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[Original Twigman]

I don't know how people can rationalize that Gold can be more difficult than Platinum, or that Platinum is a "Boss Spam." Let's put it to rest, and lay out all the information right here.

Cerberus Platinum vs. Cerberus Gold

                            Platinum                                                 VS.                                                Gold
Wave 1: 2 Atlas, Phantoms, Troopers, Engineers,                            Wave 1: 4 Assault, 2 Centurian, 2 Nemesis
Wave 2: 3 Dragoons; 2 Atlas, Phantoms; 1 Engineer                         Wave 2: 2 Guardian, Assault, Nemesis, Cent.
Wave 3: 2 Atlas, Ravagers, Brutes, Phantoms                                     Wave 3: 4 Assualt, 3 Nemesis, 1 Atlas
Wave 4: 3 Engineers; 2 Ravagers, Nemesis, 1 Banshee                *Wave 4: 3 Nem 2 Dragoon, 2 Troop, 1 Phantom
Wave 5: 2 Ravagers, Phantoms, Banshees, Centurians                   Wave 5: 3 Nem, 2 Atlas, Troop, 1 Engi
Wave 6: 2 Atlas, Hunters, Bombers, Guardians                                  *Wave 6: 2 Engi, Phantom, Dragoon, Nem
Wave 7: 2 Phantoms, Dragoons, Pyros, Bombers                              *Wave 7: 3 Engi, 2 Drag, Phantom, 1 Atlas
Wave 8: 3 Pyros, Dragoons; 1 Atlas, Prime                                           Wave 8: 2 Phantom, Atlas, Cent, Nemesis 
Wave 9: 2 Rocket Geth, Atlas; 1 Banshee, Dragoon, Centurian        Wave 9: 2 Phantom, Atlas, Engineer, Guardian
Wave 10: 2 Atlas, Banshee, Phantom, Bomber                                    Wave 10: 4 Phantom, 2 Atlas Engineer

* Indicates that there is a wave cap (6) of how many dragoons spawn. Once 6 are killed, they stop spawning, even during objectives.

** note, Wave 7 doesn't even have a boss on Platinum
***note, It isn't until Wave 9/Platinum, that you actually get more than 2 bosses (the cap in gold), for a total of 3.
****note, aside from extraction, Waves 9 & 10 are the only waves that contain more than two bosses, surpassing the number on gold by 3, total.

Which is harder?

Wave 1: Platinum; no contest, lol. It is, in effect, wave 9 on gold.
Wave 2: Platinum; Any time you get 2+ dragoons without a limit, the wave becomes more difficult.
Wave 3: 3 Nemesis don't compare to 4 (phantoms + Ravagers) long distance enemies. The combination of Brutes Rushing you and Phantoms being able to hit you from afar and still rush you makes the combination pretty deadlty. The enemies don't attack very well mid-range, but still difficult.
Wave 4: I might give this to Gold, but the fact that there is a wave cap for Dragoons, and 3 engis can equal 3 Turrets, Platinum wins this round
Wave 5: This Wave is a joke on Gold. Platinum
Wave 6: Although the wave gets much easier once the Dragoons are knocked, i'll give this to Gold
Wave 7: This is probably the tightest wave, I'll leave it up to BSN
Wave 8: A Prime instantly makes this round much harder. Platinum
Wave 9: Eh, I could go 50/50, but I'd probably give it to Platinum
Wave 10: I'd give this to Gold due to the crazy amount of Phantoms.

Total?
Platinum: 7 Gold: 2, Tie: 1

Anyone want to compare Reapers, Geth, and Collectors???

Modifié par Original Stikman, 11 avril 2013 - 10:46 .

[phiorala]

you don't consider phantoms bosses?

[capn233]

phiorala wrote...

you don't consider phantoms bosses?

Yeah...

[Shadow of Terror]

So... you still haven't really explained why it's not a boss spam. Just that it's more difficult, which everybody knew.

[Original Twigman]

phiorala wrote...

you don't consider phantoms bosses?

no.... they aren't

otherwise Wave 10 Gold is the ultimate boss spam. 6 bosses....

I don't think so. Phantoms are not Bosses

[Slojack]

I like when title makes the thread sound like a college thesis paper.

[JewelsWinnfield]

I completely agree. I can understand if people say Gold is more fun (I kinda agree), but it is undeniably easier than Platinum. A lot easier.

Oh and btw: There are no Guardians in Wave 1 Cerberus Platinum. Trust me, I've attempted to solo this about 20 times...today. Wave 1 has Troopers.

[Amusingthree93]

Original Stikman wrote...

phiorala wrote...

you don't consider phantoms bosses?

no.... they aren't

otherwise Wave 10 Gold is the ultimate boss spam. 6 bosses....

I don't think so. Phantoms are not Bosses

Wave 10 gold IS the ultimate boss spam.
Phantoms are much harder to kill than atlii.

Other than that, platinum is certainly harder than gold. 

Modifié par Amusingthree93, 11 avril 2013 - 10:04 .

[Shadow of Terror]

Guardians, Engineers, Nemesis, Centurians, Rocket troopers, Hunters.

Those are the trooper level enemies, those are the ones that you can take out quickly and without much hassle. Gold has many more of them than Plat. Plat has many more of the bosses and high level infantry (if you're not going to consider them bosses), also much more things with armour that make a lot of abilities useless/flat out require AP of some kind.

Plat is harder, but it's still more boss spam (or boss and high level infantry if we're going to be picky).

[Tokenusername]

Gratz, you discovered that the highest difficulty is infact more difficult than the one below it.

And Phantoms are bosses.

[JewelsWinnfield]

Primes/Banshees/Atlases/Praetorians are the only true boss enemies for each faction. Phantoms are mid-bosses, like Scions and Brutes.

[AustereLemur799]

Why is this even a case? The real case in point is Collector plat vs Collector gold - in which case the gold is harder than plat.

With any other plat; all other factions are easier than the gold counterparts (and I'm talking mooks here); whereas Collectors are harder - for obvious reasons.

Abominations. Posessed abominations. Denial of power usage thanks to seeker swarms.

The Plat question - really? It is a boss spam - in no other place would you see noobs expend all their rockets within 30 seconds!

Bottom line: mooks are more challenging than bosses.

Think about it. If you're up against Reapers gold and you've been left to solo; it's smart to eliminate the smaller units before you take on the boss - as with Geth and Cerberus.

But Platinum is just full of bosses and hardly any mooks - hence why the hardcore Plat-goers complain about not being to rack-up challenge points because hardly any of it appears on Plat.

At the end of the day: gold actually teaches far better skills than any level (good balance between proactivity and survivability).

Modifié par AustereLemur799, 11 avril 2013 - 10:14 .

[Geek]

Cerberus platinum extraction is certainly easier than gold due to the lack of phantoms.

[HolyAvenger]

Phantoms aren't bosses. No one said the most deadly unit for a faction had to be a boss. The bullet sponge units are the bosses. They are the ones that extra headshot modifiers don't work against, for example..

[Tybo]

But let's be honest, pretty much any wave without an objective is a cakewalk. In that case:

Wave 3: plat
Wave 6: gold
Wave 10: gold

(by your own ratings)

I don't exactly think gold is harder than plat, but plat really isn't all that difficult compared to gold.  You just need more DPS, less control.

Modifié par tyhw, 11 avril 2013 - 10:18 .

[me0120]

Slojack wrote...

I like when title makes the thread sound like a college thesis paper.

I agree. This needs to be at least 300 more pages Stikman.

[oO Stryfe Oo]

Original Stikman wrote...

I don't know how people can rationalize that Gold can be more difficult than Platinum, or that Platinum is a "Boss Spam." Let's put it to rest, and lay out all the information right here.

Cerberus Platinum vs. Cerberus Gold

                            Platinum                                                 VS.                                                Gold
Wave 1: 2 Atlas, Phantoms                                                                Wave 1: lol
Wave 2: 2 Atlas, Phantoms                                                                Wave 2: lol
Wave 3: 2 Atlas, Phantoms                                                                Wave 3: 1 Atlas
Wave 4: 2 Ravagers, 1 Banshee                                                     *Wave 4: 1 Phantom
Wave 5: 2 Phantoms, Banshees                                                       Wave 5: 2 Atlas
Wave 6: 2 Atlas                                                                                    *Wave 6: Phantom, 
Wave 7: 2 Phantoms                                                                          *Wave 7: Phantom, 1 Atlas
Wave 8: 1 Atlas, Prime                                                                        Wave 8: 2 Phantom, Atlas,
Wave 9: 2 Atlas; 1 Banshee                                                               Wave 9: 2 Phantom, Atlas,
Wave 10: 2 Atlas, Banshee                                                              Wave 10: 4 Phantom, 2 Atlas
 

This is pretty much all I care about. Platinum isn't so much boss spam as it is "there is literally a bullet sponge to worry about in every round". Boss spam is just easier to say. But hey, what do I know; Platinum is super taxing on Ps3. One or two matches of that and I'm either frozen or lagging super bad.

[me0120]

Geek Fest wrote...

Cerberus platinum extraction is certainly easier than gold due to the lack of phantoms.

Based off of all the Plat solos I've lost from constant, inescapable Dragoon spam on Wave 11, I disagree.

[Amusingthree93]

tyhw wrote...

But let's be honest, pretty much any wave without an objective is a cakewalk.

This one line... it describes pretty much exactly why most matches fail.

[AustereLemur799]

HolyAvenger wrote...

Phantoms aren't bosses. No one said the most deadly unit for a faction had to be a boss. The bullet sponge units are the bosses. They are the ones that extra headshot modifiers don't work against, for example..

This is obviously open to debate. If I try a solo a match; to me the boss units are those that can remove you from the game permenantly - i.e: those that insta-kill.

Units such as Atlases are actually easier to deal with since you can keep them at a distance whereas Phantoms and Banshees all seek to get in-close.

There is defo room for lots of debate. I will just put it down to those that can insta-kill you (as annoying as I think those m-f-ing Marauders are). This, therefore, counts: Phantoms, Atlases, Banshees, Brutes, Praetorians (sorry if there's any I've missed).

I just noticed that, by my reckoning (and I admit that it may-well be clouded due to my inebriation): the geth have no insta-kill unit? Clearly they didn't have a Terminator on their side...

However; there are some units that I consider worse than the insta-kill units - namely being Scions, Geth Hunters, Geth Pyros, Collector Possessed units (including abominations, scions and praetorians).

And no post would be complete without mentioning the dreaded Geth bomber - the scourge of the universe!

I know that I've likely mixed things up with capital letters and whatnot - hopefully that doesn't detract from my meaning!

Thanks for reading.

[AustereLemur799]

me0120 wrote...

Geek Fest wrote...

Cerberus platinum extraction is certainly easier than gold due to the lack of phantoms.

Based off of all the Plat solos I've lost from constant, inescapable Dragoon spam on Wave 11, I disagree.

I do kind of agree with you, except for the fact that this comes down to medi-gel. Phantoms put you out of the count permanently; whereas Dragoons still give you hope.

Modifié par AustereLemur799, 11 avril 2013 - 10:26 .

[Ronnie Blastoff]

Perhaps the definition of bosses should be changed. HP also comes into play when your on platinum. My not be an actual boss spam, but having ~2K minimum HP enemies running around shooting you harder and surviving more shots makes to some, sure would feel like a boss spam.

The real question should be how effective are you on gold vs platinum if you used no rockets?

[Saints]

Of course platinum is a boss spam Not So Original Stikman. Gold is super duper hard. I mean.... remember when we were both Talon mercs on Jade?

[weaselshep]

It's still boss spam.

[Original Twigman]

AustereLemur799 wrote...

Why is this even a case? The real case in point is Collector plat vs Collector gold - in which case the gold is harder than plat.

With any other plat; all other factions are easier than the gold counterparts (and I'm talking mooks here); whereas Collectors are harder - for obvious reasons.

Abominations. Posessed abominations. Denial of power usage thanks to seeker swarms.

The Plat question - really? It is a boss spam - in no other place would you see noobs expend all their rockets within 30 seconds!

Bottom line: mooks are more challenging than bosses.

Think about it. If you're up against Reapers gold and you've been left to solo; it's smart to eliminate the smaller units before you take on the boss - as with Geth and Cerberus.

But Platinum is just full of bosses and hardly any mooks - hence why the hardcore Plat-goers complain about not being to rack-up challenge points because hardly any of it appears on Plat.

At the end of the day: gold actually teaches far better skills than any level (good balance between proactivity and survivability).

make a thread with the same format i did comparing the two. You are just giving a biased opinion without actually comparing the two with their enemy spawns. Collectros on platinum has primes on 3 of their waves, 2 on wave 8 (or 9???). The only time its easy is on wave 3, which is one of the easies platinum waves in the game.

Also

The only time there are more bosses than Gold is on wave 8 and 9 on Cerberus Platinum, and thats only by 3.