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[VakarianWilliamsN7]

I absolutely would have sacrificed an organic race or two if it meant destroying the reapers; even the humans. But I will say I would have felt much more guilty about it. I felt no guilt whatsoever about deactivating all the AIs in the galaxy, I actually feel like I did a good thing.

[PirateMouse]

VakarianWilliamsN7 wrote...

I absolutely would have sacrificed an organic race or two if it meant destroying the reapers; even the humans. But I will say I would have felt much more guilty about it. I felt no guilt whatsoever about deactivating all the AIs in the galaxy, I actually feel like I did a good thing.

Comments like this (and this isn't the first one) as well as the overall attitude on these forums have actually begun to make me rethink Starbrat's core argument.  I used to believe it was without merit, but I am less and less certain.

I still think his solution is stupid, however.  But the problem he points to? He may have a point.

[Argolas]

PirateMouse wrote...

Comments like this (and this isn't the first one) as well as the overall attitude on these forums have actually begun to make me rethink Starbrat's core argument.  I used to believe it was without merit, but I am less and less certain.

I still think his solution is stupid, however.  But the problem he points to? He may have a point.

You mean that there will always be conflict between synthetics and organics? Guess what. There will also always be conflict between organics and organics. Look around. We on earth are all the same species and we still don't seem to get along.

[PirateMouse]

Argolas wrote...

You mean that there will always be conflict between synthetics and organics? Guess what. There will also always be conflict between organics and organics. Look around. We on earth are all the same species and we still don't seem to get along.

I'm aware of that, but I'm not sure it's entirely the same in this context.  Ah well.  It's just a feeling I've gotten from these forums ... don't really want to get into it.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

 As many as it takes.

If I can help it, though?

Probably none.

[PwrdOff]

I'd wipe out all sentient life in the galaxy to destroy the Reapers. At least any species that evolve in the future will be able to develop without the looming menace of the Reapers hanging over their heads in perpetuity. The races of the current cycle had a nice run, their sacrifice will be honored in the coming empire.

[Killdren88]

Isn't that was refuse is? Sacrifice your cycle so the next can break it? Because really what is the point of destroy if you end up killing off more organics?

Modifié par Killdren88, 14 avril 2013 - 06:02 .

[teh DRUMPf!!]

Killdren88 wrote...

Isn't that was refuse is? Sacrifice your cycle so the next can break it? Because really what is the point of destroy if you end up killing off more organics?

I guess the point is losing no more after us. I agree, though; I'd try to avoid such an outcome at all costs.

[JDee3]

I don't know how you destroyers do it unless your Shep is renegade (which is the only thing that makes destroy the best good guy decision in my opinion.. control as renegade is the most evil thing ever)

I felt the synthetics were just as human as the organics. What makes organics living? Having a mind and soul of their own. A big question in the game was "Does this unit have a soul?" In the ME universe I like to think yes it does (how else would they decide themselves to help organics, no one told them to). Picking destroy is a HUGE step back in the evolution process (for the ME Universe) and just technology in general. But I get the argument everyone knew that they may not make it out.. I just don't think they planned to die by the hands of someone on their side

[The Twilight God]

PirateMouse wrote...

Here's a question for those who picked Destroy ...

Would you still pick Destroy if it required you to kill all quarians?

All asari?

All turians?

All humans?

All organics?

How far are you really prepared to go? How far does the end justify the means for you?

If it killed all organics what we be the point of anything as ALL LIFE IN THE ENTIRE GALAXY would be gone? You are, in essence, asking if we would used the Crucible if it didn't work.

As far a single race, yes. It's either that one race perish or ALL space faring races perish in one form or another. It's a pretty simple and clear cut decision.

[Bill Casey]

The Twilight God wrote...

If it killed all organics what we be the point of anything as ALL LIFE IN THE ENTIRE GALAXY would be gone? You are, in essence, asking if we would used the Crucible if it didn't work.

The Geth and EDI wouldn't be gone...

[PwrdOff]

The Twilight God wrote...

If it killed all organics what we be the point of anything as ALL LIFE IN THE ENTIRE GALAXY would be gone? You are, in essence, asking if we would used the Crucible if it didn't work.

As far a single race, yes. It's either that one race perish or ALL space faring races perish in one form or another. It's a pretty simple and clear cut decision.

Even if you wiped out every living being in the galaxy, life would find a way to come back somehow, and there wouldn't be the Reapers hanging around in dark space waiting to cull them at regular intervals.  So maybe the new species would actually get a chance to reach their full potential without having to live in fear.

Then again, there's nothing keeping another version of the Reapers, or something even worse, from being created in the future, beginning the cycle anew.

[The Twilight God]

Bill Casey wrote...

The Twilight God wrote...

If it killed all organics what we be the point of anything as ALL LIFE IN THE ENTIRE GALAXY would be gone? You are, in essence, asking if we would used the Crucible if it didn't work.

The Geth and EDI wouldn't be gone...

Regardless, there is no viable choice other than destroying the Reapers. There is no way I'm just rolling over and let them continue their onslaught. No way I'm going to join them in their cause. No way I'm going the validate their actions by doing their job for them.

There simply is no other reasonable option other than to activate the Crucible and hope for the best. If only EDI and the Geth made it, so be it. They can engineer new life if they choose. They have all eternity to re-seed the galaxy and be benevolent machine overlords.

[Reorte]

JDee3 wrote...

I don't know how you destroyers do it unless your Shep is renegade (which is the only thing that makes destroy the best good guy decision in my opinion.. control as renegade is the most evil thing ever)

I felt the synthetics were just as human as the organics. What makes organics living? Having a mind and soul of their own. A big question in the game was "Does this unit have a soul?" In the ME universe I like to think yes it does (how else would they decide themselves to help organics, no one told them to). Picking destroy is a HUGE step back in the evolution process (for the ME Universe) and just technology in general. But I get the argument everyone knew that they may not make it out.. I just don't think they planned to die by the hands of someone on their side

By looking at the bigger picture, so as not to chose something even worse just to avoid the (badly contrived) immediate negative consequences. In a few centuries the geth will be a footnote in history, there will probably be other AIs around (or the geth rebuilt) with Destroy but the galaxy will be living with the consequences of the other choices for a lot longer.

Maybe that's what Renegade is supposed to be about, but it was never really portrayed as that and the word doesn't fit either.

[nrobbiec]

I sacrificed the Krogan to save Mordin.

[Mr. Gogeta34]

PirateMouse wrote...

Here's a question for those who picked Destroy ...

Would you still pick Destroy if it required you to kill all quarians?

All asari?

All turians?

All humans?

All organics?

How far are you really prepared to go? How far does the end justify the means for you?

I know ME3's ending didn't make sense as it is, but this scenario would blow it over the top.  But getting past how that would be possible... I'd still pick destroy over the other two options... but I'd want proof regardless (still don't get why Shepard would just believe what the Reaper leader tells him when mind-screwing is their primary weapon).

[Xilizhra]

Regardless, there is no viable choice other than destroying the Reapers. There is no way I'm just rolling over and let them continue their onslaught. No way I'm going to join them in their cause. No way I'm going the validate their actions by doing their job for them.

So your decision is being made largely on ego?

[robertthebard]

Xilizhra wrote...

Regardless, there is no viable choice other than destroying the Reapers. There is no way I'm just rolling over and let them continue their onslaught. No way I'm going to join them in their cause. No way I'm going the validate their actions by doing their job for them.

So your decision is being made largely on ego?

This from somebody that decided to make themselves a God?

[Xilizhra]

robertthebard wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Regardless, there is no viable choice other than destroying the Reapers. There is no way I'm just rolling over and let them continue their onslaught. No way I'm going to join them in their cause. No way I'm going the validate their actions by doing their job for them.

So your decision is being made largely on ego?

This from somebody that decided to make themselves a God?

It was never my goal, but if I have to, I will.

[cerberus1701]

PirateMouse wrote...

Here's a question for those who picked Destroy ...

Would you still pick Destroy if it required you to kill all quarians?

All asari?

All turians?

All humans?

All organics?

How far are you really prepared to go? How far does the end justify the means for you?

Said it before, say it again.

I'd sacrifice ANY one race, Asari, Human. Whatever.

The freedom to choose our own path is worth any single race.

I don't have to justify Destroy. Control is viable if you go Deist (Shep fixes Relays, takes robo-squid army and leaves, never to return.)

Synthesis? With Destroy you can scream "Genocide" all day, but there isn't even a word in human language to describe the war crime that is Synthesis.

Modifié par cerberus1701, 14 avril 2013 - 12:42 .

[robertthebard]

Xilizhra wrote...

robertthebard wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Regardless, there is no viable choice other than destroying the Reapers. There is no way I'm just rolling over and let them continue their onslaught. No way I'm going to join them in their cause. No way I'm going the validate their actions by doing their job for them.

So your decision is being made largely on ego?

This from somebody that decided to make themselves a God?

It was never my goal, but if I have to, I will.

Excuse me, but if you can say that somebody who chose Destroy is guilty of intentionally and systematically wiping out a culture, I can say that you did indeed intend to become a God, and not just any God mind you, but the Reaper God, since you knew full well what would happen when you grabbed the electrodes.

[cerberus1701]

nrobbiec wrote...

I sacrificed the Krogan to save Mordin.

One elderly Salarian with, at best, 7 or 8 years left for an entire race?

Seems legit.

[Sc2mashimaro]

BNN999 wrote...

Then again, there's nothing keeping another version of the Reapers, or something even worse, from being created in the future, beginning the cycle anew.

That is a danger with all of the endings. It is obvious in Destroy, but there is nothing in control that would stop organics from making something more powerful than the Reapers unless Shepard stopped them by using force (and the only tool he has are Reapers). In Synthesis, it is true that "synthetics", in a strict sense, will not wipe out "organics", but the reason for conflict never had anything to do with that distinction and everything to do with the inevitable result of having more than one sentient, self determining being. Conflict will arise again, it may become violent, and one group may exterminate another in that conflict. That always was and always will be a danger. (obviously, I do not buy into the Catalyst's analysis of the problem)

[The Twilight God]

Xilizhra wrote...

Regardless, there is no viable choice other than destroying the Reapers. There is no way I'm just rolling over and let them continue their onslaught. No way I'm going to join them in their cause. No way I'm going the validate their actions by doing their job for them.

So your decision is being made largely on ego?

I don't understand what you mean. Could you elaborate?

[Dunabar]

The Geth in my story were not destroyed at earth, but back on Rannoch by the Quarians. Am I doing the whole 'destroy is genocide' thing right?