoohorn wrote...
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Then you lack imagenation.
Once a Soldier always a Soldier but i asked a Question more then half the mage's you encounter in dragon 1&2 have given them self's over too the demon's would not a firmer hand like the Qunari be better then takening chance on them
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Posté 10 avril 2013 - 05:28
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Morriagan, Anders, and Wynne weren't possessed by demons and turned into blood mages, and they're the popular ones. Only the weak minded turn to a demon for help. Look at Flemeth that woman is so crafty she probably took control over the demon that tried to possess her (though we don't know if she was actually possess or a demon herself).
Wynne was kinda possessed Anders was possessed morriagan well she was morriagan
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Posté 10 avril 2013 - 05:28
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Now we're getting into the freedom vs. public safety debate that people still don't have a satisfactory answer for. You can expect people to show up with each answer shortly, however.
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Posté 10 avril 2013 - 05:28
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The only mages that turn to blood mages are of no importance to the main story line and thus can be safely killed off by your character.
There is only one companion blood mage, Merrill. But I want to kill her so much that I don't recognise her as a canon character in my story, I just completely ignore her from my personal Dragon Age story that she's no longer a factor.
Morrigan is not a blood mage even though you can make her one that doesn't mean she is a blood mage in the writing. Wynne is too high and mighty to touch blood magic and Anders is uppity about it as well, I think it's a Spirit Healer thing, all the Spirit Healers seem to have a bee in their bonnets about the use of blood magic.
Personally if I were a mage in the Dragon Age world I would sit in the Circle Tower and read. They have an enormous library I could read and think all day and I don't have to worry about work or earning money! That is the life I want to have lol XD. I wish the mages would understand that being looked after in the Tower is so much better than having to work to live >.>.
But anyway, tangent over, blood magic isn't really used as effectively as it could because all the NPCs are just NPCs and they don't matter.
There is only one companion blood mage, Merrill. But I want to kill her so much that I don't recognise her as a canon character in my story, I just completely ignore her from my personal Dragon Age story that she's no longer a factor.
Morrigan is not a blood mage even though you can make her one that doesn't mean she is a blood mage in the writing. Wynne is too high and mighty to touch blood magic and Anders is uppity about it as well, I think it's a Spirit Healer thing, all the Spirit Healers seem to have a bee in their bonnets about the use of blood magic.
Personally if I were a mage in the Dragon Age world I would sit in the Circle Tower and read. They have an enormous library I could read and think all day and I don't have to worry about work or earning money! That is the life I want to have lol XD. I wish the mages would understand that being looked after in the Tower is so much better than having to work to live >.>.
But anyway, tangent over, blood magic isn't really used as effectively as it could because all the NPCs are just NPCs and they don't matter.
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Posté 10 avril 2013 - 05:30
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They do have a point, they have many points... They have killed many with them. Pointy objects, anyway.
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Posté 10 avril 2013 - 05:30
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Demons possessing you don't make you a Blood Mage. You can become a Blood Mage without becoming possessed by a Demon. You can learn blood magic from a Demon. You could, if blood magic weren't forbidden, and thus hidden, learn blood magic without any help from a demon. You can become possessed by a demon without ever dabbling in blood magic. You can become possessed by a demon without even being a mage. You can become possessed by a demon without even being alive.
Get rid of every last Mage in existence and you'd still have to deal with Demons in one form, another or yet another.
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Trailer Hawke is a Mage, and Blood Mage at that, canonically. They aren't an abomination either, and we're never given the impression Hawke ever dealt with a Demon. In fact what are are given an idea of is that their Father was a Mage, forced into blood magic at one point (do the one DLC, you'll see). With what we're given I've always understood that the knowledge of Hawke's possible specializations, and why they don't have to track them down . . . is because their Father already informed them of the specializations and how to go about them. This lack of a Demon, and blood magic knowledge being handed down from Father to daughte or son only confirms you don't need a Demon to learn blood magic.
The real reason Blood Magic is forbidden is because the Templar resistances, dispels and silences are ineffective against a Blood Mage.
Get rid of every last Mage in existence and you'd still have to deal with Demons in one form, another or yet another.
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Trailer Hawke is a Mage, and Blood Mage at that, canonically. They aren't an abomination either, and we're never given the impression Hawke ever dealt with a Demon. In fact what are are given an idea of is that their Father was a Mage, forced into blood magic at one point (do the one DLC, you'll see). With what we're given I've always understood that the knowledge of Hawke's possible specializations, and why they don't have to track them down . . . is because their Father already informed them of the specializations and how to go about them. This lack of a Demon, and blood magic knowledge being handed down from Father to daughte or son only confirms you don't need a Demon to learn blood magic.
The real reason Blood Magic is forbidden is because the Templar resistances, dispels and silences are ineffective against a Blood Mage.
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Posté 10 avril 2013 - 05:30
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I find there to be a bit of a jarring disconnection from realism. Given what you saw in DA2, then yes they do have some sort of an argument. But in that case how is Thedas society still functioning since mages haven't been shackled like that throughout the entire history? The danger of possession portrayed in DA2 doesn't make sense to me.
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Posté 10 avril 2013 - 05:30
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do the templars know how make a collar and leash?
anyways would you like to be a qunari's mindless servant?
anyways would you like to be a qunari's mindless servant?
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Posté 10 avril 2013 - 05:32
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Osena109 wrote...
Shampoohorn wrote...
^^^
Then you lack imagenation.
Once a Soldier always a Soldier but i asked Question more then half the mage's you encounter in dragon 1&2 have given them self's over the demon's would not a firmer hand like the Qunari be better then takening chance on them
In theory, the Circle system is designed to take a firm hand to prevent this. I think it even suceeds too; if the Circles were a complete failure the area around them would probably be deserted due to the danger. At any rate, I think there are probably at least as many non-abomination mages in DA:O as there are non-abominations. As for Kirkwall, it's known to be an exceptionally messed up place, and not really a typical example of anything.
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Posté 10 avril 2013 - 05:33
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Osena109 wrote...
mosesarose wrote...
Morriagan, Anders, and Wynne weren't possessed by demons and turned into blood mages, and they're the popular ones. Only the weak minded turn to a demon for help. Look at Flemeth that woman is so crafty she probably took control over the demon that tried to possess her (though we don't know if she was actually possess or a demon herself).
Wynne was kinda possessed Anders was possessed morriagan well she was morriagan
No they let benevolent spirts into their bodies not possessed by demons. There's a difference, plus they didn't turn into bloodmages.
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Posté 10 avril 2013 - 05:36
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mosesarose wrote...
Osena109 wrote...
mosesarose wrote...
Morriagan, Anders, and Wynne weren't possessed by demons and turned into blood mages, and they're the popular ones. Only the weak minded turn to a demon for help. Look at Flemeth that woman is so crafty she probably took control over the demon that tried to possess her (though we don't know if she was actually possess or a demon herself).
Wynne was kinda possessed Anders was possessed morriagan well she was morriagan
No they let benevolent spirts into their bodies not possessed by demons. There's a difference, plus they didn't turn into bloodmages.
They didn't turn into Blood Mages after being possessed by the spirits? You're right. Because blood magic has nothing to do with possession. You become an abomination when you're possessed by a Spirit or a Demon. No matter which, you're still an abomination, and this has absolutely nothing to do with blood magic. You could be a blood mage or not be a blood mage - it wouldn't matter.
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Posté 10 avril 2013 - 05:36
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mosesarose wrote...
Osena109 wrote...
mosesarose wrote...
Morriagan, Anders, and Wynne weren't possessed by demons and turned into blood mages, and they're the popular ones. Only the weak minded turn to a demon for help. Look at Flemeth that woman is so crafty she probably took control over the demon that tried to possess her (though we don't know if she was actually possess or a demon herself).
Wynne was kinda possessed Anders was possessed morriagan well she was morriagan
No they let benevolent spirts into their bodies not possessed by demons. There's a difference, plus they didn't turn into bloodmages.
Starting out, Anders was a non-abomination. Towards the end, there was really little to differentiate him from an normal abomination, apart from an unfortunate prescence of mind.
Wynne, by comparison, was never anything like an abomination. And either way they both abhored blood magic.
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Posté 10 avril 2013 - 05:37
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mosesarose wrote...
Osena109 wrote...
mosesarose wrote...
Morriagan, Anders, and Wynne weren't possessed by demons and turned into blood mages, and they're the popular ones. Only the weak minded turn to a demon for help. Look at Flemeth that woman is so crafty she probably took control over the demon that tried to possess her (though we don't know if she was actually possess or a demon herself).
Wynne was kinda possessed Anders was possessed morriagan well she was morriagan
No they let benevolent spirts into their bodies not possessed by demons. There's a difference, plus they didn't turn into bloodmages.
Any way you want to look at it they have let spirts in to there body look at justice he was benevolent spirt the become a demon
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Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...
mosesarose wrote...
Osena109 wrote...
mosesarose wrote...
Morriagan, Anders, and Wynne weren't possessed by demons and turned into blood mages, and they're the popular ones. Only the weak minded turn to a demon for help. Look at Flemeth that woman is so crafty she probably took control over the demon that tried to possess her (though we don't know if she was actually possess or a demon herself).
Wynne was kinda possessed Anders was possessed morriagan well she was morriagan
No they let benevolent spirts into their bodies not possessed by demons. There's a difference, plus they didn't turn into bloodmages.
Starting out, Anders was a non-abomination. Towards the end, there was really little to choose.
Well technically Anders isn't an abomination because justice isn't a demon spirit. Being an abomination refer to you as being possess by a destructive spirit from the fade.
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mosesarose wrote...
Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...
mosesarose wrote...
No they let benevolent spirts into their bodies not possessed by demons. There's a difference, plus they didn't turn into bloodmages.
Starting out, Anders was a non-abomination. Towards the end, there was really little to choose.
Well technically Anders isn't an abomination because justice isn't a demon spirit. Being an abomination refer to you as being possess by a destructive spirit from the fade.
What was Justice, towards the end?
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Posté 10 avril 2013 - 05:44
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They actually have several points.
On their heads.
On their heads.
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Justice is a demon of Vengeance who only thinks he is still a spirit of Justice. Anders' mind corrupted him.
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Posté 10 avril 2013 - 05:45
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Merrill is a blood mage. Anders is possessed. Wynne, too. I'm pretty sure Morrigan is possessed. Flemeth might be the vice versa (a mage that has taken over a powerful spirit; OGB 1.0). Andrastre was probably OGB 1.1. And Velanna is.... well Velanna. She probably just tells any spirit good or bad to sod off same as she does everyone else.
I think Uldred had a point. Maybe Mages are meant to be inhabited by spirits. Maybe instead of training them to avoid it, they should be taught to avoid the **** spirits, get hitched to a nice spirit, and remain in control. Magic comes from the Fade yes? Spirits shape the Fade. Shape magic. Maybe this is what that old verse 'magic is meant to serve man...' is all about?
I think Uldred had a point. Maybe Mages are meant to be inhabited by spirits. Maybe instead of training them to avoid it, they should be taught to avoid the **** spirits, get hitched to a nice spirit, and remain in control. Magic comes from the Fade yes? Spirits shape the Fade. Shape magic. Maybe this is what that old verse 'magic is meant to serve man...' is all about?
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Posté 10 avril 2013 - 05:48
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Fortlowe wrote...
Merrill is a blood mage. Anders is possessed. Wynne, too. I'm pretty sure Morrigan is possessed. Flemeth might be the vice versa (a mage that has taken over a powerful spirit; OGB 1.0). Andrastre was probably OGB 1.1. And Velanna is.... well Velanna. She probably just tells any spirit good or bad to sod off same as she does everyone else.
I think Uldred had a point. Maybe Mages are meant to be inhabited by spirits. Maybe instead of training them to avoid it, they should be taught to avoid the **** spirits, get hitched to a nice spirit, and remain in control. Magic comes from the Fade yes? Spirits shape the Fade. Shape magic. Maybe this is what that old verse 'magic is meant to serve man...' is all about?
Merrill wasn't possessed. Anders was a case study in it going wrong. Morrigan is to the best of all our evidence not possessed. Flemeth might or might not be possessed. We have no idea what the story was with Andraste. And Velanna really doesn't help your point.
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Posté 10 avril 2013 - 05:49
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Justice is a demon of Vengeance who only thinks he is still a spirit of Justice. Anders' mind corrupted him.
Okay know this makes sense, I didn't know Justice was a Vengence demon.
