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[Sloth Of Doom]

outlaworacle wrote...

Is Blood Magic evil?

Was the Pope a Hitler Youth?

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[Bullets McDeath]

Sloth Of Doom wrote...

outlaworacle wrote...

Is Blood Magic evil?

Was the Pope a Hitler Youth?

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ya'llve been a great thread. tip the veal, try your waitress!

[marbatico]

Tor_pedo wrote...

marbatico wrote...

you know why the chantry says its evil, becouse they beleave its 'overpowered' magic, something that needs a load of templars to withstand. there just scared that mages will take over the world, even though the mages know better than that.

that's like saying: Hitler didn't try to rid the world of jews - he knew better than that.

yea, well, the Tevintir mages were insane.
 
if  circle mages were allowed to use blood magic the darkspawn wouldnt have stood a chanche at ostagar.

[addiction21]

I liked the old pope. He was a ****** and looked just like my grandpops. Like they were seperated at birth.

[Tor_pedo]

Yes, think about it: a blood mage can MC at least 1 creature, while raining doom upon large grps of ppl. if 50 mages controlled at least 1 creature each, + throwing inferno and stuffs around, the battle would've been easy. But nooooo.... ppl sux. the chantry sux. everyone sux except from the grey wardens!



yes, i know there were only 7 mages. 8 if the pc was one. and perhaps a few others from the GWs or summat.

[marbatico]

isnt it said somewhere that the ferelden wardens only have a single mage at a time?

[Tor_pedo]

marbatico wrote...

isnt it said somewhere that the ferelden wardens only have a single mage at a time?

a mage in the tower says that, but he is old and probably senile. 1 mage at a time just wouldnt make any sense, especially considering Duncan's affection for their power.

[Herr Uhl]

Tor_pedo wrote...

marbatico wrote...

isnt it said somewhere that the ferelden wardens only have a single mage at a time?

a mage in the tower says that, but he is old and probably senile. 1 mage at a time just wouldnt make any sense, especially considering Duncan's affection for their power.

Political stuff, the chantry wants to keep them under supervision I guess.

[Bullets McDeath]

marbatico wrote...

isnt it said somewhere that the ferelden wardens only have a single mage at a time?

I believe it's the guy in the Mage Origin who declined the Warden's offer last time they came to the Tower to recruit. He could have been mistaken, though... I guess you could argue it from a lore perspective (mages being supposedly so rare) but it doesn't make much sense. Honestly, you'd think they'd want as many as they could possibly recruit. Though perhaps Warden Mages are more succeptible to possession or something.

[Tor_pedo]

Herr Uhl wrote...

Tor_pedo wrote...

marbatico wrote...

isnt it said somewhere that the ferelden wardens only have a single mage at a time?

a mage in the tower says that, but he is old and probably senile. 1 mage at a time just wouldnt make any sense, especially considering Duncan's affection for their power.

Political stuff, the chantry wants to keep them under supervision I guess.

But the chantry has no power over the Grey Wardens

[Herr Uhl]

Tor_pedo wrote...
But the chantry has no power over the Grey Wardens

Yes, cause the chantry could never dare to cross the GW. It is all politics, give and take. People has no power over a despot either, but the despot still does not cross the people.

[Freely]

Blood magic itself isn't evil, but ways to fuel it are.



a task that takes several trained mages and lyrium a single apprentice mage can accomplish with blood magic and a sacrifice.



Thus, blood magic can give a mage the power of several mages. Now, even with the best of intentions that power can be abused.



What if you could sacrifice one person to save 100? What if you could sacrifice 10000 people to save a kingdom? What if you could sacrifice 10000 more to rule that kingdom with no fear of opposition. I think it would take a great deal of control for that kind of power to not make the person evil.



On second thoughts, perhaps a power that allows you to sacrifice others to increase your power is evil.

[marbatico]

but just look at jowan, he isnt evil, and his blood magic turned out to be pretty handy, even if someone had to die for it.

[Tor_pedo]

I dont know. SOMETIMES the ends justify the means. sacrificing 1 to save 100 would be worthwhile imo. Though depending entirely on who that person was.

[.Raven.rpg]

No It isn"t

but my mage still doesn"t feel "huraaaaaa" when he use his blood so I don"t like it

[marbatico]

i bet logain wouldnt even hesitate to volunteer if it could save ferelden.

[Freely]

Tor_pedo wrote...

I dont know. SOMETIMES the ends justify the means. sacrificing 1 to save 100 would be worthwhile imo. Though depending entirely on who that person was.

Ah, but the point is, where does it end and how do you decide on those to sacrifice? Then, once that line is blurred what other reason are acceptable to sacrifice people for?

I understand the sacrifice of solider in rl etc, but just because its the best/right thing to do doesn't mean its the good thing to do.

Personally, the only time I'd say sacrificing 1 person to save 100 people is acceptable is if that 1 person happens to be the person suggesting the idea.

[marbatico]

just use the blood of murderers and deserters, now THAT is something to keep people from commiting a crime.

[Rustedknight]

The main reasons Blood Magic would be viewed as evil are:
1.       Most often learned from demons.
2.       Used to control minds.
3.       Can involve the use of human sacrifice in place of lyrium.
All three will be looked at unkindly by the Chantry, but number 3 is what would make most Circle mages leery of it.

[Freely]

marbatico wrote...

just use the blood of murderers and deserters, now THAT is something to keep people from commiting a crime.

But haven't you just became a murderer? Are you any better than those you are willing to sacrifice? Who decides that you have the right to live and go on sacrificing people to enhance your own power? What happens when you run out of murderers & deserters?

Hmm, I kinda like playing devil's advocate.

Anyway, I think all the schools of magic in the game can be used to commit evil, but only one allows that to happen by causing harm in the first place.

[Deldarian]

@marbatico haha talk about capital punishment on roids. That would be a great way to prevent crime.

[Tor_pedo]

Freely wrote...

Tor_pedo wrote...

I dont know. SOMETIMES the ends justify the means. sacrificing 1 to save 100 would be worthwhile imo. Though depending entirely on who that person was.

Ah, but the point is, where does it end and how do you decide on those to sacrifice? Then, once that line is blurred what other reason are acceptable to sacrifice people for?

I understand the sacrifice of solider in rl etc, but just because its the best/right thing to do doesn't mean its the good thing to do.

Personally, the only time I'd say sacrificing 1 person to save 100 people is acceptable is if that 1 person happens to be the person suggesting the idea.

Huzzah! You're Jesus 

Say, if you could save 100 ppl for each 1 person you sacrificed... ....

[marbatico]

Freely wrote...

marbatico wrote...

just use the blood of murderers and deserters, now THAT is something to keep people from commiting a crime.

But haven't you just became a murderer? Are you any better than those you are willing to sacrifice? Who decides that you have the right to live and go on sacrificing people to enhance your own power? What happens when you run out of murderers & deserters?

Hmm, I kinda like playing devil's advocate.

Anyway, I think all the schools of magic in the game can be used to commit evil, but only one allows that to happen by causing harm in the first place.

i guess whoever gives me ,as a "hangman", the order to do so, be it a king or commander, dicides whether i become a murderer or not.

Modifié par marbatico, 15 janvier 2010 - 10:01 .

[Freely]

Tor_pedo wrote...

Huzzah! You're Jesus 

Say, if you could save 100 ppl for each 1 person you sacrificed... ....

Ok, I can answer that one

By my reckoning: ~6.5 billion people on the planet. That would mean to ensure the survival of the human race I could sacrifice 65 million people and not be considered a monster or evil? History would remember me as a hero because the ends justified the means.

Of course, the secret answer could be that I really didn't need to sacrifice anyone, but that powers I had at hand allowed me to.

However, we digress. Apologies to the OP, the question is if BM is evil, not us.

[Frozeal]

outlaworacle wrote...

Is Blood Magic evil?

Was the Pope a Hitler Youth?

Christianity is bad.
The pope is like the emperor of evil, the most institucionalized religion nowadays... at least the don't deny evolution hahahaha