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[Daxamite]

 Juggernauts are SLOW, so i am assuming that's why PUG juggernauts always walk straight to LZ and stay there in gold matches, so that the LZ is now full of a lot of mess. What do you tend to do in that situation? Stay well away, or help the juggernaut defend the LZ?

I just had a match with PUGs on Gold/cerberus/Jade (where i had a rahter embarrassing performance as EDIbot, first time i used her since her nerf, i died about 5 times   ). Juggernaut went straight to LZ, so a lot of stuf got there v quickly. I stayed a little away for most of wave 11, the others went into LZ and died a lot. Before trying to revive, I used two missiles to clear the LZ but even more stuff swarmed in so i just spammed magic grenades and cloaked a lot and then ran in at last sec. Jugg and I were only extractors. 

[Thrasher91604]

Good question. I am always torn. Usually Juggs doesn't survive if he's there alone. The best Jugg players wait a little before going to the LZ to give enough time to get there and handle a little battle along the way. So you can help defend them when they move.

[DragoGoldenwing]

Camping the LZ is usually suicide even for Juggs (Especially against Collectors.) But Juggs move so slowly that most people don't give them time, either. Everyone either piles into the LZ at the start of the wave, and the Jugg joins them and is usually Sole Survivor, or they all take positions well away from the LZ, and stay there until the last 10 seconds, then sprint for the LZ, leaving the Juggernaut conflicted. Chances are good that somebody's gonna die if the Jugg moves to the LZ early, but if they wait to run with everyone else, they don't make it.
It's a hard call to make because either way it seems like the Jugg's fault.

[AnAverageGamer]

I intentionally wait on the opposite corner of the map until the timer reaches around 35 seconds (giver or take 10 seconds depending on map size) before I approach the LZ as a Juggernaut. They're slow, but movement isn't impossible with them. You just need to start toward the LZ about 10 seconds before everybody else.

To answer your question, OP, I'd stay far away from the extraction and just let everybody else die, then scramble to the LZ at the last second for the credits. They make their bed, let them sleep in it.

[Daxamite]

Thrasher91604 wrote...

The best Jugg players wait a little before going to the LZ t.

NEVER seen anyone do this so i obviously havent met the best players 

DragoGoldenwing wrote...


It's a hard call to make because either way it seems like the Jugg's fault.

yeah this is why i find it kinda confusing, I already find wave 11 hard enough as it is!

AnAverageGamer wrote...


To answer your question, OP, I'd stay far away from the extraction and just let everybody else die, then scramble to the LZ at the last second for the credits. They make their bed, let them sleep in it.

I tried this on a Rio match a few weeks ago, LZ was FULL of everythng and i died under two brutes. I guess i should get my cobra armed, THEN run towards LZ during last few secs and nuke whatever is there THEN run into the LZ. 

Modifié par PhoenixUK, 12 avril 2013 - 01:10 .

[SilentStep79]

extraction.
won't camp it, even for Juggernauts.

they should leave with about 35-40 seconds on the clock nuking anything in their way. everyone will understand, and it's a free pass on extraction nuke spree.

[Tokenusername]

It's not hard to give yourself more time than usual to trek to the EZ. Do your cool guy stroll all the way there and just throw down a turret for quick heal when necessary.

EZ camping PUGs will still be EZ camping PUGs regardless of what character they play.

Modifié par Tokenusername, 12 avril 2013 - 01:30 .

[mybudgee]

Adrenaline mod III
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[ryoldschool]

If I am playing the jug I will wait until 45 sec and then head for extraction. If I am not the jug, then I'll go wherever the jug goes if he was decent. We have actually held the LZ ok at times. But if the jug was good I kind of feel i owe it to him to help

[Dragonhalls]

u have jugg in a team why need to run away,just stay at lz together
stay behind him and support

[Daxamite]

ryoldschool wrote...
But if the jug was good I kind of feel i owe it to him to help

well he was a good Jug, didnt die, did decent damage,  he held stuff off during wave 10 hack, dalmost nothing really threatened us (in fact i got my missile out to take out an approaching atlas and then realised how pointless that was with Jug to block it) so I did want to help him during extraction but yeah like i said, everyone was just being slaughtered in the LZ, including Jug. 

I think I will just be selfish in wave 11 and look out for myself. Sorry Jug!

[GallowsPole]

Oh goody! Another Jug thread.

If they are at the LZ with a Jug, you can bet your sweet ass that they woulda been there with their AIU or Krolord.

As ryoldschool stated, all you have to do is wait. See, add SECONDS, not HOURS to get to the LZ, and even 45 seconds is a lot.

People need to wake up about the Jug. Seriously. Bad players make the kit bad, not the other way around. The Jug has to pretty much soak up every thing tossed at it cause it cant hide. So to think it is a walking box of shame is just moronic. Played badly. the Jug will go down just as fast as anything else. Its proportionate, I bet, with the damage it takes as opposed to a Krogan.

Would I take a Jug on a speed run? Hell no. Its a valuable asset, when played properly, in any match though. Yeah, I get tired when ass holes kick my Jug out. Probably cause they read the BS on this forum about it.

/endrantagainstthejugracists

Modifié par GallowsPole, 12 avril 2013 - 11:22 .

[Euric]

Games with other characters I always head for the LZ about 20 to 25 seconds before extraction. But with the Juggernaut I tend to take double.....about 40 to 45 seconds before extraction. I may need more if I am walking to the LZ in FB Rio. A juggernaut alone in gold or platinum matches can be easily taken down even though melee/shield regen is being done.

Disadvantage is that all aggro may accumulate at LZ. But a couple of missiles could cure that.
Advantage is when team mates can pick of aggro from a safe distance till the time to extract.

[hyperthreadz]

Last night I played a Platinum game on Rio with Cerberus with Juggy and three other Juggs. I was impressed. The last time I played Rio (Platinum), I started for the LZ from the other side of the map and didn't make it in 2 minutes... I made it to the ammo box right before the turn to the LZ before timer ran out. So, now I know if I play Rio again (need only 1-2 more for Platinum map challenge), I start mid-ways or closer at the end of Wave 10, especially since the spawns camp out near the LZ anyways. That always bothered me.

[SimulatedSnowman]

Juggernauts have to accept that they will be swarmed, and that their teammates won't always be there to bail them out. I don't take it personally when I play as a jugg and I have to leave earlier than everyone else to get to the landing zone if nobody follows me.

[codsquallic]

it depends on what my kit is, how much stuff I have left, and if the Jugg was helpful or not. Generally I run around till 40s are left.

[sabreracer]

Normally I wait until 20 seconds before setting off for the LZ (map dependant) I would double that for a Jugg, but wouldn't aim to be at the far end of the map with one.

[tetsutsuru]

When with a team that's holding an area not at Extraction, I get on the mic, "40 seconds. Juggernaut, go ahead and start walking to Extract."

And to everyone else 20 seconds later, "20 seconds, guys, let's roll."

[Lathlaer]

There is no reason to wait in LZ as a Juggernaut. If you happen to start the extracion wave in LZ, you can walk slowly from there and circle the map.

[Deerber]

Stay the hell away from the LZ, come in cobras blazing at 5 secs from extraction. What I always do when I pug, anyway...

[january42]

sabreracer wrote...

Normally I wait until 20 seconds before setting off for the LZ (map dependant) I would double that for a Jugg, but wouldn't aim to be at the far end of the map with one.

Yeah, that's what I do. Depends on the map.  (Rio is probably the worst). Often I find myself walking to one of the map and then just immedialy turning around and heading back.

The thing about a jugg is....it's not really all that bad if you get to the LZ a bit early. even with my hybrid less tanky build it's not a problem to hold out 5-10 seconds usually.

[Daxamite]

tetsutsuru wrote...

When with a team that's holding an area not at Extraction, I get on the mic, "40 seconds. Juggernaut, go ahead and start walking to Extract."

And to everyone else 20 seconds later, "20 seconds, guys, let's roll."

and when with a random pug Jugg who was already at LZ when wave 11 started?

[FlowCytometry]

rather *not* try to hold the LZ just cause we got a Juggy. Just give the Jugs about 10-15 extra sec to get to the LZ when kiting. ya can still reach LZ even on the other side of Rio w/ 30 or so sec left.

If they start out the wave camping the LZ.. well just like w/ any other kit, that's that player's loss..

Modifié par FlowCytometry, 12 avril 2013 - 04:45 .

[tetsutsuru]

PhoenixUK wrote...

tetsutsuru wrote...

When with a team that's holding an area not at Extraction, I get on the mic, "40 seconds. Juggernaut, go ahead and start walking to Extract."

And to everyone else 20 seconds later, "20 seconds, guys, let's roll."

and when with a random pug Jugg who was already at LZ when wave 11 started?

I actually... didn't want to mention that.

At the end of wave 10, I do call out, "let's hold building/farcorner/whateverawayfromExtractionZone."  If FB:Rio, "Wave 11.  Ah, time to check myself into the box of shame."

Anyway, what ends up happening is this.  When that stray Juggernaut goes down, I will run to, and revive, and then run back to the area (away from Extraction) I'm trying to hold.

Rinse and repeat, as applicable.

My team.  My responsibility.

Modifié par tetsutsuru, 12 avril 2013 - 04:54 .