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[arial]

 I see alot of people on these forums say the game sucks because "EA forced the release date to early" or "EA was forceing Bioware to put Multiplayer in the game".

To all those who said EA ruined the game, you may find this article of interest


www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/123200-EA-Gave-BioWare-Complete-Creative-Control

Modifié par arial, 10 avril 2013 - 09:34 .

[Ultrabobo]

saw it this afternoon, all i could think is

"this..... this is troubling"

[Samtheman63]

nothing in this article says anything about EA not forcing the release date, just that they didnt interfere with the game development, which id of guessed anyway - EA are the publishers

[teh DRUMPf!!]

 Interesting read. For the most part, I've never sold on all this "big bad EA" talk, myself.

[Suron]

Samtheman63 wrote...

nothing in this article says anything about EA not forcing the release date, just that they didnt interfere with the game development, which id of guessed anyway - EA are the publishers

this times OVER 9000!

seriously though...that.

of course they didn't "interfere" with the game..they're the publisher..not the developer (BIoWare was the dev..obviously)

but if you actually think EA didn't pressure (and albeit force) them to get the game done with a certain window....you're clueless.

if EA didn't pressure it to release by x date (or within a certain window of that date) then why do we constantly here x was cut due to time...y was cut due to time.....

if they didn't pressure the release how come Javik wasn't included (if you believe BioWare) because they "ran out of time"

how come that chart that was floating around with all kinds of possible outcomes, INCLUDING a "YAY WE WON" scenerio where Shepard lives (not by an ambiguous "breath" scene), based off assets gained, decisions made, etc......was trunkated into what we got because they "ran out of time"?

need I go on? don't derp.  derp is bad

seriously? open your eyes....the derp will exit

Modifié par Suron, 10 avril 2013 - 09:41 .

[Enhanced]

arial wrote...

 I see alot of people on these forums say the game sucks because "EA forced the release date to early" or "EA was forceing Bioware to put Multiplayer in the game".

To all those who said EA ruined the game, you may find this article of interest


www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/123200-EA-Gave-BioWare-Complete-Creative-Control

"EA was not all that intrusive"

"We had complete creative control over a lot of it"


So, did Bioware have complete creative control of everything or not?

Modifié par Enhanced, 10 avril 2013 - 09:42 .

[darkway1]

Bioware is owned by EA........Bioware is EA...........there will never be any debate between the two because they are the same company...........can people not understand this?

[Obadiah]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

 Interesting read. For the most part, I've never sold on all this "big bad EA" talk, myself.

Me neither. Of course, I'm still not sure how much of this is a political response. Still, I liked ME 3 from the beginning.

[Spartas Husky]

........right they are not pressuring anyone into a quick buck. They are a responsable profit driven company that relies on long term stable investments to deliver epic graphic good games with in depth story lines across the board.

[goose2989]

Who cares about that article?! We need to save Greg and order him a shaving razor! That beard is out of control!

[ruggly]

Maybe not with the creative progress, but they did ask for an extra six months to fix the ending after it was leaked. EA only gave them three so they could make quarter. Though I'm not sure if an extra three months would have made that much of a difference.

Modifié par ruggly, 10 avril 2013 - 10:03 .

[dreamgazer]

Are we lumping time constraints together with creative meddling?

[MasterShepardN7]

You do realize that they could have had complete creative control yet be on a very tight leash right? I mean you have to be a complete moron to believe everything you read when it comes to this kind of stuff. You have to learn to read between the lines. This article is coming from one of the doctors which need I remind you both managed to step down after EA manages to get more heavily involved? You don't have to be Spiderman to know that something just doesn't feel right here. My spidey sense went off and they way EA deals with just about any sort of problem is just plain wrong and awful. It's not just ME3 it's all kinds of things. That and there's evidence that indicates otherwise. I mean yeah I'm sure the team did have a lot of creative control over the project, but it was EA's dirty lust for greed that ended up ruining it all. There's a pattern/cycle if you will with not only Mass Effect, but other game IP's as well. It's one of many reasons why they're named a bad company and also relates to why they one that golden poo award again this year.

[Steelcan]

That article on mentions creative decisions. It doesn't mention rushed releases.

[TheCrazyHobo]

Samtheman63 wrote...

nothing in this article says anything about EA not forcing the release date, just that they didnt interfere with the game development, which id of guessed anyway - EA are the publishers

[AresKeith]

dreamgazer wrote...

Are we lumping time constraints together with creative meddling?

Seems like it, don't know they got that from "EA rushed the game"

[Kataphrut94]

I'd have thought that was obvious. If EA were interfering with creative control, they wouldn't have let the original ending go through. They would have said "That looks like you're trying to be clever. Clever doesn't sell. Just do a big happy ending full of explosions or make it all a dream or something".

[arial]

MasterShepardN7 wrote...

You do realize that they could have had complete creative control yet be on a very tight leash right? I mean you have to be a complete moron to believe everything you read when it comes to this kind of stuff. You have to learn to read between the lines. This article is coming from one of the doctors which need I remind you both managed to step down after EA manages to get more heavily involved? You don't have to be Spiderman to know that something just doesn't feel right here. My spidey sense went off and they way EA deals with just about any sort of problem is just plain wrong and awful. It's not just ME3 it's all kinds of things. That and there's evidence that indicates otherwise. I mean yeah I'm sure the team did have a lot of creative control over the project, but it was EA's dirty lust for greed that ended up ruining it all. There's a pattern/cycle if you will with not only Mass Effect, but other game IP's as well. It's one of many reasons why they're named a bad company and also relates to why they one that golden poo award again this year.

last I heard the doctors "retired".

retireing is not the same as stepping down.

[Aveiceae]

how come that chart that was floating around with all kinds of possible outcomes, INCLUDING a "YAY WE WON" scenerio where Shepard lives (not by an ambiguous "breath" scene), based off assets gained, decisions made, etc......was trunkated into what we got because they "ran out of time"?

Weird, don't think I ever saw a chart with a YAY WE WON scenario, kind of sad to know it existed at some point... have a link to it?

[Indy_S]

"Rushed" doesn't really excuse poor overall narrative.

Synopsis: The war against the Reapers has been raging for almost twenty minutes. Now, ancient blueprints have been uncovered that has the potential to swing this entire war...

If I read that in a summary for a movie, I would have very low expectations for that movie.

[Tom Lehrer]

Enhanced wrote...

"EA was not all that intrusive"

"We had complete creative control over a lot of it"


So, did Bioware have complete creative control of everything or not?

If I had to guess MultiPlayer was EA intruding.

[Ultrabobo]

Kataphrut94 wrote...

I'd have thought that was obvious. If EA were interfering with creative control, they wouldn't have let the original ending go through. They would have said "That looks like you're trying to be clever. Clever doesn't sell. Just do a big happy ending full of explosions or make it all a dream or something".

Plus, i remember a lot of people (me included) were willing to pay for a "real ending" DLC back in the days, so i'd say that commander cobra would have seen the quickest buck ever evil plan and put a leash on the poor developers.

Is strange, and a little sad to see how EA is going to win that prize again because DLC....... i agree there are a lot of questionable things EA does, but this is definitely going too far.

[The Twilight God]

arial wrote...

 I see alot of people on these forums say the game sucks because "EA forced the release date to early" or "EA was forceing Bioware to put Multiplayer in the game".

To all those who said EA ruined the game, you may find this article of interest


www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/123200-EA-Gave-BioWare-Complete-Creative-Control

People will continue to blame EA because they can't accept the fact that Bioware is losing their touch.  The idea that EA would sabotage the game is absurd. I guess all the other franchises like Battlefield, Madden, The Sims, Crysis, Dead Space, etc. were sabotaged as well? Nope. ME3 actually came out LATER than it was supposed to. They had EXTRA time to polish it.

Note the same people aren't praising EA for Dragon Age: Origins or ME2. Only when the **** hits the fan is it EA's fault, while all the triumphs are solely the work of Bioware. If anything I wish EA did get involved. We probably would have got a satisfying conclusion.

Modifié par The Twilight God, 10 avril 2013 - 10:37 .

[crimzontearz]

lol oh you mean like Rock steady is endorsing the new batman team?

COME ON.....if they thought otherwise do you think they would be even remotely allowed to utter a single word about it?

why do people still fall for this?

[Steelcan]

The Twilight God wrote...

People will continue to blame EA because they can't accept the fact that Bioware is losing their touch.  The idea that EA would sabotage the game is absurd. I guess all the other franchises like Battlefield, Madden, The Sims, Crysis, Dead Space, etc. were sabotaged as well? Nope. ME3 actually came out LATER than it was supposed to. They had EXTRA time to polish it.
.

. ME3 was delayed six months, apparantly Casey Hudson wanted another year.