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Let's get this over with: Platinum > Gold and isn't a Boss Spam; A Case Study on Cerberus Platinum vs. Cerberus Gold


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#76
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Saints944 wrote...

HoochieHamiltoe wrote...

It really comes down to matter of opinion. Gold and Platinum are both trivialized with good players.

This is the truthiest truth that could be the truth.

QFTTTCBTT.

It astounds me when people say that Gold is harder than Platinum. There's no question that Platinum > Gold. I can understand if someone is arguing that Platinum with a good team is easier than Gold with some bad PUGs, but that's about it.

Also, it depends on how you define "bosses". I don't consider Phantoms and Scions to be bosses but, if someone does, then I can see why they consider it to be boss spam.

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Original Stikman wrote...

tyhw wrote...

Original Stikman wrote...

tyhw wrote...

But let's be honest, pretty much any wave without an objective is a cakewalk. In that case:

Wave 3: plat
Wave 6: gold
Wave 10: gold

(by your own ratings)

I don't exactly think gold is harder than plat, but plat really isn't all that difficult compared to gold.  You just need more DPS, less control.


i was being forgiving on wave 6 and gave gold a bone. I can take it back.

At the end of the day, if you are going to fail on wave 7-10 gold, you probably won't make it past wave 3, as waves 1 and 2 are pretty much gold 9-10 waves


I don't care about waves 7-9 Gold, or waves 1-2 Plat.  Like I said, I only care about the objective waves.  If there is no objective to do, it is very easy to complete, regardless of the enemy composition.  

Also, there is no way that wave 6 Platinum is more difficult to complete objectives on than Wave 6 Gold.  Other than the hunter, they are all fairly slow, low pressure units.

Now, Wave 3 Plat is a LOT harder than wave 3 Gold, which is a joke.  You could conceivably argue that this additional difficulty more than makes up for the smaller difficulty increases for Wave 6 and 10 Gold.  (See how nice I am?  I made a coherent argument for you).

But comparing all the waves is useless in determining which is harder.  You have to simply look at which waves are the most difficult, as these are the only ones which could cause you to fail.


Wave 10 Reapers Platinum vs. Gold
2 Primes enter. That is enough to make it more difficult than gold

Wave 10 Collectors Platinum vs. Gold
2 Primes Enter. That is enough to make it more difficult than gold

Wave 10 Geth vs. Gold
2 phantoms and 2 banshees, enough to make it harder than gold

Banshees + Primes are probably the worst combination when it comes to bosses.

Cerberus is the easiest out of the four factions during wave 10, the most difficult wave in the game excluding extraction.

I won't finish my argument with a condescending remark, but i will note that I am aware that you are making condescending tones which are wholly unnecessary


See, these are better arguments.  I will admit, I was a bit snippy, but the combination of:
a) a faux scientific title with
B) very elementary analysis (Comparing waves, then adding up the totals?  Come on, that's very simplistic and not very well thought out)

irritated me.  So did your second post, which 
a) ignored the crux of my argument, and
B) made a nonsensical comment about switching wave 6, just to prove yourself right, even though those are units which are relatively non-threatening for objectives.

This argument is much better evidence in favor of platinum being harder, and I can see your point here.

I'm still of the opinion that platinum isn't much harder, so long as you stick to a DPS class.  In fact, I've never failed a platinum game (though that is a clear case of selection bias, as I don't voluntarily play platinum).  

Modifié par tyhw, 12 avril 2013 - 01:20 .


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What makes gold somewhat more difficult is the packs of infantry that spawn. The tend to camp a lot more than they do on platinum and they can, if ambushed, kill you quicker than platinum bosses. There are more bosses on platinum and what makes it easier is that they are somewhat predictable. Atlases shoot 4-5 times, telegraph their missiles and are easy to avoid; banshees will either sync kill or warp. The other bosses are just as predictable, slow to attack and easy to avoid.

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Reaper Platinum wave 9 is really easy because of endless pumping of Husk waves.
Cerberus Platinum wave 11 is kinda easier because I believe there is no phantom (surprising, I know)

Geth Platinum wave 2 is the boss though. 3 primes. ZOMG.

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Also, I think which one is harder relies more on wave 10/11 rather than earlier waves...

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tyhw wrote...

I'm still of the opinion that platinum isn't much harder, so long as you stick to a DPS class.


And that's why I don't regularly play it. It feels too restrictive. Granted, I'm sure every class is playable on Platinum, but the margin of error (and ability to f*ck around with gimmick classes) is much smaller.

Modifié par UnknownMercenary, 12 avril 2013 - 01:23 .


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tyhw wrote...

Original Stikman wrote...

tyhw wrote...

Original Stikman wrote...

tyhw wrote...

But let's be honest, pretty much any wave without an objective is a cakewalk. In that case:

Wave 3: plat
Wave 6: gold
Wave 10: gold

(by your own ratings)

I don't exactly think gold is harder than plat, but plat really isn't all that difficult compared to gold.  You just need more DPS, less control.


i was being forgiving on wave 6 and gave gold a bone. I can take it back.

At the end of the day, if you are going to fail on wave 7-10 gold, you probably won't make it past wave 3, as waves 1 and 2 are pretty much gold 9-10 waves


I don't care about waves 7-9 Gold, or waves 1-2 Plat.  Like I said, I only care about the objective waves.  If there is no objective to do, it is very easy to complete, regardless of the enemy composition.  

Also, there is no way that wave 6 Platinum is more difficult to complete objectives on than Wave 6 Gold.  Other than the hunter, they are all fairly slow, low pressure units.

Now, Wave 3 Plat is a LOT harder than wave 3 Gold, which is a joke.  You could conceivably argue that this additional difficulty more than makes up for the smaller difficulty increases for Wave 6 and 10 Gold.  (See how nice I am?  I made a coherent argument for you).

But comparing all the waves is useless in determining which is harder.  You have to simply look at which waves are the most difficult, as these are the only ones which could cause you to fail.


Wave 10 Reapers Platinum vs. Gold
2 Primes enter. That is enough to make it more difficult than gold

Wave 10 Collectors Platinum vs. Gold
2 Primes Enter. That is enough to make it more difficult than gold

Wave 10 Geth vs. Gold
2 phantoms and 2 banshees, enough to make it harder than gold

Banshees + Primes are probably the worst combination when it comes to bosses.

Cerberus is the easiest out of the four factions during wave 10, the most difficult wave in the game excluding extraction.

I won't finish my argument with a condescending remark, but i will note that I am aware that you are making condescending tones which are wholly unnecessary


See, these are better arguments.  I will admit, I was a bit snippy, but the combination of:
a) a faux scientific title with
B) very elementary analysis (Comparing waves, then adding up the totals?  Come on, that's very simplistic and not very well thought out)

irritated me.  So did your second post, which 
a) ignored the crux of my argument, and
B) made a nonsensical comment about switching wave 6, just to prove yourself right, even though those are units which are relatively non-threatening for objectives.


There is no legitimate reason to have a well-thought out argument as to why platinum is harder than gold.

This topic doesn't really deserve strong arguments as there isn't
much to prove other than dismissing the simplistic ideas people tend to
have of Platinum that, for whatever reason, strongly permeates this
community.

The argument works, that is all that matters. If the title upset you thats on you. I like making ludicrous titles, which i have been doing for some time now.

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viper_veteran wrote...

What makes gold somewhat more difficult is the packs of infantry that spawn.


no

#84
UnknownMercenary

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lol, the most dangerous non-bosses still spawn regularly on Platinum (Marauders, Captains, Hunters, etc)

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all the bsn silver players became gold players thru power creep and now hate on plat cuz

scrubs gonna scrub

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EL o EL cain mines

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Disciple888 wrote...

all the bsn silver players became gold players thru power creep and now hate on plat cuz

scrubs gonna scrub


You noobson. Keep practicing!!:devil:

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caineghis2500 wrote...

Disciple888 wrote...

all the bsn silver players became gold players thru power creep and now hate on plat cuz

scrubs gonna scrub


You noobson. Keep practicing!!:devil:


pugged a bit today and was reminded of u bleeder B)

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Disciple888 wrote...

caineghis2500 wrote...

Disciple888 wrote...

all the bsn silver players became gold players thru power creep and now hate on plat cuz

scrubs gonna scrub


You noobson. Keep practicing!!:devil:


pugged a bit today and was reminded of u bleeder B)


yer getting off? Im about to get on now

#90
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Twigman?  I would've gone with Branchman, but whatev.

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IamZAE wrote...

EL o EL cain mines


POW!!

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Phantoms are bosses. I'd rather fight 10 Atlas than 10 phantoms. Next.

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I don't think anyone ever said that Gold is more difficult than Platinum, merely that Platinum is a lot more boring because of the boss spam (YES, PHANTOMS ARE BOSSES, DEAL WITH IT).

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I find Cerberus Platinum to be > than Cerberus Gold.  Honestly I don't see how this can even be debatable, but too each their own I guess.

Well except the extraction wave.  2 Atlases, 2 Hunters, and 4 Dragoons?  Pfft....okay, thanks for the free pass.

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I regret posting anything in this thread.

It is a giant trollbait and shall soon disintegrate.

I should go.

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Heldarion wrote...

I don't think anyone ever said that Gold is more difficult than Platinum, merely that Platinum is a lot more boring because of the boss spam (YES, PHANTOMS ARE BOSSES, DEAL WITH IT).


no boss in the game is trivialed by the scorpion or acolyte

deal with it

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There are 2 bosses + phantoms on every wave except 7 in platinum
so how is not boss spam?
In gold 4 waves, 1,2,4 and 6, have no bosses at all
I think you are assuming that if someone says "platinum is boss spam" that means they think it is easy
boss spam does not equal easy
it equals boring

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Original Stikman wrote...

Heldarion wrote...

I don't think anyone ever said that Gold is more difficult than Platinum, merely that Platinum is a lot more boring because of the boss spam (YES, PHANTOMS ARE BOSSES, DEAL WITH IT).


no boss in the game is trivialed by the scorpion or acolyte

deal with it


No
they are just trivialized by the reegar or the PPR
or the harrier
or the claymore
or AP ammo
or incendiary ammo

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modok8 wrote...

Original Stikman wrote...

Heldarion wrote...

I don't think anyone ever said that Gold is more difficult than Platinum, merely that Platinum is a lot more boring because of the boss spam (YES, PHANTOMS ARE BOSSES, DEAL WITH IT).


no boss in the game is trivialed by the scorpion or acolyte

deal with it


No
they are just trivialized by the reegar or the PPR
or the harrier
or the claymore
or AP ammo
or incendiary ammo


those are hard hitting guns

The scorpion/acolyte killing a "boss" is a joke

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Original Stikman wrote...

no boss in the game is trivialed by the scorpion or acolyte

deal with it


No boss should be trivialed by shooting an Ultra Batclaw up his butt and pulling him down for a beat down either. 

But the Joker didn't fail to dissapoint ...:whistle: