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Gorath Alpha

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                      "No words, no text.  Empty Menu in game."

Just to have it available for reference, since, very surprisingly to me, the question (had been) coming up often, I am posting a description and a pair of the primary explanations.

Under only two circumstances that I am familiar with, the game will try to start, but none of the optional choices will show up in menus.  There was one, original, primary reason that it happened.  There is a secondary, very infrequent situation, and a third showed up later, as well.

Primarily, it was caused by trying to run the game with extremely obsolete hardware.  Six years ago, nVIDIA and Microsoft were in litigation over the status of the original Xbox's video component's pricing, and Microsoft had placed the Xbox360 contract for video with ATI.  The Geforce GF4 cards had been a sort of place-holder generation that essentially was merely an extension to the GF3, Direct3D / Dx8 generation.  But they were very fast at running Dx8 code.  Halfway through the GF4 cards' production run, ATI already had Dx9 cards for sale, in their Radeon 9n00 family. 

Instead of including the Microsoft Dx8 and Dx9 shaders in the Geforce FXes, nVIDIA had tried to break away from Microsoft with an independent shader engine, that understood Dx8 and Dx9, but had as its own native shader "languge" something else entirely.  The FXes were terrible at running Dx8.  Much worse than the GF3s and GF4s had been.  They were still worse with Dx9.  Before the FX generation was replaced by the Geforce 6n00 generation, three almost totally reengineered FXes were rushed to market that literally had one and a half cores in them.

The Dx8 shader capabiliy from the GF4 Ti-4n00 cards was grafted onto an improved FX core to create the FX 5700, FX 5900, and eventually the FX 5950.  The size of the FX chip practically doubled and the heat output rose by 50%.  Only the very last one, the 5950, could match and outrun the slowest of ATI's own first Dx9 video cards, the Radeon 9600 series (although by that point, ATI was selling the newer Xn00 generation cards). 

Dragon Age: Origins is apparently using some SM2 or SM3 shader code for menus that Geforce FXes cannot display at all.  Incidentally, the game's configuration utility does recognize the Radeon 9n00 cards, and rejects them.  Why it doesn't do the same with the Geforce FXes is a mystery to me.

Reason number two, seen only rarely, is a corruption of some game files, or of video driver files, which in the fiormer case, sometimes seems linked  to using / misusing  the game's Toolset. 

Even less frequently, this condition is created through the corruption or total absence of required software (video drivers, Direct3D APIs, and part of the game's own functions).

Relatively recently compared to the causes for the symptom before, some people have been trying to force the game to accept screen settings that "belong" to the wrong type of displays.  You cannot tell the game to use the older 4:3 display ratio settings with a newer wide screen 16:9 or 16:10 display.  It cannot play correctly that way, and the menus won't show up.  The other way around is also going to do the same thing. 

P. S. While it might seem pretty much of a no-brainer to go from thie situation of being stuck with such an elderly video card (Geforce FX) straight on to "let's get another, better video card",  the true facts are often contradictory.  Far too often, the FX cards are part of a system that is equally old, and is simply a very poor basis to rebuild from.  The CPU most likely is equally underpowered, the RAM is most likely too small, the available Hdd storage space may be cramped, and the power supply is almost totally worn out by now. 

Not saying that other updates along the way haven't taken care of a few of these liabilities, just that the system has most likely already reached and gone beyond, the practical point of no return.  The video bus is still AGP, and the range of options there are rather few.  The RAM is only the original DDR, while the industry moved to DDR2 long ago and is already moving to DDR3, so the old stuff costs a lot more now in comparison.  The CPU socket is still 778, or 939, and we've gone on past that awhile back.  The list goes on from there.



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Modifié par Gorath Alpha, 01 novembre 2011 - 03:46 .


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StrikeSaber47

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GeForce FX Series can't even play Battlefield 2 and back then in 2004, that was a pretty graphic-intensive game. Nowadays, BF 2 doesn't need that much to run it with current generation hardware.

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When Half Life was being demonstrated by Valve's people in the run-up to the release, their people got a great charge out of comparing the current nVIDIA ads for the FXes with the actual results in their game.

Never having liked either shooter or strategy type games, I don't know which the BF games fit into.  But the 6n00s were availble through most of 2004, other than the first three months: 

www.gpureview.com/show_cards.php

What's so surprising to me is that there have been two new threads (well, one was in the catchall sticky up at the top) just yesterday and a day or two before that. from FX owners, who just seem somehow to be less able to read System Requirements labels than most folks are.

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Modifié par Gorath Alpha, 15 janvier 2010 - 10:07 .


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I am merely stating that the GeForce FX Series was crap even back in the day when it was released. It went NOWHERE (I had one and returned it 2 days later in disgust).

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I seem to be having the same problem when trying to install DAO on my desktop pc.  If the graphics card is the problem, does anyone know a way to fix the issue?  If the fix requires upgrading the video card, to which one should I upgrade?  I am currently running XP SP3 with a Intel Pentium 4, 300GHz, 744MB RAM, with a NVIDIA GeForce Fx 5200 video card.  Will simply installing an upgraded video card resolve the issue?

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Well getting a new graphics can solve the issue, however you are using a very, very, very dated chipset in general. You got a AGP slotted Motherboard and I presume you are using either DDR SDRAM or RDRAM. You will need at least a 1 GB of RAM to run DA: O somewhat alright and upgrading DDR SDRAM or RDRAM now a days is super-expensive as the "Dual-Core Bloom" heavily favored DDR2 SDRAM and now DDR3 SDRAM. You can get DDR SDRAM (2 GB if possible) on Newegg.com, but expect them to be cheap. RDRAM on the other hand well, I don't even know where to get them now. Just upgrading your RAM on your chipset will be tough. If you are willing to grab DDR SDRAM and keep the ancient motherboard, try to find yourself a ATI Radeon 4670 AGP card as that is what I heard to be the best AGP card out on the market. You will find yourself with 2 GB of DDR SDRAM or if you use RDRAM (2 GB) and with that AGP Radeon, you can run DA at least pure medium.



However, if you got $400-$600 lying around, I suggest getting a new desktop computer instead.

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So, if I have a FX 5700 card, I should just return the game unless I want to change cards?

I should hve bought a dvd rack with the gift card...

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swalt wrote...

So, if I have a FX 5700 card, I should just return the game unless I want to change cards?
I should hve bought a dvd rack with the gift card...

Please see the P. S. in the opening message.  I'm sorry to have to say this, you'll be missing a great game.  My advice is to try taking the game back; the entire PC you have is probably unworthy of further expenditure at this point in its elderly life. 

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swalt wrote...

So, if I have a FX 5700 card, I should just return the game unless I want to change cards?
...

Time to bring this forward again, but the fact of the matter is that any video card as old as an FX would be is incredibly outdated in terms of game playing on PCs.  Three years of use is a long time, and seven is just plain ridiculous. 

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Interesting about the technology problems......



I had this issue twice, and according to the post above, it must have been due to corruption. Which is odd, as I did not change drivers and did not update hardware. I just had to re-install the game (digital download copy) from my backup drive......twice.....(did not re-download)

But I have read about a lot of install problems with bad files, failed CRC checks, etc....maybe their compression algorithm is a bit dodgy too ??? :)

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Any Windows user whose settings allow automatic updates from Microsoft can be afflicted by faults in the download system (well anyone accepting updates, period), but if you turm the automatic off and make it a habit to visit the Updates site on the first Tuesday every month (and be sure to set a "Restore" before the visit), you will be better able to link a newly lost or damaged file to such an update session.

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Gorath Alpha wrote...

swalt wrote...

So, if I have a FX 5700 card, I should just return the game unless I want to change cards?
...

Time to bring this forward again, but the fact of the matter is that any video card as old as an FX would be is incredibly outdated in terms of game playing on PCs.  Three years of use is a long time, and seven is just plain ridiculous. 

This particular error is why the label on the box has the name "System Requirements". 

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So what graph card du you suggest?

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Fenix8 wrote...

So what graph card du you suggest?

If you have an FX 5700, I really believe, as already writen above, that the rest of most any PC so old that it has such a card in it, is unlikely to be good enough to justify an upgrade: 

Basic Hardware Specification Chart (Empty so far)

Processor Manufacturer: AMD / Intel
Processor Name / Type: Athlon 64 / Pentium / C2D / dual core / quad, etc.
Processor Speed:  ?.? Ghz (or AMD Performance Number)
Operating System / Service Pack: WindowsXP with SP #?, Win7, Vista ? (Oh, no!)
System RAM: ? ? GBs (MBs, if less than 1024)
Video (GPU) Manufacturer: ATI / Nvidia (only those two are supported, PERIOD), so answer which of them you have
Video Card Model: (examples) Radeon HD 3650 / Geforce 8600 GT
Video Card Driver Version: Catalyst ?.? / Nforce ??.??
 . . (use the numbers, not the word "latest")
Video Card onboard RAM: ? ? ? MBs
Sound Card Manufacturer:
Sound Card Model:

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Processor Manufacturer Intel® Pentium® 4 CPU 2.53GHz

Microsoft Windows XP Professional Service Pack 3 (5.1.2600)

RAM:1GB

NVIDIA GeForce FX 5500

Driver nforce 093.71

VRAM:256 MB

SCard:Creative

Model:ctaud2k.sys [5.12.1.252]

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Fenix8 wrote...

Processor Manufacturer Intel® Pentium® 4 CPU 2.53GHz
Microsoft Windows XP Professional Service Pack 3 (5.1.2600)
RAM:1GB
NVIDIA GeForce FX 5500
Driver nforce 093.71
VRAM:256 MB
SCard:Creative
Model:ctaud2k.sys [5.12.1.252]


The only hardware part that wasn't literally "miles" below and behind the game's requirements was that the RAM did meet the minimum amount.  I'm not sure why I never told Fenix that ten days ago.  Maybe i tried being more politically correct than just pragmatic, and PM'd him / her about it? 

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First of all thank you Gorath Alpha if not for you i would not have solve my problem. Now you said that the problem is about some shaders in the graphics card that had not been included in the geforce fx series right? ifound a program that provides DirectX 9 features including both Pixel and Vertex Shaders and can be more than 50 times faster than Microsoft's reference rasterizer. This program (well im not sure if this is a program for it only have 3 files and you omly copy and paste this files in the game folder) is called Swift shader. You can download this file at http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/5029864/SwiftShader_2.01 Just copy the files named d3d8.dll, d3d9.dll and SwiftShader to your dragon age folder at program files. This worked for me and my graphics card is only geforce fx 5200. Thanks again Gorath Alpha for posting thread. Thank you!!!!!!!!

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Actually, I'm not at all certain you will be so happy, in a just very short while.  Depending on the origin that you choose, the graphical demands escalate relatively soon, and the card you have was literally worse when it was new than what preceded it from nVIDIA, the Geforce4 Titanium video cards.  The very slowest of those was about as fast as the middle (5700) card from the FXes, and the still older Geforce3 Ti-500 was still superior to the FX 5200. 

In other words, it runs more slowly than a card a full two years older than it is.  That particular GF3 card and the FX 5200 share four performance criteria, on which the FX 5200 can match the older card on two of them, but is only able to get 52% and 80% of the performance level of the Ti-500 on the other two measurements. 

Just don't let your hopes rise particularly high at all. 

But Good Luck with the trials. 

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Through the years, quite a few common hardware misunderstandings seem to run in cycles.  Having just seen that Intel's bad excuse for video is the current mistake that is popular (at least among ME-2 buyers), I am taking a guess about what comes next.  The Intel chips are still worse, on average, than the FXes were, on average, IMO.  But I'll take a WAG that the cycle will soon bring up the empty menu (in DA) again

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Having the same problem listed above. Here are my specs my motherboard fried and my computer guy put in what he says is a new video card. Dragon age used to run like a champ but now can't see the menu when i start it up.

Operating System: Windows XP Professional x64 Edition (5.2, Build 3790) Service Pack 2 (3790.srv03_sp2_gdr.100216-1301)

Language: English (Regional Setting: English)

System Manufacturer: Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd.

System Model: GA-MA770-UD3

BIOS: Default System BIOS

Processor: AMD Phenom™ II X4 920 Processor (4 CPUs), ~2.8GHz

Memory: 6142MB RAM

Page File: 578MB used, 7222MB available

Windows Dir: C:\\windows

DirectX Version: DirectX 9.0c (4.09.0000.0904)

DX Setup Parameters: Not found

DxDiag Version: 5.03.3790.3959 32bit Unicode

Card name: NVIDIA Quadro FX 1300

Manufacturer: NVIDIA

Chip type: Quadro FX 1300

DAC type: Integrated RAMDAC

Device Key: Enum\\PCI\\VEN_10DE&DEV_00FE&SUBSYS_023810DE&REV_A2

Display Memory: 128.0 MB

Current Mode: 1024 x 768 (32 bit) (75Hz)

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A Quadro is for graphics work station PRODUCTION, not for viewing animated 3D games, and although it's using the same core silicon as some Geforce card or another, it has an entirely different BIOS aboard, and uses entirely different drivers.  There's no way of knowing for sure what it might be able to do if the BIOS were to be capable of accepting a reflash. 

You need to visit nZone, the nVIDIA forums, to find out what to do to run games on such a card. 

Modifié par Gorath Alpha, 17 avril 2010 - 05:57 .


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ok thanks

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I have the no text menu isse. PC is relatively new, vid card (radeon 5850) is only a few weeks old. The first few plays were fine, but firing up the game today and no menu text is right there not staring me in the face.



Is the only fix reinstalling?






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There are three parts to the graphical total, software-wise.  Easiest to fix is the video driver, if it's what's been damaged.  Next easiest is Direct3D, in the form of Dx9 (makes no difference whether you have Vista or Win7, because the game is Dx9).  Last, if updating those didn't do it, is reinstalling the game. 

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Aeronik wrote...

I have the no text menu isse. PC is relatively new, vid card (radeon 5850) is only a few weeks old. The first few plays were fine, but firing up the game today and no menu text is right there not staring me in the face.

Is the only fix reinstalling?



Has your resolution been changed in any wierd way?

C:\\\\\\\\Users\\\\\\\\YourUsername\\\\\\\\Documents\\\\\\\\BioWare\\\\\\\\Dragon Age\\\\\\\\Settings\\\\\\\\DragonAge (open it up with notepad if asked)
Make sure none of those are worng.

Have you done anything recently new drivers etc?

EDIT: Or check Configure Settings, in the DAO launcher.... i forget about that sorry, That might be easier for you.

Modifié par Levi28001, 08 mai 2010 - 11:43 .