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[LinksOcarina]

chemiclord wrote...

I'm not exactly sure what I need to forgive them FOR.

Near everything that is claimed as a "lie" or an "insult" is sensationalist garbage created by bitter fans looking for a reason to justify their rage; even if they have to make up said reason by ripping quotes of their context, twisting meanings, or outright fabricating material.

Bioware told a story, one that I wasn't particularly fond of. EA and Bioware didn't put a gun to my head and force me to preorder sight unseen. I did that myself, and the only one I can blame for that is me. They didn't "hurt" me. They didn't "steal" "my story", because it was never mine to begin with. They made a poor product. Oh well. **** happens.

Lesson learned.

[snakeboy86]

If you were lead in by the hype and didn't see the big "Shepard dies at the end" sign

Even knowing this was the end of shepard I still enjoy the trilogy and ME3 a lot

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

I wouldn't say I've forgiven them, but I've moved on. They have left me very weary of their future releases though, and since ME3 I refuse to preorder and buy games on release day.

Before ME3 and DA2 Bioware games were an automatic buy for me, I could depend on Bioware for a quality game sadly that isn't the case anymore.

[Shad Croly]

Yestare7 wrote...

chemiclord wrote...

I'm not exactly sure what I need to forgive them FOR.

+1



They have given me a fantastic entertainment product.

I am very gratefull to Bioware.

Ready to get into Mass Effect 4!!

Well said.

[Auld Wulf]

There was nothing to forgive.

That it went over the heads of some to the point where they threw things at their telly because they were expecting mindless "candy entertainment" and got art? Well, that's not their fault, now is it? It's the fault of the bloody mainstream for being so shallow and promoting candy entertainment with nary anything beyond the plot of Space Invaders as an expectation.

Also, calling "shallow writing" is utterly laughable unless you're an educated critic of merit or an established writer yourself. Many of the best works have been called that, some even years before they came into their own when they were finally understood. Even Terry Pratchett got called on that and he's a well loved author. So that really doesn't hold any water. All I hear when I see "shoddy writing" is "I didn't get it."

If I can easily explain the story, then any other person matched to or above my intelligence should be able to as well. It really isn't hard. And I don't exactly have any claims to genius. I'm just sick and tired of brainless entertainment.

Due to this endless desire for brainless entertainment... so many games have suffered. Look at BioShock Infinite, a game that felt it had to compensate for its art with sheer multitudes of gore and spectacle.

I always look at the evidence and I know I'm not wrong.

Mass Effect 3 was a thing of beauty. It was just not what the mainstream expected. That doesn't matter to me.

Modifié par Auld Wulf, 13 avril 2013 - 01:34 .

[Banul]

Because it's time for you to move on with your damn life.

[PsyrenY]

Their two major transgressions - needing MP to unlock all the endings, and no epilogue - both got fixed with Extended Cut. So, Extended Cut is the reason I forgave them.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

I just sort of stopped caring.

Hell the only reason I hang around the BSN is for the entertainment value.

(And Wolfie's lovable insanity)

Modifié par Grand Admiral Cheesecake, 13 avril 2013 - 01:51 .

[tonofluck21]

Because expecting every game a company makes to be a masterpiece simply because they have done good ones in the past is a little ridiculous.

Examples:

Gearbox:
Made games like Brothers In Arms, Borderlands, and helped out with expansions for the original Half-Life.

On the other hand they also made horrific crap like Duke Nukem: Forever and Aliens: Colonial Marines.

Expecting every sequel in a franchise to be better then the last is also ridiculous.

Examples:

Postal III, Sonic the Hedgehog (2006), and Steel Battalion: Heavy Armor.

[TurianRebel212]

Nope. I'm over ME3 and BioWare, and plan on not purchasing any products from BioWare. Unless major policy and procedures and also changes in key positions, I will not purchase. Purchase. Bioware products, I'll play DA3 down the road, either as a free rental or borrow from a friend. but I will not purchase it. Hold the wallet.

[Alien Number Six]

I never had to. I have played the hell out of Mass Effect 3 and enjoy the game.

[Rikketik]

I was never mad in the first place. Yeah, the endings aren't exactly great, but they are what they are and I can't change that. And in the end they are just a small part of the game for me. What matters is that everything else is a blast to play.

[Nightwriter]

snakeboy86 wrote...

If you were lead in by the hype and didn't see the big "Shepard dies at the end" sign

Even knowing this was the end of shepard I still enjoy the trilogy and ME3 a lot

There was no sign. People just like to pat themselves on the back for retro-foresight.

[Alien Number Six]

I agree with Auld Wulf on this one, scary I know.

[Delacruz]

Spartas Husky wrote...

I have forgiven... I just dont forget. And those who do not forget history will avoid repeating it in the future.

Thus avoid Bioware.

So "avoiding" Bioware means lurking on 'Bioware' social network? 

[Delacruz]

Auld Wulf wrote...

There was nothing to forgive.

That it went over the heads of some to the point where they threw things at their telly because they were expecting mindless "candy entertainment" and got art? Well, that's not their fault, now is it? It's the fault of the bloody mainstream for being so shallow and promoting candy entertainment with nary anything beyond the plot of Space Invaders as an expectation.

Also, calling "shallow writing" is utterly laughable unless you're an educated critic of merit or an established writer yourself. Many of the best works have been called that, some even years before they came into their own when they were finally understood. Even Terry Pratchett got called on that and he's a well loved author. So that really doesn't hold any water. All I hear when I see "shoddy writing" is "I didn't get it."

If I can easily explain the story, then any other person matched to or above my intelligence should be able to as well. It really isn't hard. And I don't exactly have any claims to genius. I'm just sick and tired of brainless entertainment.

Due to this endless desire for brainless entertainment... so many games have suffered. Look at BioShock Infinite, a game that felt it had to compensate for its art with sheer multitudes of gore and spectacle.

I always look at the evidence and I know I'm not wrong.

Mass Effect 3 was a thing of beauty. It was just not what the mainstream expected. That doesn't matter to me.

Maybe the problem isn't that the writing is bad per se. But ME3's story was written to cater for a new audience.
The whole "ME3 is a great place to start" was a silly move in my book. They could have handled that in a better way imo. (Make noticable discounts on ME1 and 2 for those who purchased ME3, or make a combined version of Genesis 1 & 2 (containing most if not all choices + dlc) and force everyone that starts a new game to go through them, etc.)

You can't ignore that ME3 catered more to new players than established fans of the series. Of course bioware wants to sell more games, so they can have a bigger profit, they are after all a company.Bbut doing it in a way that distanced them from their otherwise loyal fanbse is not the way to do it.

Is ME3 as badly written as a lot of people claim? No, i don't think so. But in my honest opinion, in a lot of places ME3 feels more of a stand alone title than a continuation of the story established in the first two games.

[HiddenInWar]

I mean...it's a video game? There are much more pressing and meaningful relationships to me regarding forgiveness than that of a gaming company to it's consumer. To each their own I might add.

[tonofluck21]

That's it, I'm going to start doing shots every time someone links to a smudboy or clevernoob video that has to do with ME3.

[Zing Freelancer]

BioWare who? Oh you mean the publisher that is currently working for the worst company in America?

I dont want to buy any crap, so will I pass on buying any further products carrying the label of Americas worst company.

[SpamBot2000]

Apparently a lot of people like to go on a video game forum to talk about how video games are too trivial to care about.

Modifié par SpamBot2000, 13 avril 2013 - 07:09 .

[N7Avin180]

I dont see what I'm forgiving them for.

[obibenjedi]

Come to terms with terrible endings. But lot of game developers seem to be unaware of why people like a game and muck it up!
Think what is harder to forgive is the way fans who didn't like ending were talked about. Entitled whiners is not great way to talk or allow others to talk about your disgruntled customers!

[Nightwriter]

mahler5 wrote...

 I can understand if you just don't want to be bitter anymore, but to say you've forgiven them for all the lies and shoddy storytelling doesn't seem to make much sense to me. Even with the extended cut, many of the problems with the ending were still not solved, and even introduced new ones. And the Citadel DLC was pure fanservice meant to placate anyone who still wasn't satisfied, giving you an extra story that had no relevance to the main plot whatsoever despite promising to be a proper sendoff to the trilogy. It was thematically inconsistent with the rest of the game, and forced anyone who wanted to have that as a proper sendoff to leave the game incompleted.

Basically, why forgive an inferior product that almost completely invalidated nearly every choice from the previous games, left enough plot holes to sink an aircraft carrier, and ended on such a sour note as to warrant the one of the largest backlashes in gaming history?

Sources:
http://social.biowar...ndex/10204263/1
http://attackofthefa...3-extended-cut/
https://docs.google....?pli=1&sle=true

Hey man why you gotta dis the Citadel DLC. Come on now.

Forgiveness is bestowed on someone you know personally who has wronged you. Between a consumer and a company, it is more a matter of restored or unrestored confidence.

[sUiCiDeKiNgS13]

I have moved on because I really like the Revamped Control Ending and Leviathan fits into the story very well, especially when played right before Assault on Cerberus.

Also, it's just exhausting being angry all the time. Plus I started playing the entire Metal Gear Series, and that took my mind right off the Ending

[Kataphrut94]

I liked the game, so there was nothing to forgive.