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[RedJohn]

Annomander wrote...

Air Quotes wrote...

RedJohn wrote...

Well, from my humble opinion, I don't think the hack glitch and the run with the pizza are the same thing.

When you run with the pizza you are not exploiting a glitch, it's a game mechanic( since the beggining it should have allow us to run ) besides, you still carry the pizza.

When you hack outside the hack you are not doing the objective, you are exploiting a glitch and the objective is doing itself, that would be like make the pizza carry itself or get the drone complete the objective alone or even 1234 disables.

Of course, this is just my opinion.

 

Running with Pizza is also a glitch that allows you to complete objective on Rio in 30 seconds instead of 3-4 minutes. 

It's not a glitch as such, it's just an unintended side effect of the way bioware created the whole "use / interact key thing"

This.

Is not the same as missile glitching ( both versions ), Atlas-Shadow Strike, 6/6/6/6/6 builds, Destroyer devastator mode activated and be able to dodge, invisible Slayer/Cabal, the hack glitch, etc etc etc etc etc etc.

[Shepard VI]

OutlawStar58 wrote...
True platinum run?Unlocking all the ultra rares legitamately?Honor?
Would you like a gold star from Bioware or something? I think some of
you guys need to look up the definition of the word "scrub", especially
the bit about the person having their own honor code for every game that
they expect people to follow, I bet you think throwing in street
fighter is still cheap

I haven't played Street Fighter consistently since I was five years old. Back when it was amazing.
What's wrong with having an honor code? I'm not saying there's one for every game, but in multiplayer games? Of course there is. You can either play legitly, the way the game wants you to play, or you can glitch, and cheat, and put on god mode and spawn camp and kill everybody.

This whole conversation reminds me of a brilliant movie:

“Your compassion is a weakness your enemies will not share.”
“That's why it's so important. It's what separates us from them.”

I've never been called a scrub before in all of my years of gaming, so good luck with that. It's not like I actually put any worth into what some random person on the internets thinks about me. If I did, goodness, I truly would be a scrub of which you speak.

Modifié par Shepard VI, 11 avril 2013 - 05:48 .

[lktalon22]

 Did I see what I thought I saw?! You can hack circle without being in the hack circle?! Whoaaa...

This is news to me, despite however long it has been in existence. It is a major exploit and definitely takes away from the amazing Platinum Solo time. Good gameplay tho...

***Man! Does this only work in solo situations or can a whole team benefit if one person sets it up?!***

Hello London Middle Hack!!!

[Haersvaelg]

Great run, xcal is beastly.

Props to Hendrix137 (another beastly player with great vids) as well for beating the time (and acknowledging the rng in getting 'good' objectives).

As far as the hack goes, come on. Just add x seconds extra if you feel like it. When you are getting down to times like this, you are really dependent on luck with objectives anyhow, to get the theoretical 'best possible time', so raging over that he is shaving off 10-20 secs or so seems really weird to me.

[JediHarbinger]

Noooooooooooo!!

[OutlawStar58]

Shepard VI wrote...

OutlawStar58 wrote...
True platinum run?Unlocking all the ultra rares legitamately?Honor?
Would you like a gold star from Bioware or something? I think some of
you guys need to look up the definition of the word "scrub", especially
the bit about the person having their own honor code for every game that
they expect people to follow, I bet you think throwing in street
fighter is still cheap

I haven't played Street Fighter consistently since I was five years old. Back when it was amazing.
What's wrong with having an honor code? I'm not saying there's one for every game, but in multiplayer games? Of course there is. You can either play legitly, the way the game wants you to play, or you can glitch, and cheat, and put on god mode and spawn camp and kill everybody.

This whole conversation reminds me of a brilliant movie:

“Your compassion is a weakness your enemies will not share.”
“That's why it's so important. It's what separates us from them.”

I've never been called a scrub before in all of my years of gaming, so good luck with that. It's not like I actually put any worth into what some random person on the internets thinks about me. If I did, goodness, I truly would be a scrub of which you speak.

No, a scrub is someone who puts worth into how other people should play their game according to the scrub in question, what I think of you doesn't even relate to it and come on bro, seriously? You quoted a movie ( a good film yes) cliche, how does that relate to getting the fastest speedrun? Are you trying to tell me that the enemy AI has compassion or we should have compassion for them? Because they don't, and multiple times in that video they almost screwed up xcal's run with their own bs

[JediHarbinger]

"Coffee is for closers only"

"It takes brass ballz to sell real estate"

[OutlawStar58]

Look, if any of you have the time, please read this, http://www.sirlin.net/ptw/ - its called playing to win, its perfect for this situation

[JohnnyQPublic]

Annomander wrote...

It's not a glitch as such, it's just an unintended side effect of the way bioware created the whole "use / interact key thing"

It's intentional that you can pick the pizza up from a distance, and it was intentional that the button bound performed the exact same function.

Just like it's intentional that sprinting, releasing and repressing quickly keeps you sprinting, and it's intentional that your character can only perform one "interact / use" action at a time, with one overwriting the other.

Far from a glitch in my opinion.

Well said!  I'm glad someone finally explained this.

I'm baffled that people can't see the difference between stringing together a sequence of legitimate button presses in a creative way (pizza running) and exploiting an outright coding bug (missle glitch and hack glitch).

I do like the prior comment about having different categories of speed runs, one that uses glitches and one that is glitch-free.  Speed runners do use glitches all the time.  Have you ever seen the Half-Life 2 speedruns where they just literally float through the air for the entire game?

[cgj]

shame about the stupid mistakes that cost him the sub 20
i don't even want to count how many times just one more step/bullet could have ended this run

[Emperoroverlord]

Come on guys, it's 22nd century and you are telling me we can't upload data remotely .

On a serious note, great run, truly a skillful solo.
Xcal's ME3 vids are all great, almost all my builds are learned from them, changed me from a bronze scrub to gold regular.

And on the account of hack glitch, until bioware fix rocket trooper triple tap, phantom bullsh*t DR and praetorian buttlazer I'm willing to abuse every advantages to player (excluding bannable offences).

Modifié par Emperoroverlord, 11 avril 2013 - 06:15 .

[RiddickX]

RedJohn wrote...

Annomander wrote...

Air Quotes wrote...

RedJohn wrote...

Well, from my humble opinion, I don't think the hack glitch and the run with the pizza are the same thing.

When you run with the pizza you are not exploiting a glitch, it's a game mechanic( since the beggining it should have allow us to run ) besides, you still carry the pizza.

When you hack outside the hack you are not doing the objective, you are exploiting a glitch and the objective is doing itself, that would be like make the pizza carry itself or get the drone complete the objective alone or even 1234 disables.

Of course, this is just my opinion.

 

Running with Pizza is also a glitch that allows you to complete objective on Rio in 30 seconds instead of 3-4 minutes. 

It's not a glitch as such, it's just an unintended side effect of the way bioware created the whole "use / interact key thing"

This.

Is not the same as missile glitching ( both versions ), Atlas-Shadow Strike, 6/6/6/6/6 builds, Destroyer devastator mode activated and be able to dodge, invisible Slayer/Cabal, the hack glitch, etc etc etc etc etc etc.

What amazes me is how people discover these things, and since they didn't do this when the game came out, I'm sure finding these took a lot of time. Invisible Slayer/Cabal? Dodging Destroyer? I never even knew this existed, but it explains some of what I've seen when I came back to the game. I just thought the servers were glitchy (they are). RedJohn -- me abriste los ojos! jajajaja Es muy interesante y cómico al mismo tiempo lo que hace mucha gente.

[flibber89-2]

JohnnyQPublic wrote...

[I do like the prior comment about having different categories of speed runs, one that uses glitches and one that is glitch-free.  Speed runners do use glitches all the time.  Have you ever seen the Half-Life 2 speedruns where they just literally float through the air for the entire game?

Of course exploit speedrun vs non-exploit speedrun like having the steriod olympics versus the legitimate olympics.

[Muhkida]

The way I see it, exploits like pizza running or this outside circle hacking won't be deemed as "cheats" from Bioware as they don't touch the bottom line. As flibber89-2 pretty much stated, Bioware will only take action if it affects the money. MEMP3, being a co-op based game, is another reason. People simply won't ***** about something they're typically benefiting from. And if they are complaining, these exploits only have a 25% chance of happening 3 times an entire playthrough.

If however, this game had some kind of team vs mode between 2 groups of 4 players.... Let's say each team rotates on turns (as the other spectates) and whoever completes their 11 waves the fastest wins. Should people use these exploits, and enough players complain about it and call it cheating, than there will be little doubt in my mind that these actions would be considered a bannable offenses.

[OutlawStar58]

Emperoroverlord wrote...

Come on guys, it's 22nd century and you are telling me we can't upload data remotely .

On a serious note, great run, truly a skillful solo.
Xcal's ME3 vids are all great, almost all my builds are learned from them, change me from a bronze scrub to gold regular.

And on the account of hack glitch, until bioware fix rocket trooper triple tap, phantom bullsh*t DR and praetorian buttlazer I'm willing to abuse every advantages to player (excluding bannable offences).

Imagine if shepherd and co found a way to upload important data without standing in a silly circle, would they do it? yes? Would it affect the story? nope, they would probably even laugh about it on normandy how they would have been stuck in that silly circle.

Now if shepherd and co found infinite cobra missiles, would they use it? yes, would their EVEN be a story? Nope

[JohnnyQPublic]

flibber89-2 wrote...

JohnnyQPublic wrote...

[I do like the prior comment about having different categories of speed runs, one that uses glitches and one that is glitch-free.  Speed runners do use glitches all the time.  Have you ever seen the Half-Life 2 speedruns where they just literally float through the air for the entire game?

Of course exploit speedrun vs non-exploit speedrun like having the steriod olympics versus the legitimate olympics.

Somewhat true, but some exploits are really really hard to pull off and require a lot of skill.  Take a look at some of the Metroid Prime speedruns, where they abuse the scan dash glitch.  The map knowledge and skill required are phenomenal, and the speed runs are breathtaking to watch.  So for that reason, I have no problem with the "steroid olympics," as long as there is also a legitimate one.

[OutlawStar58]

JohnnyQPublic wrote...

flibber89-2 wrote...

JohnnyQPublic wrote...

[I do like the prior comment about having different categories of speed runs, one that uses glitches and one that is glitch-free.  Speed runners do use glitches all the time.  Have you ever seen the Half-Life 2 speedruns where they just literally float through the air for the entire game?

Of course exploit speedrun vs non-exploit speedrun like having the steriod olympics versus the legitimate olympics.

Somewhat true, but some exploits are really really hard to pull off and require a lot of skill.  Take a look at some of the Metroid Prime speedruns, where they abuse the scan dash glitch.  The map knowledge and skill required are phenomenal, and the speed runs are breathtaking to watch.  So for that reason, I have no problem with the "steroid olympics," as long as there is also a legitimate one.

In metroid fusion, theres a sequence break that when completed shows a message from the developers congratualting the player on getting there!

[RedJohn]

RiddickX wrote...

RedJohn wrote...

Annomander wrote...

Air Quotes wrote...

RedJohn wrote...

Well, from my humble opinion, I don't think the hack glitch and the run with the pizza are the same thing.

When you run with the pizza you are not exploiting a glitch, it's a game mechanic( since the beggining it should have allow us to run ) besides, you still carry the pizza.

When you hack outside the hack you are not doing the objective, you are exploiting a glitch and the objective is doing itself, that would be like make the pizza carry itself or get the drone complete the objective alone or even 1234 disables.

Of course, this is just my opinion.

 

Running with Pizza is also a glitch that allows you to complete objective on Rio in 30 seconds instead of 3-4 minutes. 

It's not a glitch as such, it's just an unintended side effect of the way bioware created the whole "use / interact key thing"

This.

Is not the same as missile glitching ( both versions ), Atlas-Shadow Strike, 6/6/6/6/6 builds, Destroyer devastator mode activated and be able to dodge, invisible Slayer/Cabal, the hack glitch, etc etc etc etc etc etc.

What amazes me is how people discover these things, and since they didn't do this when the game came out, I'm sure finding these took a lot of time. Invisible Slayer/Cabal? Dodging Destroyer? I never even knew this existed, but it explains some of what I've seen when I came back to the game. I just thought the servers were glitchy (they are). RedJohn -- me abriste los ojos! jajajaja Es muy interesante y cómico al mismo tiempo lo que hace mucha gente.

There are glitches in this game that most of people don't even imagine, and it should stay like that.

[penguins_r_cool]

capn233 wrote...

This thread has gotten massively stupid.

agreed.  i'm sad i started it.

[Chrxna]

So much butthurt.

[viper_veteran]

Air Quotes wrote...

RedJohn wrote...

Annomander wrote...

Air Quotes wrote...

RedJohn wrote...

Well, from my humble opinion, I don't think the hack glitch and the run with the pizza are the same thing.

When you run with the pizza you are not exploiting a glitch, it's a game mechanic( since the beggining it should have allow us to run ) besides, you still carry the pizza.

When you hack outside the hack you are not doing the objective, you are exploiting a glitch and the objective is doing itself, that would be like make the pizza carry itself or get the drone complete the objective alone or even 1234 disables.

Of course, this is just my opinion.

 

Running with Pizza is also a glitch that allows you to complete objective on Rio in 30 seconds instead of 3-4 minutes. 

It's not a glitch as such, it's just an unintended side effect of the way bioware created the whole "use / interact key thing"

This.

Is not the same as missile glitching ( both versions ), Atlas-Shadow Strike, 6/6/6/6/6 builds, Destroyer devastator mode activated and be able to dodge, invisible Slayer/Cabal, the hack glitch, etc etc etc etc etc etc.

 

It defeats the whole purpose of the objective. So it's the same thing. 

it's the same as map glitches. some parts of the map weren't supposed to be accessible but due to the map design (hydra) players can access it. All three unintended (object & hack) and give players an unfair advantage over others. However like one of the posters above said it's fair game since we have to deal with on host phantom DR etc.

I wouldn't say it was a legit run though

Modifié par viper_veteran, 11 avril 2013 - 06:42 .

[Bechter]

flibber89-2 wrote...

Of course exploit speedrun vs non-exploit speedrun like having the steriod olympics versus the legitimate olympics.

Currently the legitimate olympics (Xbox) is champion of the steriod olympics (PC)

[Disciple888]

JediHarbinger wrote...

"Coffee is for closers only"

"It takes brass ballz to sell real estate"

 Glengarry Ross