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[Rulian]

Blood control and possession both achieve the same effect. So why do the critics here consider possession evil and not mind control?

[maxernst]

Do we know how blood magic actually works? Although I used the line earlier that magic has no color, only uses, it might depend on where the power actually comes from. Is it coming directly from spilling the blood? Spilling blood for power calls to mind ritual sacrifice to gods, so...maybe spilling blood actually feeds the power of a demon and in return he grants powers to his followers (even if they don't know that that's how it works). Maybe it even causes the blight.

[RedSocialKnight]

Yes, blood wound and mind control are evil.



You know what else is evil? STABBING SOMEBODY WITH A SWORD.

[J-all]

Is blood magic evil? ....(looking at you stunned)...What kinda question is that? Always answer a dumb question with a dumb question is crack evil is meth is aids evil is ebola evil car wrecks etc...Its not a matter of is something evil it's a matter of is it dangerous. How do you learn blood magic where did it come from? We all know the answer to this so it would have to be considered dangerous at best if not forbidden. If am wrong correct me but I don't think you can use blood magic on demons. I don't know i'm a AW/SpH. To me a bloodmage would be useless at certain points of the game if your enemies don't have blood so a bloodmage i no threat to demons.

[Zemore]

J-all wrote...

Is blood magic evil? ....(looking at you stunned)...What kinda question is that? Always answer a dumb question with a dumb question is crack evil is meth is aids evil is ebola evil car wrecks etc...Its not a matter of is something evil it's a matter of is it dangerous. How do you learn blood magic where did it come from? We all know the answer to this so it would have to be considered dangerous at best if not forbidden. If am wrong correct me but I don't think you can use blood magic on demons. I don't know i'm a AW/SpH. To me a bloodmage would be useless at certain points of the game if your enemies don't have blood so a bloodmage i no threat to demons.

you answered A QUESTION WITH A QUESTION
that isnt an actual answer
demons can be hurt with Bmagic =_= jowan used his own blood to hurt templars also blod mages can use conventinal magic and they are dangerous to begin with

[dragonsouce]

it's the religion that hate mages and Blood Mages are the strongest of all so there the most hated. The church dose not want anyone knowing anything about them.

Andraste was probably(I did say Probably) one her self (and if not her her powers still match the definition of a blood mage) as her powers seem to be geared to controlling the minds of crowds and blighting crops and her miracles seemed to be to powerful to be normal magic(slightly dark) that she learns and gets from a spirit that the embodiment of the creator.IE Andraste = blood mage.

So the church outlaws the alternative explanation for her powers that she tecknickaly at the very least matches at the very least.(that assuming it realy was the creator and not just a demon that she was working for.In witch case she realy was just a blood mage.) Hey all she did was controled a large mob and blighted crops.And she got thoes powers from a spirit.(that a blood mage even if the spirit turned out to be god,Which I kind of dout anyway.) There even a book in the game that claims she was just a really powerful mage that has been partly burned.So is a blood mage evil no but it is against the law so only evil out laws will normaly learn it. And since there no schools for it got be learned from the souce i.e. demons or spirits.Which is both risky and stupid.
Important to note it's mentioned several times that Wardens are some of the only people allowed to learn Blood magic legally.As all is allowed to fight the blight.

Modifié par dragonsouce, 21 février 2010 - 09:46 .

[dragonsouce]

J-all wrote...

Is blood magic evil? ....(looking at you stunned)...What kinda question is that? Always answer a dumb question with a dumb question is crack evil is meth is aids evil is ebola evil car wrecks etc...Its not a matter of is something evil it's a matter of is it dangerous. How do you learn blood magic where did it come from? We all know the answer to this so it would have to be considered dangerous at best if not forbidden. If am wrong correct me but I don't think you can use blood magic on demons. I don't know i'm a AW/SpH. To me a bloodmage would be useless at certain points of the game if your enemies don't have blood so a bloodmage i no threat to demons.

They actully say it does work on demons and can control them.Sadly not for the pc just Npc blood mages.

PS
sorry for the double posting my browser doing strange things when I edit. so I figured I use the blank post it made.

Modifié par dragonsouce, 21 février 2010 - 09:44 .

[dragonsouce]

Modifié par dragonsouce, 21 février 2010 - 09:41 .

[Destrier77]

Wow im suprised at how most people replied here. In my opinion Blood magic is evil since it uses pain and death and calls its power from these things.



Just like a sword is evil, yes it is. What purpose has a sword but to kill someone?



Just like a nuclear bomb is evil. I would say most every magic except healing in this game is evil which in my opinion makes the chantry an excellent part of the story in this game. Its pretty realistic. I mean if you think if the same power existed in our world most likely a similar control would be put upon it.



These things can be used as a lesser evil, and i know that sometimes you have to do the that evil (ie dropping a bomb on an invader, killing a murderer with a sword) but they are not neutral or good. They are undeniably evil!! In a perfect good world, you would chat to your enemies and they would agree to come to some solution, like in those gay next generation episodes, but sometimes in life talking doesnt work.



Saying that, i dont have any qualms using them

[Vaylemn]

blood magic is more potentially evil, but not necessarily when wielded by a good person. The skill that kills your ally to save yourself and the mind control thing sounds quite evil, but if you use it for a greater good, you are not evil.

[Jace Surana]

Evil is actually a point of view.



The mindless sheep of the chantry would tell you it's evil.



A heroic blood mage like myself or Jowan would tell you it depends on how you use it.



Blood magic is powerful. And dangerous. But really, so is arcane magic, or swordsmanship. Just because I'm a blood mage doesn't mean I'm like Uldred, and I'd consider myself insulted if someone insinuated such a thing.









Then I'd brutally murder them.

[molech322]

Duncan said it best himself that Blood Magic has its uses as a weapon against the Blight. I'm on my second playthrough with my Arcane Warrior/Blood Mage. Although I had to do an evil act to unlock it, I do not see it as being throughly evil all except for Blood Sacrifice which sucks the life out of your allies.

[molech322]

I really had no opinion about the Chantry until I completed the Mage Origin Storyline. I absolutely despise them and I think they should be destroyed.

[ZaroktheImmortal]

Blood magic is no more evil than any other weapon. Is controlling minds evil? Well what if someone was trying to kill you would it be evil to control their minds to stop them? What if Bandits were killing people would it be evil to control their minds to prevent harm to these people?

[Charsen]

Blood magic is more evil than a sword because.... you don't have to deal with a demon to get a sword, and you don't have to kill someone to get a sword.

[Ken555]

Well its supposed to be something about mind domination. but they also use other peoples life source to fuel their power.

[ZaroktheImmortal]

Ken555 wrote...

Well its supposed to be something about mind domination. but they also use other peoples life source to fuel their power.

Not necessarily a blood mage could just use their own blood to fuel their spells.

[Dansayshi]

Its supposed to be, but its evilness was sapped away when you meet Jowan, the fact you can simply teach it to wynne etc.



It looks like its got a good side. Surprised no1 even comments on the player specialisations at all aswell, mages should comment on the char being a templar or templars should be pretty pissed that your a blood mage.



Im guessing in other parts of Thedas blood magic isn't as "evil"

[Red Frostraven]

Charsen wrote...

Blood magic is more evil than a sword because.... you don't have to deal with a demon to get a sword, and you don't have to kill someone to get a sword.

Once ONE of your characters get the blood mage class, any of your characters can use it.
Just like Jowan, who allegedly read the books in the first enchanter's quarters to learn blood magic; he had never been in the veil or outside the tower, remember?

Had it NOT been banned, people would NOT have to consort with demons to learn it, no?
...
So, in a sense, the censorship of blood magic is a grave evil itself.

It is dangerous to be sure, but outlawing that which is dangerous is not the way to go: 
Control is the way. Teach those who are sane, capable and mature enough to use the magic.

Modifié par Red Frostraven, 28 février 2010 - 02:42 .

[Ponce de Leon]

I think that throwing a fireball in a kindergarten is more evil, but that's just me. Evil is a difficult term to explain. So, I wouldn't consider blood mages evil, no. In history, religion did many injustices. For example, Nero burned Christianity, Christianity started the crusades and killed lots of people. My point is that the chantry is scared about blood magic, or general magic. They don't want to lose their power, so they write 100 boring rules about magic and become the monsters themselves.



So the true evil for me is the chantry. Kill the chantry I say!

[Ahisgewaya]

THe problem with blood mages is the same problem I've seen in every "blood magic guide".
Namely, every guide tells you to put all your attribute points into magic and constitution, instead of magic and willpower. This would naturally lead to very healthy, very weak willed mages as the more powerful blood magic users. And this is why so many blood mages eventually get possesed. The path itself encourages one to develop their body at the expense of their will.

Modifié par Ahisgewaya, 28 février 2010 - 05:09 .

[Red Frostraven]

Whoever in the world invests points in willpower -- we have infinite mana through lyrium pots.

While more health is kind of NECESSARY because beeing low on health is a tad more dangerous than beeing low on mana.

[Astranagant]

Are demons evil? Yes. Are demons the source of blood magic? Yes.

2 + 2 = ???

It doesn't help that most blood mages like to use unwilling victims as the source for the blood in their magic.

Modifié par Astranagant, 28 février 2010 - 05:36 .

[AlanC9]

Well, infinite lyrium potions aren't free. Keep relying on those forever and you'll be gimping yourself.



I'm not saying that it's worth taking more WP, mind. I don't think either WP or CON are worth much , though you might want a little more HP to avoid getting two-shotted.

[AlanC9]

Well, infinite lyrium potions aren't free. Keep relying on those forever and you'll be gimping yourself.



I'm not saying that it's worth taking more WP, mind. I don't think either WP or CON are worth much , though you might want a little more HP to avoid getting two-shotted.