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#326
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thehomeworld wrote...

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Xilizhra wrote...

Is it me, or is the Destroy faction growing increasingly hostile?


You hear that guys? we're a faction now...do we like, get cool uniforms or something?


Yes they're black and we get pimped out rides too. It'll be great once we take over the bsn! :devil:

Really if people are shooting at you you're going the right way. People just can't take the logic that is destroy because they want to belive so badly in the lies that are control and sythesis that they're both good and will lead to uptoinisum.


I want a pimped out space ship. Black with a red insignia on it. Tinted windows. 5.1 sound system. Big guns. Steath drive. Yeah, that would do just fine.

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Nobody knew what the Catalyst was, and nobody knows what it does.  The choices are known only to Shepard.  They have no way to know that this or that could happen.  Note that I wouldn't try to hide behind this, assuming I lived.  When EDI talks about it, however, she's as safe as anyone else is on the Normandy.  What they may or may not choose does not come into the equation.  You are locked into making this decision based entirely on Shepard's morals, as decided by you.  When I let myself get that far, I destroy them, I spent too much time trying to find a way to stop them, and destroying them makes sure they are never a threat again.  While I would like to think that the crew that's been with me from the start would choose the same, and that the crew that joined me in the middle would understand the need to end this threat, once and for all.  Neither of the other options accomplish this with 100% certainty, Destroy does.


Because I am willing to die to save the galaxy, if that's what it takes, EDI is too, she told me herself.  So with no geth, it's a nonissue.  With the geth, it's regrettable, but, brutal calculus, and much safer for everyone that's left.

The above is what I responded to.  The above seems to be trying to suggest that because EDI is willing to die for the cause prior to knowing the choices, it makes killing her when you do have a choice acceptable and she would understand and accept that.  Your post above kind of contradicts that.  That is all I was really getting it.  You can use the EDI is willing to die defense when she has no clue there were 2 alternatives to you choosing to kill her.

You are ultimately free to make that choice but that is all I was challenging. 

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And at least we have options to pick Destroy, and avoid other endings to. And I would look at the endings again and see what is spelled out for Control, and Synthesis, as well as Refuse.

Control: Everyone lives, the Reapers rebuild things, there's peace.
Synthesis: Everyone also lives, the Reapers are freed and no longer hostile, organics and synthetics are now capable of more easily understanding each other, and are no longer such a threat.

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All organics? No. A single race? Yes.

This. Wiping out all oragnics would mean we're the Reapers...

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Xilizhra wrote...

And at least we have options to pick Destroy, and avoid other endings to. And I would look at the endings again and see what is spelled out for Control, and Synthesis, as well as Refuse.

Control: Everyone lives, the Reapers rebuild things, there's peace.
Synthesis: Everyone also lives, the Reapers are freed and no longer hostile, organics and synthetics are now capable of more easily understanding each other, and are no longer such a threat.


Destroy: Organics learn that it was their fault that the cycle happened in the first plase. They rebuild the galaxy. They now know how to treat synthetics. They honor the fallen. The harvested Organics can now rest in peace, free and not trapped in the Reaper. And there is peace.

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masster blaster wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

And at least we have options to pick Destroy, and avoid other endings to. And I would look at the endings again and see what is spelled out for Control, and Synthesis, as well as Refuse.

Control: Everyone lives, the Reapers rebuild things, there's peace.
Synthesis: Everyone also lives, the Reapers are freed and no longer hostile, organics and synthetics are now capable of more easily understanding each other, and are no longer such a threat.


Destroy: Organics learn that it was their fault that the cycle happened in the first plase. They rebuild the galaxy. They now know how to treat synthetics. They honor the fallen. The harvested Organics can now rest in peace, free and not trapped in the Reaper.

Oh, yes, because it's so much more likely that an entire galaxy's worth of people will maintain moral integrity longer than one specific person will. In any case, the ending never says that synthetics will be treated any better; why would they be anyway?

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Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Pretty much everyone and everything can die for the greated good in my opinion. That greater good is an universe without reapers, where organics can live freely. If I would have to wipe out every single advanced species in our cycle to do that, than so be it.

Only when ALL organic life would die, I wouldn't choose Destroy. Because that would make the Destroy option pretty pointless.


Would it be pointless to the Synthetics who get to live in peace?  How many separate and distinct synthetic races would have to exist before you would sacrifice organics for them?  And how many before you would not sacrifice synthetics in destroy?  Or will you simply just choose to treat them all as a single race no matter what to make whatever decision you make in those scenarios more palatable?

I ask because all it seems like we are doing here is choosing to define synthetics as one monolithic group so that we can more easily justify killing that one group to save the many other groups.

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Xilizhra wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

And at least we have options to pick Destroy, and avoid other endings to. And I would look at the endings again and see what is spelled out for Control, and Synthesis, as well as Refuse.

Control: Everyone lives, the Reapers rebuild things, there's peace.
Synthesis: Everyone also lives, the Reapers are freed and no longer hostile, organics and synthetics are now capable of more easily understanding each other, and are no longer such a threat.


Destroy: Organics learn that it was their fault that the cycle happened in the first plase. They rebuild the galaxy. They now know how to treat synthetics. They honor the fallen. The harvested Organics can now rest in peace, free and not trapped in the Reaper.

Oh, yes, because it's so much more likely that an entire galaxy's worth of people will maintain moral integrity longer than one specific person will. In any case, the ending never says that synthetics will be treated any better; why would they be anyway?


Nor does it say in Control there would be peace.
Who says they are no longer a treat in synthesis. the war with synthetics, and organics is over, but war is bound to happen.

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Xilizhra does it really bother you that much that people pick Destroy?

Because if so you and Wolfie might have more in common than I thought.

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Xilizhra wrote...

Oh, yes, because it's so much more likely that an entire galaxy's worth of people will maintain moral integrity longer than one specific person will. In any case, the ending never says that synthetics will be treated any better; why would they be anyway?


The ending specifically says peace won't last and chaos ie conflict will return. 

It is amusing though that apparently organics will learn their lesson when after the Geth killed 2 billion, the Council learned their lession by killing the harmless AI on the Citadel, lol.

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Nor does it say in Control there would be peace.
Who says they are no longer a treat in synthesis. the war with synthetics, and organics is over, but war is bound to happen.

Synthesis is badly explained, I won't deny that. However, in Control, we just see that there's no war going on even with the Reaper presence.

Xilizhra does it really bother you that much that people pick Destroy?

I find the thought processes of many going into this distressing, because it seems to me that they would think the same way IRL, if it came to sacrificing synthetic life to avoid some variety of fear of the future.

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The Quarians knew it was there fault, yet they didn't mention it. Few Quarians tried to help the Geth out, and in the war against the Reapers if you picked to save both the Geth, and Quarians they work together. The Geth were helping the Quarians. And in the end Tali was crying over legions death. The whole galaxy saw the Geth helping everyone out. Once the wave stopped in Destroy I am sure since Shepard can live to tale the tale of his/her choice they would honor the synthetics that had to die.

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Considering that Synthetic life doesn't actually exist and the choice is made in a game I don't really think there is any cause for alarm.

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Xilizhra wrote...

Nor does it say in Control there would be peace.
Who says they are no longer a treat in synthesis. the war with synthetics, and organics is over, but war is bound to happen.

Synthesis is badly explained, I won't deny that. However, in Control, we just see that there's no war going on even with the Reaper presence.

Xilizhra does it really bother you that much that people pick Destroy?

I find the thought processes of many going into this distressing, because it seems to me that they would think the same way IRL, if it came to sacrificing synthetic life to avoid some variety of fear of the future.


As is facing your fears. They died saving the galaxy. I wouldn't say they died because they just got in the way. I know full well my Shepard has to live with that, but again whether it was the synthetics, or organics that had to die, then so be it.

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Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

Considering that Synthetic life doesn't actually exist and the choice is made in a game I don't really think there is any cause for alarm.

It's coming, and probably sooner than we think. People are already considering how to draw up new legal systems for robots and the like.

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Xilizhra wrote...

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

Considering that Synthetic life doesn't actually exist and the choice is made in a game I don't really think there is any cause for alarm.

It's coming, and probably sooner than we think. People are already considering how to draw up new legal systems for robots and the like.


Please not I robot.:D


Hum.... Vicky= The catalyst.  "My logic is undeniable."

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They still haven't managed to get the guddamn jetpacks into the mix, so I'm not worried about robots in the slightest.

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Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

They still haven't managed to get the guddamn jetpacks into the mix, so I'm not worried about robots in the slightest.

Jetpacks just won't work; they'd burn your legs off.

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Xilizhra wrote...

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

They still haven't managed to get the guddamn jetpacks into the mix, so I'm not worried about robots in the slightest.

Jetpacks just won't work; they'd burn your legs off.


And AI's that are actually alive are just as silly.

Could we create a new intelligent organic species in the future? Possibly. I just don't see it happening with Robots.

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Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

They still haven't managed to get the guddamn jetpacks into the mix, so I'm not worried about robots in the slightest.

Jetpacks just won't work; they'd burn your legs off.


And AI's that are actually alive are just as silly.

Could we create a new intelligent organic species in the future? Possibly. I just don't see it happening with Robots.

When we do, it will be jetpack robots.Image IPB

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robertthebard wrote...

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

They still haven't managed to get the guddamn jetpacks into the mix, so I'm not worried about robots in the slightest.

Jetpacks just won't work; they'd burn your legs off.


And AI's that are actually alive are just as silly.

Could we create a new intelligent organic species in the future? Possibly. I just don't see it happening with Robots.

When we do, it will be jetpack robots.Image IPB


Best apocalypse ever!

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Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

robertthebard wrote...

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

They still haven't managed to get the guddamn jetpacks into the mix, so I'm not worried about robots in the slightest.

Jetpacks just won't work; they'd burn your legs off.


And AI's that are actually alive are just as silly.

Could we create a new intelligent organic species in the future? Possibly. I just don't see it happening with Robots.

When we do, it will be jetpack robots.Image IPB


Best apocalypse ever!

Kinda like these: 

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Only one option ensures that any current organic race or any that comes after will never have to worry about reapers killing organics in the name of saving them ever again. The Catalyst could have told me that the discharge from the crucible was going to scorch the Earth's surface and I would have still shot the tube.

I've always said that if aliens attacked the Earth tomorrow and all the nations of this world signed onto a plan to make a weapon and use it. If it came down to putting one human in charge of the aliens and hoping they keep them in control, joining our DNA with the aliens and becoming one race after they've murdered countless humans, and choosing to destroy them even though it would wipe out a nation and all its citizens.

I'd destroy those ****ers without a thought, the other two options would seem just as ridiculous in real life.

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It really wouldn't make sense for only 1 race of organics to be killed.

Also if Destroy killed all organics then it would be no different of a choice than simply letting the Reapers win.

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Xilizhra you do realize Mass Effect is not real right. And if it were I would be the leader of the Destroy faction because I have killed off every character in Mass Effect that can die. Wiping out Liara was my personal favorite. I even yelled "Gotcha!" when the tank hit her. What can I say? I guess I'm a Mass Effect murderer! Lol lol lol