remydat wrote...
I think that end scene still makes sense. It simply shows that no matter the choice you largely end up in the same spot. That is the point to me. The player makes a choice based on his own morals but ultimately that choice is simply 4 paths to the same end. We are humans. We have a finite perspective. We tend to think that drastically different choices invariably lead to drastically different outcomes but over the course of millions of years those choices can become largely insignificant and all converge on the same outcome. So in short, different methods to arrive at the same end.
Nope they were annihilated by a super race of synthetic-organic hybrids. It is your bias (I don't mean that personally or as an insult) that chooses to see them as more synthetic. That right there if you said it to Mr Super AI confirms your inherent bias. The Reapers are evil so they are synthetic. We will ignore the fact they are also organic. And you can't respond with but the organic part of them has no control over their decisions but the synthetic part has very little control as well. They are just following the restrictive programming their synthetic creater and by extension Leviathan designed for them. So the threat is of a synthetic organic origin but you in your organic mind see it as a synthetic threat and over coutless cycles developed a weapon that sort to destroy all synthetics.
That is the logical conclusion a Super AI would make especially if you talk to it as you just did to me and choose to define the threat as a synthetic one ignoring the organic origins of said threat. Leviathan ie an organic is just as much as fault for the Reapers as the Catalyst. It was it's sh*tty programing that led to this problem. And of course this is just a possibility. It is also possible as I said that it doesn't care about it but that is no different than the possibilty that Control and Synthesis do not result in the Reapers rebelling. In fact, the game itself makes clear the Catalyst believes Chaos ie conflict with synthetics will return 100% in the destroy option but that in it's opinion, Control and Synthesis will not result in a Reaper harvest. So you are actually speculating more if you think Control or Synthesis are bigger threats than Destroy as the game makes clear Destroy is the bigger threat for conflict to return.
Also as an aside on the Geth. The Quarians only stand down in the Paragon and Renegade options because the are told the Geth have RC or are back to full strength and will wipe them out. Without that knowledge ie in the non-peace options they choose to fire and so you either have to stop the Geth from uploading the code and let the Quarians kill them or let the Geth upload the code and kill the Geth. There is no option in the game where the Geth don't upload the code and the Quarians stand down.
And I don't care about your choices. I care about the debate. You didn't see me start a thread about this. I responded to people's opinions by pointing out what I though were flaws in their logic. You are ultimately free to decide whatever you want for whatever reasons you want. The only time I point this stuff out was when people are trying to imply Destroy is the only good option. It isn't. All the options have pros and cons and all of them are in some way valid. You are playing god in all these choices and it is simply a matter of what kind of god you want to be. A pessmistic one that thinks the threat can only be ended with more sacrifices of life or an optimistic one where you think it can be ended with no further loss of life. And I see pessmistic and optimistic to describe your outlook not to cast aspersions. I don't nescessarily consider one outlook better than the other.
That is a matter of opinion, I already got that, except for a few minor differences, the outcome of any of the ending is more or less the same. Sadly. That only reinforced the impression that whatever choices I made previously were, in the end, insignificant. As far as I'm concerned, and I stress this is only my opinion, that scene was unnecessary.
I don't consider the Reapers as organic/synthetic hybrids. For me they are like a jam pot. They are just storage. Some kind of big genocidal library. Granted, it is difficult to define a civilisation, but a living one usually produces art, thoughts, ideology and all that cultural stuff associated. As far as we know, there is nothing of this from the organic goo the Reapers store inside of them, unless we entertain the idea that when they aren't harvesting, Reapers make musical comedies in the big void. If they really were hybrids, they wouldn't need Synthesis in the first place. They are just Synthetics, dumb ones at that, unable to think for themselves since they can't change their own programming and imagine a way to preserve the past civilisations without killing them in the process. EDI was able to modifiy her own programming and think for herself, and she did that in a few months. Reapers had millenias. So, I can't consider them as anything but dumb Synthetics.
The fact that they were created by organics is of no consequence and this is why: someone who commits a crime is responsible for it's own acts and must be dealt with accordingly so that ideally, they do not pose a threat to society anymore. I don't care if they say they had a ****ty childhood. Plenty of people have a ****ty childhood, and they don't go and kill people. Besides, Reapers could be organic drones grown in tubes and brainwashed by some synthetic beings who screwed their programming and we'd still have to stop them.
Reapers are a threat I have to deal with whether with Control, Destroy or Synthesis. As previously stated, I find Synthesis ridiculous, and I won't chose Control either (except for variety) because no one should have that kind of power in my opinion. So, Destroy it is. Will there be conflicts with Synthetics in the future? Maybe, though if anything, I hope the galactic community will have learned a thing or two about how to handle synthetic life, since it's bound to happen at some point. Besides, there WILL be conflicts of any kind anyway. This is what can happen when people are free to decide for themselves, which isn't the case when they have some big looming Damocles sword ready to fall on them if it goes against Sheplyst ideals.People, organic or synthetic, fatally get in competition for ressources at some point and will fight for them if they can't find a middle-ground. As an exemple, Geth destroyed Heretics, just because they had different views than the rest of the consensus. Shouldn't they have been allowed to keep on living? They were entitled to their opinion, were they not? Apparently, the Geth didn't think so. Conflict. Conflict and chaos are part of life. The freedom to decide for itself is what I chose for the future galactic community.
I never said it's the best choice for everyone, I say it's the best for me and that I would still chose it if it meant the annihilation of all organic life. See? No bias against Synthetics. I'm a perfect advocate of equal opprtunity in this case. I'm not trying to change anyone's opinion, just answering the OP. I already explained why I'd still chose Destroy, so I won't go into that anymore. Oh, and for the record, I see Control as the more pessimistic choice, meaning that the galactic community necessitates some omnipotent overlord to ensure people will work together and impose forced peace.
I know there is no option where the Geth don't upload the code. I'm confused as to why you brought it up pertaining to that discussion. I was just saying that IF they didn't, they might have survived the destroy beam, ironically enough.
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