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So humans, elves, dwarves.... how about qunari as a protagonist?


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Faerunner wrote..
Why explore a new race when we can be yet another Andrastian human noble and/or mage?

We haven't explored how OMG HARD is to be born to privilege, loose said privilege, go through the horrible agony of actually having to work for that fortune (because, like, omg, it should just be served to them on a silver platter just for being born), and/or go through the painful cliche of watching the family die out painfully. We should have another game about THAT protagonist; because two games wasn't enough.



That's funny how assume the story of the character will be the same because of the same species as a previous one, hilarious stupid in fact.

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Faerunner wrote...
We haven't explored how OMG HARD is to be born to privilege, loose said privilege, go through the horrible agony of actually having to work for that fortune


You mean like being part of the greatest noble family in a kingdom, seeing it all raised to the ground, watching your father bleed to death in your hands, and then being brande a traitor and conscripted into a military order? Only to have to rebuild your name and legacy, and culminate with a series of showdowns and a historic victory against an ancient evil? 

Because [insert name] Cousland has a bone to pick with you.

(because, like, omg, it should just be served to them on a silver platter just for being born), and/or go through the painful cliche of watching the family die out painfully. We should have another game about THAT protagonist; because two games wasn't enough.


... Being born to privilege = it being served on a silver platter. 
.... Family die out painfully = loose said privige 

So I don't understand what you're complaining about, other than you want your humans to have pointy ears. 

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If the PC is chosen from the set of choices akin to DA:O, one of the choices should be qunari. Maybe a choice between follower of Qun and Tal-Vashoth.

Who wouldn't like their protagonist be an intimidating giant for a change?


I'd hate it because I only ever play as a mage :wizard:

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Maybe not as an exclusive protagonist, but certainly a race option if that gets thrown in, why the hell have all other races except qunari?..

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We need to remember Tallis when discussing the viability of playing as a Qunari as if we are to play as one, we'll be a Tallis, or at least working under the Ariqun, NOT Arishok. Soldiers might be how the Qunari publically interact with the world, but working under the Ariqun gives us greater flexibility in what we can do, our mission and gender. The soldiers have faces that crack if they smile, but it's not true for all Qunari.

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Have yet to meet a qunari ithout a colossal stick up their Butt.
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We haven't explored how OMG HARD is to be born to privilege, loose said privilege, go through the horrible agony of actually having to work for that fortune (because, like, omg, it should just be served to them on a silver platter just for being born), and/or go through the painful cliche of watching the family die out painfully. We should have another game about THAT protagonist; because two games wasn't enough.


Hawke needs to check his privilege.

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BouncyFrag wrote...

This chart will also help in your interactions as well:
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*figures out how to make that Qun youtube vid my ringtone*


This emotion chart works for the Warden as well.

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In Exile wrote...

Faerunner wrote...
We haven't explored how OMG HARD is to be born to privilege, loose said privilege, go through the horrible agony of actually having to work for that fortune


You mean like being part of the greatest noble family in a kingdom, seeing it all raised to the ground, watching your father bleed to death in your hands, and then being brande a traitor and conscripted into a military order? Only to have to rebuild your name and legacy, and culminate with a series of showdowns and a historic victory against an ancient evil? 

Because [insert name] Cousland has a bone to pick with you.

(because, like, omg, it should just be served to them on a silver platter just for being born), and/or go through the painful cliche of watching the family die out painfully. We should have another game about THAT protagonist; because two games wasn't enough.


... Being born to privilege = it being served on a silver platter. 
.... Family die out painfully = loose said privige 

So I don't understand what you're complaining about, other than you want your humans to have pointy ears. 


Fae was actually employing massive, massive sarcasm, friend...

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^ Even so it is annoying to see her whine in every thread about Racial choices when it's very clear that she doesn't care about racial choices. It's very clear that she just wants to be an elf and wouldn't give a damn if the was only choice, hell she'd probably count it as progress.

Honestly I'm just real tired of seeing "Bioware is limiting our choices once again" when they know damn well they just want to be pointy eared special snowflake humans again. Seriously just ask yourselves this question "If the choices in DA3 were ONLY Human and Elf, would BSN complain about limited racial choices?"

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The Qunari are a religion, not a race.

The (typically) horned people who make up the bulk of the Qun are the Kossith.

But yeah. If choosing race is even an option again in the future, hopefully it is possible to be a Kossith and potentially a part of the Qun.


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In Exile wrote...

So I don't understand what you're complaining about, other than you want your humans to have pointy ears. 


Elves aren't humans with pointy ears any more than dwarves are simply short humans. The fictional races have their own culture and backstory, and some groups even have their own set of beliefs that differ from the mythology of the Andrastian Chantry. Some people prefer to play as elven and dwarven protagonists than as Andrastian humans. I'm also surprised you, of all people, would forget about the differences between the humans and the elves. You and I debated the cultural differences between Andrastian humans and the elves of the Dales  for several pages, so I'm not certain how you can make that statement.

Personally, I don't care for the "human only" approach when I prefer the non-human protagonists or the Andrastian culture that comes across as boring to me.

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Enigmatick wrote...

 "If the choices in DA3 were ONLY Human and Elf, would BSN complain about limited racial choices?"


I think there would be complain as long as the new DA games have less choise than DA:O.
after all, that is the only mistake. If DA:O didn't had racial choise, no one would complaine about the human protagonist.

Have you see anyone complaine about it in mass effect? no, because the protagonist has Always been human.

Have someone complained about it in Kotor? or in kotor2? or in the various Fallout?

nope, because those games started from the first game with a human protagonist only.
and I don't mention the various witcher, deus ex etcetera, because I don't play game without female character, but even in those, no one complaine about the pre-made or imposted protagonist, because it's like the brand of the series has Always been. so no need to complaine. but when a game like DA:O give you alla the choise, is only logical people complaine when choise are taken away.

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^My point is that most of those who are very vocal about a lack or racial choices just want to be elven and don't care about racial choices.

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Enigmatick wrote...

^ Even so it is annoying to see her whine in every thread about Racial choices when it's very clear that she doesn't care about racial choices. It's very clear that she just wants to be an elf and wouldn't give a damn if the was only choice, hell she'd probably count it as progress.


Having a preference doesn't mean that she wants to prohibit anyone from playing as their preferred racial option. I prefer to play as an elven protagonist, but I want all the racial options to return, since I know there were others who preferred the other races; I know The Ethereal Writer Redux was fond of his Dwarven Noble.

Enigmatick wrote...

Honestly I'm just real tired of seeing "Bioware is limiting our choices once again" when they know damn well they just want to be pointy eared special snowflake humans again.


In other words, the next Dragon Age game is limiting our choices is limiting us to a human protagonist. I don't see what's factually inaccurate about that. It's already clear to me that it isn't really an issue for you, but it is for some of us who don't enjoy playing as a human protagonist in a fantasy setting.

Enigmatick wrote...

Seriously just ask yourselves this question "If the choices in DA3 were ONLY Human and Elf, would BSN complain about limited racial choices?" 


The players who want the option to play as a Dwarven protagonist would certainly voice their opinion.

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^My point is that most of those who are very vocal about a lack or racial choices just want to be elven and don't care about racial choices.


I'm not so sure. I have seen here on BSN and in a lot of forum I usually read, lot of people complaining for their dwarfs. mostly because there are, in the last years, not many RPG who give the chance to play as one,

Maybe most people like Elf in DA because are the most oppressed race. even castless dawarfs are quite opressed, but only when in Orzamarr.
Elf are more complicated, and are outcast in most of the places. for example, a City Elf would be discriminated non only from the humans, but from Dalish Elf too.
DA:O gave a great vision of those groups of people, and for a lot of players it was expected to play again as them.

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I'd *love* to play as a qunari, and expressed that opinion prior to it being revealed that Inquisition is humans-only. Alas, I can only hope for the future. DAIV, DAV, etc.

And after seeing the new qunari concept art ITT... oh baby.

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I like playing the underdog so elves and casteless dwarves were perfect for me. Also being forced into playing the default, majority, upper class/ruling/successful race: human in a setting where there is so much more out there is boring. Human culture in DA is so similar to real life, down to their religion where dwarves, elves, and qunari are exotic and appealing. When I'm playing a fantasy game I want to explore the lore and the world from different perspectives and not just one, especially if that perspective is the default, privileged one. Any fantasy game where I'm forced to be a human will always have that as a negative point against it IMO. As a human I feel like I'm the kid that didn't get invited to the awesome birthday party and is stuck outside looking in with jealousy, seeing all this cool stuff that he can't have.

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You mean like being part of the greatest noble family in a kingdom, seeing it all raised to the ground [...] Only to have to rebuild your name and legacy


Rather than keeping the name and legacy you got simply for being born? Yeah, such a hardship.

Also, the whole "slaughtered family" is such an over-used cliche that I can't even pretend to be invested. Even if I could, Cousland is not the only person to lose family and livelihood (not even by Howe, who also butchered and enslaved most of the Denerim Alienage), yet there are so many in Thedas who never had privilege to begin with, who still lose everything and never have the chance to regain what little they lost (since the law tends to look the other way for minority groups like mages, casteless, elves, slaves, etc. the way it never would for nobles), so my sympathy is still limited. 

So I don't understand what you're complaining about, other than you want your humans to have pointy ears. 

I don't want humans. I find humans bland and boring. I find human nobles insufferably annoying. 

I find the two emotional hooks that BioWare uses to try to get players invested in their human nobles (slaughtered family and loss of privilege) to be uninvesting and unsympathetic. As I said, the old "slaughtered family" cliche is so over-used that I can't bring myself to care. As I said, I have so little sympathy for the privileged that I find the "lost privilege and need to regain it" scenario unsympathetic. Yet, they've shown up twice in both games and will likely appear again. 

If pointy ears were all it took to be an elf, I wouldn't care as much. If elves had the same history, culture, and socio/economic position as humans, I wouldn't care as much. However, elves have different places in society and I like seeing the world from their perspective. I like the elves' society and culture and I like exploring their place in the world. I also like exploring dwarves' perspectives and (as I said earlier) I would LOVE the chance to explore the Qunari/Tal-Vashoth perspective.

You don't see what I'm "complaining" about? Let me make it clear: I love how DA:O gave us the chance to explore the perspectives of different characters from different racial, cultural, and socio/economic backgrounds. (The city elf happens to be my favorite, but I never would have known if I wasn't given the option to explore different origins.) However, I was disappointed and annoyed that they chose to dash the races and origins in favor of rehashing the same old "noble human loses privilege and family" formula for DA2. I am disappointed and annoyed that they will likely bring the formula back instead of bringing back the exploration of races and origins for DA3.

What's more, I am disappointed that they will be bringing back a race and likely an origin that we've already gotten in two games (because it wasn't original the first time), rather than exploring a new race or origin that we have not gotten get. We've all had the option to be humans; and elves and dwarves, (some enjoy them more than others), but not the Qunari/Tal-Vashoth. Many players are very interested in playing a kossith in addition to or instead of a human, but we only have the option to be a human (which we've already done before and which many aren't interested in) and not a kossith (which would be new, different, interesting, and worth exploring).

However, as much as I would love a kossith, I would just settle for getting elves and dwarves back. Because when all is said and done, I'm just not interested in human protagonists. I loved playing elves and dwarves, and I would love getting the chance to play them again.

Is that clear enough for you?

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Honestly I'm just real tired of seeing "Bioware is limiting our choices once again" when they know damn well they just want to be pointy eared special snowflake humans again.


Actually, elves are not special snowflake humans, which is exactly why I enjoy playing them. They are treated like vermin and have to earn their respect the hard way. Which I like hell of a lot more than being treated (or act like they should be treated) like they're special just from being from a noble family. *cough*Cousland*cough*Hawke*cough*

Also, the OP is requesting the option to eventually play a kossith, which is not an elf.

Seriously just ask yourselves this question "If the choices in DA3 were ONLY Human and Elf, would BSN complain about limited racial choices?"


Do you realize what thread you're in?

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^ So if the DA3 protagnist was only playable as an Elf would you take issue?

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playng as an Elf only would be great for the first time, but surely refreshing. It would already be something different than DA2. It would be a REAL rase to power.

it would still be quite boring after the third time for me (only ended one game at DA2.) because of my love for something different than human, and my simpaty for Elf, but in the end it would end equally forgotten somewhere in my bedroom.

more choise are Always better than only one. It give more chance to create different character, and take different choise in game.

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Enigmatick wrote...

^ So if the DA3 protagnist was only playable as an Elf would you take issue?


They will never make a game where you only play an elf.  80% played humans.  They want the games to sell

I loved all the Origins (although I lean more toward city elf than dalish) They said we will have a choice of backstory.

I also don't mind playing humans because I can USE my imagination and play the Cousland Origin how I wish. Its become trendy to hate that Origin. 

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^ So if the DA3 protagnist was only playable as an Elf would you take issue?


You and I both know that's never going to happen.

That said: Yes. I like playing dwarves too. I also know a few people who love playing dwarves as much as I love playing elves, so I would empathize with them not being able to play a race they love when others are available. I also empathize with people who desperately want the chance to play a kossith and haven't gotten the chance to do so. Also, if I was honest, I wouldn't enjoy being forced to play one race either. Even if it was a race I actually liked, I would still like the option to try different races and would rest easy knowing other people have the option they love. (Yes, I'll admit this includes humans, though my sympathy is much more limited because they already have a whole game to themselves.)

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