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[Original Twigman]

tyhw wrote...

Original Stikman wrote...

tyhw wrote...

But let's be honest, pretty much any wave without an objective is a cakewalk. In that case:

Wave 3: plat
Wave 6: gold
Wave 10: gold

(by your own ratings)

I don't exactly think gold is harder than plat, but plat really isn't all that difficult compared to gold.  You just need more DPS, less control.

i was being forgiving on wave 6 and gave gold a bone. I can take it back.

At the end of the day, if you are going to fail on wave 7-10 gold, you probably won't make it past wave 3, as waves 1 and 2 are pretty much gold 9-10 waves

I don't care about waves 7-9 Gold, or waves 1-2 Plat.  Like I said, I only care about the objective waves.  If there is no objective to do, it is very easy to complete, regardless of the enemy composition.  

Also, there is no way that wave 6 Platinum is more difficult to complete objectives on than Wave 6 Gold.  Other than the hunter, they are all fairly slow, low pressure units.

Now, Wave 3 Plat is a LOT harder than wave 3 Gold, which is a joke.  You could conceivably argue that this additional difficulty more than makes up for the smaller difficulty increases for Wave 6 and 10 Gold.  (See how nice I am?  I made a coherent argument for you).

But comparing all the waves is useless in determining which is harder.  You have to simply look at which waves are the most difficult, as these are the only ones which could cause you to fail.

Wave 10 Reapers Platinum vs. Gold
2 Primes enter. That is enough to make it more difficult than gold

Wave 10 Collectors Platinum vs. Gold
2 Primes Enter. That is enough to make it more difficult than gold

Wave 10 Geth vs. Gold
2 phantoms and 2 banshees, enough to make it harder than gold

Banshees + Primes are probably the worst combination when it comes to bosses.

Cerberus is the easiest out of the four factions during wave 10, the most difficult wave in the game excluding extraction.

I won't finish my argument with a condescending remark, but i will note that I am aware that you are making condescending tones which are wholly unnecessary

[Original Twigman]

Annomander wrote...

Original Stikman wrote...

Annomander wrote...

Gold > platinum... It's a matter of balance.

to you....

Gold isn't harder. There really isn't an argument going for it.

You could argue Gold is more fun... which judging by your post you just did, which is fine. Its your opinion

You have yet to comment on over inflated health pools and enemy damage which renders a lot of kits useless and sub-optimal...

The only comment necessary to address this is to state that anything that is sub-optimal on platinum will be sub optimal on gold when compared to the same thing.

Ex. Geth Infiltrator > Turian Soldier on platinum or gold
Ex. Krogan Solider > Volus Mercenary on platinum or gold

For fun, you could easily inverse this and say

Incisor Bronze > Incisor Silver > Incisor Gold > Incisor Platinum
Volus Mercenary Bronze > Silver>Gold> Platinum

[Saints]

Let's do it Original Twigman. Talon Mercs on Jade again.

[Original Twigman]

Saints944 wrote...

Let's do it Original Twigman. Talon Mercs on Jade again.

Twigman! Ha!

Love it.

Lets take it a step further

Platinum, Talon Mercs, Jade, Geth

[MasterPeras]

tyhw wrote...

But let's be honest, pretty much any wave without an objective is a cakewalk. In that case:

Wave 3: plat
Wave 6: gold
Wave 10: gold

(by your own ratings)

I don't exactly think gold is harder than plat, but plat really isn't all that difficult compared to gold.  You just need more DPS, less control.

He has a point there=]

[HoochieHamiltoe]

It really comes down to matter of opinion. Gold and Platinum are both trivialized with good players.

[Saints]

Original Stikman wrote...

Saints944 wrote...

Let's do it Original Twigman. Talon Mercs on Jade again.

Twigman! Ha!

Love it.

Lets take it a step further

Platinum, Talon Mercs, Jade, Geth

If we switch to Salarian engineers with Collectors we will be as 1337 as Disciple and Sam.

[Saints]

HoochieHamiltoe wrote...

It really comes down to matter of opinion. Gold and Platinum are both trivialized with good players.

This is the truthiest truth that could be the truth.

[UnknownMercenary]

Platinum is less fun for me due to the increased enemy health and damage basically aggravating the bullsh*t parts of the game.

Platinum is harder than Gold, but only by a huge margin with a bad team.

Modifié par UnknownMercenary, 11 avril 2013 - 11:42 .

[NYG1991]

The only part of platinum that is easier than gold iirc is collectors wave three.

It's like wave four of reapers gold

[cuzIMgood]

Plat is harder but it is also a boss spam.

[HawXV2]

Tokenusername wrote...

Gratz, you discovered that the highest difficulty is infact more difficult than the one below it.

And Phantoms are bosses.

He posted it because a lot of people seem to think it isn't.

Also, best "Deal With It' I've ever witnessed.

[lightswitch]

I never realized before this thread that there were people who actually think gold is harder.

That's weird.

[Disciple888]

well done professor stikman

[Disciple888]

Ur maths is irrefutable

[megabeast37215]

Good thread.

[Original Twigman]

Disciple888 wrote...

Ur maths is irrefutable

Thank you colleague Disciple

My Master's thesis was a stepping stone to this

[Original Twigman]

cuzIMgood wrote...

Plat is harder but it is also a boss spam.

From waves 7-10, the ratio of Bosses is 1:1

Cerb. Platinum exceeds Cerb. Gold bosses 1:3 from waves 1-6, yet do not exceed 2 until wave 8, on Cerb. Platinum.

Essentially, its just Wave 10 Gold, for most of waves 1-6.

[jcamdenlane]

Your comparison just says boss spam. The combinations look even dumber when it's all spelled out like that. What's a brute doing with an atlas? Makes no sense.

[Draining Dragon]

Original Stikman wrote...

phiorala wrote...

you don't consider phantoms bosses?

no.... they aren't

otherwise Wave 10 Gold is the ultimate boss spam. 6 bosses....

I don't think so. Phantoms are not Bosses

Boss does not necessarily mean bullet sponge.

[GoldZero1]

Are some people seriously claiming that Gold is harder than Platinum?
The following things alone make gold like a walk in the park compared to plat:

-Enemies on platinum have more health and do more damage
-Enemies come from different factions. A character that easily destroys reapers on gold, will now have to worry about primes, phantoms, hunters etc. The geth now have sync killing units. The same goes for everything else, and the players are pretty much forced to deal with all the units.
-Bosses start showing up from wave 1. Waves 1-3 on gold are like playing on bronze.

I used to be a gold regular before moving on to platinum. The reality is that gold feels like a walk in the park after playing platinum for months. Platinum rewards the player with a double prize, for a reason.

Modifié par GoldZero1, 12 avril 2013 - 12:27 .

[UnknownMercenary]

"Boss spam" is an exaggeration, but it's a shorthand that is not entirely useless for describing Platinum. The first 2 waves are essentially the last two of Gold, and then from that point on they throw in the bosses from other factions.

Combined with the larger wave budgets, it can feel that way.

The only Platinum wave that comes to mind as true boss spam is Collectors wave 10.

I'm hesitant to do a comparison using Cyonan's spreadsheet since it has errors, but I think for every faction that's not Collectors, the Platinum wave compositions are generally tougher than the Gold equivalents.

[Original Twigman]

UnknownMercenary wrote...

"Boss spam" is an exaggeration, but it's a shorthand that is not entirely useless for describing Platinum. The first 2 waves are essentially the last two of Gold, and then from that point on they throw in the bosses from other factions.

Combined with the larger wave budgets, it can feel that way.

The only Platinum wave that comes to mind as true boss spam is Collectors wave 10.

I'm hesitant to do a comparison using Cyonan's spreadsheet since it has errors, but I think for every faction that's not Collectors, the Platinum wave compositions are generally tougher than the Gold equivalents.

wave 3 collectors is pretty easy, but thats it.

Ballparking again, but waves 7-10, the number of bosses is nearly 1:1

Typically, waves 9 & 10 are the only waves that have more than 2 bosses.

[Chealec]

Wait... what ... there are people that think gold is harder than platinum?!

More fun, yes ... harder no. Not that platinum is especially hard if the team goes all out DPS, PPR/Destroyer for instance... but if you're gonna do that it takes away all the fun of things like melee specced Krentinels or Cabals; which are definitely less effective on platinum.

[NYG1991]

Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't platinum have double the boss budget as gold? Not at the same time but if you're not killing mooks and just rapid fire killing bosses it can feel like a boss spam fest. That combined with weaker teams lack of spawn control can make it seem crazy.

But, like the other guy said, a goo team will trivialize any difficulty. I've dropped into groups with three top tier players and the whole game felt like silver.