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[Angrywolves]

I presume therwill be at least a third and possibly afourth choice .

[The Elder King]

Renmiri1 wrote...

I think David Gaider and other writers mentioned they went a bit overboard on blood mages on Kirkwall, in their effort to not make Templars / Chantry the obvious bad choice.

Considering that the templars in Kirkwall are known to be one of more extreme part of the Order in Thedas, I could understand their thinking ,but making 99% of the mages going blood magic/abomination mode (despite the reason of the city itself making the mages more vulnerable to demons) doesn't make sense.
Even the portrayal of templars doesn't make sense. It it was true that dozend of mages were Tranquilized even before Meredith's insane path (which Anders suggested, and ser Otto/Alrik somehow did in Act 2) I can't understand how the Divine didn't send a Seeker team to investigate. No matter the previous Divine's opinion of magic and mages, it was blatantly obvious that if the mages were continuosly Tranquilized even when they didn't do anything, in the end something could've happened.

[The Elder King]

ibbikiookami wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

ibbikiookami wrote...


It's DAII... It's a very flawed game. That's a development problem not the mages fault. It's what you get when, as it seems, the writers are pro-chantry/templars... Could be wrong though.

They're not. Both groups are portrayed badly in DA2. I hope to see both groups more similar as they were in DAO (with good and bad templar/mages) than the almost totally evil/insane composition of the two groups in DA2.

Really? I only played as a mage so I didn't know about that.

Excuse me, you didn't know about what? The templars' bad portrayal in DA2? They are obviously worse than the templars in DAO.

[Renmiri1]

Aye, Gregoir, the KC Templar in DAO is quite a reasonable man and trusts Irwin, the First Enchanter. He even tells Cullen to take a hike, after Cullen suggests killing all mages.

[Androme]

 I doubt we will pick a side to begin with. I think it'll more be about trying to solve the conflict by whatever means neccecary, without picking a specific side.

[Noctis Augustus]

hhh89 wrote...

ibbikiookami wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

ibbikiookami wrote...


It's DAII... It's a very flawed game. That's a development problem not the mages fault. It's what you get when, as it seems, the writers are pro-chantry/templars... Could be wrong though.

They're not. Both groups are portrayed badly in DA2. I hope to see both groups more similar as they were in DAO (with good and bad templar/mages) than the almost totally evil/insane composition of the two groups in DA2.

Really? I only played as a mage so I didn't know about that.

Excuse me, you didn't know about what? The templars' bad portrayal in DA2? They are obviously worse than the templars in DAO.

Sorry, I was referring to something else. Mages attacked you even though you publically announced you were against Meredith, that's what I was referring to. I completely agree with the evil/insane composition part.

[Sylvius the Mad]

There could be a choice to pursue compromise. Would that count as a neutral option?

[10K]

I'm Pro-Anders, but a neutral option would be very nice (if the PC must pick sides in DA:I). My first playthrough of DA2 I didn't want to get involved with that stupid mess.

[Sutamina]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...
There could be a choice to pursue compromise. Would that count as a neutral option?

Well from what I remember you were required (weather you wanted to or not) actively kill off any templars and mages that pursued a compromise and also not be allowed to talk about compromise for no particular reason. But i could be wrong.

[Plaintiff]

Allowing a "neutral" path is a total cop-out and would totally defeat the purpose of giving the player difficult questions to answer.

Modifié par Plaintiff, 12 avril 2013 - 12:03 .

[Plaintiff]

Renmiri1 wrote...

Aye, Gregoir, the KC Templar in DAO is quite a reasonable man and trusts Irwin, the First Enchanter. He even tells Cullen to take a hike, after Cullen suggests killing all mages.

Greagoir also beats pregnant women. Doesn't seem that reasonable to me.

Modifié par Plaintiff, 12 avril 2013 - 12:04 .

[Sutamina]

Plaintiff wrote...

Allowing a "neutral" is a total cop-out and would totally defeat the purpose of giving the player difficult questions to answer.

Depends on how you define neutral; as in what actions you are required to take as a result of  picking neutral option.

[New Display Name]

I was guessing the faction choices would be: Mages, Chantry, or Templars.

[Sutamina]

Plaintiff wrote...
Greagoir also beats pregnant women. Doesn't seem that reasonable to me.

Proof ?

[The Elder King]

Plaintiff wrote...

Allowing a "neutral" path is a total cop-out and would totally defeat the purpose of giving the player difficult questions to answer.

I'd agree that a difficult choice is better than having a way out (which is not a third path necessarily means), but if the sides rapresented are as bad as they were rapresented in DA2, than the choice is between two almost equally moronic groups. The same goes if the goals of those groups could be too extremist (which is possible in the case of this war), which would force me to play an extremist pro-mage or an extremist pro-templar.
If a third choice wouldn't be present, than I want the option to have the choice of supporting two different leaders for each groups, one more moderate, and the one more extremist. 

Modifié par hhh89, 12 avril 2013 - 12:16 .

[-TC1989-]

Plaintiff wrote...

Allowing a "neutral" path is a total cop-out and would totally defeat the purpose of giving the player difficult questions to answer.

Well that is your opinion. A lot of people couldn't care less about the civil war. It's their choice if they want to take a front seat in the war or just simply try to avoid it. I'm not saying avoid the war as a whole, just have options to not be so heavily involved in it. Forcing people to take sides, is not really answering difficult questions if people don't want any part of it to begin with. Some people just don't care one way or the other, and should be able to have some kind of say so in the game.

[Asch Lavigne]

I would really like a choice to keep the Circles but improve them. Not really sure how, mages (like Anders) never really went in depth about what was wrong beyond being scrutinized for being a mage and bullied by Templars.

Modifié par Asch Lavigne, 12 avril 2013 - 12:17 .

[Plaintiff]

-TC1989- wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

Allowing a "neutral" path is a total cop-out and would totally defeat the purpose of giving the player difficult questions to answer.

Well that is your opinion. A lot of people couldn't care less about the civil war. It's their choice if they want to take a front seat in the war or just simply try to avoid it. I'm not saying avoid the war as a whole, just have options to not be so heavily involved in it. Forcing people to take sides, is not really answering difficult questions if people don't want any part of it to begin with. Some people just don't care one way or the other, and should be able to have some kind of say so in the game.

Well since we have no idea whether the Civil War will even feature, complaining about it now is pretty pointless.

But personally, if I "couldn't care less" about the plot of a game, I would not buy that game. For instance, I don't want to play a car thief, so I avoid the GTA franchise. It's that simple.

[Plaintiff]

Sutamina wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...
Greagoir also beats pregnant women. Doesn't seem that reasonable to me.

Proof ?

The Dragon Age comics published by IDW, written by Orson Scott Card, and confirmed as canon.

[Enigmatick]

^Wow I didn't know Orson Scott Card wrote DA stuff I gotta read those, his Superman stuff looks promising.

[Plaintiff]

Enigmatick wrote...

^Wow I didn't know Orson Scott Card wrote DA stuff I gotta read those, his Superman stuff looks promising.

Frankly it disappoints me that Bioware gave work to an outspoken homophobic bigot.

[Sutamina]

Plaintiff wrote...

Sutamina wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...
Greagoir also beats pregnant women. Doesn't seem that reasonable to me.

Proof ?

The Dragon Age comics published by IDW, written by Orson Scott Card, and confirmed as canon.

well since i cannot see that i can not tell if your perception is correct or an exaggeration.

[Plaintiff]

Sutamina wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

Sutamina wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...
Greagoir also beats pregnant women. Doesn't seem that reasonable to me.

Proof ?

The Dragon Age comics published by IDW, written by Orson Scott Card, and confirmed as canon.

well since i cannot see that i can not tell if your perception is correct or an exaggeration.

He is explicitly shown striking a pregnant mage. If I could find the image I'd show you, there's no room for alternate interpretation. 

[XX-Pyro]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

There could be a choice to pursue compromise. Would that count as a neutral option?

Non-existant, Anders' took that away remember? 

EDIT: To Plaintiff, there's a DA comic written by ORSON SCOTT CARD? WHERE DO I PURCHASE THIS?

Modifié par XX-Pyro, 12 avril 2013 - 12:53 .

[-TC1989-]

Plaintiff wrote...

-TC1989- wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

Allowing a "neutral" path is a total cop-out and would totally defeat the purpose of giving the player difficult questions to answer.

Well that is your opinion. A lot of people couldn't care less about the civil war. It's their choice if they want to take a front seat in the war or just simply try to avoid it. I'm not saying avoid the war as a whole, just have options to not be so heavily involved in it. Forcing people to take sides, is not really answering difficult questions if people don't want any part of it to begin with. Some people just don't care one way or the other, and should be able to have some kind of say so in the game.

Well since we have no idea whether the Civil War will even feature, complaining about it now is pretty pointless.

But personally, if I "couldn't care less" about the plot of a game, I would not buy that game. For instance, I don't want to play a car thief, so I avoid the GTA franchise. It's that simple.

Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't that one of the first things mentioned about it? Saying how the civil war has erupted? For it not to be featured at all in the game, would be a little weird don't you think? And as far as the aspect of complaining is concerned, I'm guessing you don't know where you are right now. Complaining is like breathing here.

Again, It's all about choice. Someone saying they don't like the Templar/Mage conflict, and then you implying that they're not a fan of Dragon Age, is a little naïve. People can love lots of things in a series, but because their not amazed of one specific plot, doesn't mean their not a fan.