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[Rafficus III]

It was a game, not an atrocity on mankind. While I was disappointed with Citadel being just fanservice )causing a disjointed ME3 flow and feel), perplexed as to why they didn't add on to the endings (which was the most demanded product), and unhappy with the recurring forced martyrdom, ME3 was just a game; a game which I thoroughly loved for the characters, my hero, and was pleasantly surprised by MP.

Modifié par hornedfrog87, 15 avril 2013 - 03:51 .

[Wolfva2]

Forgiven? Forgiven for what? They are a company; the sole reason for their existence is to make money. They do this by creating a product which they think people will buy. Don't like their product? Don't buy it. After all, YOU aren't their client base, YOU aren't the type of person they're trying to make money from. The people who DO like the game are.

It's like, headcheese. Lots of people don't like headcheese. I'm one of them. So, should we band together and flock to Hormel's webpage to protest headcheese? I can see it now... "Headcheese sucks! WE demand that Hormel stop making headcheese and make something WE like!!!" Someone pipes up with, "Well, *I* like headcheese just fine." "Oh, well YOU don't count! You're just a...a....faaaaanbooiiiiiiii! Your opinion doesn't matter! WE say it sucks! And Hormel sucks for making headcheese!!!!!"

If that example seems ludicrous to you, then you should see just how ludicrous ALL of these types of threads are. Like Bioware games? Keep buying 'em. Hate em? Stop buying them. Like them, but upset over the ending? Write a letter to the company; that is FAR more effective then whinging about it on the forums. Because frankly? Ya'll have cried us a river. It's time to build a freaking bridge and get over it.

Modifié par Wolfva2, 15 avril 2013 - 02:26 .

[Wolfva2]

So Data, problem with reading comprehension, eh? I do love it when people quote what I say then claim I said something else. Or, I suppose you think writing a letter to the Company is the same as 'roll over and STFU'? Personally, I think that letter will do FAR more to get your point across then complaining incessantly for months, or years, about not liking something.

Because you are forgetting something very VERY important. Not everyone agrees with you. You seem to think that just because YOU don't like something, and because other people don't like something, NO ONE likes it. You are wrong. There are people who liked the ending. There are people who weren't happy, but it doesn't detract from their enjoyment of the product to such an extent that they're going to dedicate their lives to destroying BW.

Your last paragraph doesn't have much to do with the topic. It's interesting how many people equate "incessant whining" with 'constructive criticism'. There IS a difference. Here's 2 examples.
1) I HATE the ending! Bioware SUUUUCKS! I hope they all die in a fire!!! The devs are INEPT!!! The writers can't WRIIIIIIIITE!!!!! WAAHHHHHHHHH!!! Rage rage RAGE!!!!
2) I think the NPC crowds should have more women in them, and there should be more female characters in the MP game.

Ok. Of the 2 examples, which is constructive criticism? Which is just someone venting uselessly? Most of these BW hate threads are just people venting uselessly about how much they hate something. It's not constructive. In fact, it's destructive. I've heard from many people over the years who avoid game forums for that very reason...because they see them as cess pits of vile negativity. It also feeds into the cliche of 'nerd rage', that gamers are just self entitled brats throwing temper tantrums because they can't have their way.

[Helmschmied]

WittingEight65 wrote...

Oh yeah, this game is so ****ing bad. I better go play COD or FIFA...oh wait!

Well, at least they're good games for what they want to be.

[Nole]

Helmschmied wrote...

WittingEight65 wrote...

Oh yeah, this game is so ****ing bad. I better go play COD or FIFA...oh wait!

Well, at least they're good games for what they want to be.

Then go play them instead of being here arguing about this bad excuse of a game.

[Earth_Divide]

Short answer: No.

Long answer:

The series as a whole is amazing. I loved it.
The last 10 minutes is, in my humble opinion, ****.
I don't like not having what I was told I'd get (Many possible endings, as opposed to blue/green/red/rebel, etc. Don't get me wrong, I've heard explanations of this before, but it just doesn't float my boat).

Regardless of the reasons for how the ending turned out, it still dissapointed me enough to make me stop playing it and the multiplayer, and proceed to uninstall the series.

At first, when I finished it, I wasn't expecting the way it unfolded. I was a bit confused and a bit annoyed.
I felt like the Extended Cut was shoddily slapped together, and that they should have taken more time to polish that out with full animated cutscenes and all.

All that, combined with their excuse of "Artistic Integrity", and their general dismissal/rejection of anyone who disagreed with their thoughts, opinions, and choices, it all just turned me off from Bioware and EA as a whole.

Their job, as a company, is to make money from selling a product.
Not to give us the perfect endings we all would have been happy with seeing (good or bad, destroy or save, star child or lack there of).
They got that from all of us, love it or hate it.

That said, I'll be watching video walkthroughs of their future games instead of buying them.
"Voting with one's wallet", I hear it's called.

[Yalision]

Bioware has come to the place that Lionhead came to at the end of Fable II for me. I still bought Fable III, and it was every bit as awful as I'd feared it would be. Now I know not to buy the next Fable, because that team has consistently proven over a course of years that they lost the potential of the franchise.

Dragon Age 2 burned me, and it was unexpected, so I let it go. Mass Effect 3 offended me on so many levels after years of investment that it made the handling of Dragon Age 2's mistakes look like minor annoyances (I never bought a single piece of DLC for Dragon Age 2 since it was messed up so terribly). Everything rests upon whether or not Dragon Age III can live up to expectations now.

If I am given another BS story where there isn't a main antagonist and my hero walks off RANDOMLY with no exposition after the final battle, then I'm quite literally done. Fable could have been the franchise to sell me on new things like Kinect, but no. I knew Fable: The Journey would be horrible because of the pedigree so I watched it entirely on youtube and the story was 100% garbage. Bioware teeters perilously close to that threshold these days.

And I'm replaying Dragon Age: Origins even as I post this. I'm playing the mage origin for the first itme. I love that game, I've played it well over 100 hours over the course of my owning it I'm sure. Mass Effect I & 2 were incredible. In fact there were many things I loved about Mass Effect 3, but in the end the studio failed to repair the damage for me as a fan. I'm still burned badly by it.

We will see as time passes if Bioware is capable of making good games any longer. Perhaps if they gave Patrick Weekes a higher position we would all live in a narrative utopia.

Modifié par Yalision, 15 avril 2013 - 04:59 .

[Brovikk Rasputin]

Mangalores wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

They might have screwed up a bit with the original ending, but the rest of the game was absolutely amazing in so many ways, and the ending was completely fixed with the FREE Extended Cut a few months after. And then there's the Citadel DLC.

Maybe you should just move on with your life, OP? It's been over a year.

Then why are you on the forum one year later?  

...

Stopped reading after that sentence.. Are you serious?! Do I really have to answer that? 

Because I LIKE the game. I LIKE to talk about a game that I LIKE. You, on the other hand, seems to take great pleasure in talking about a game you don't like, which is pretty interesting to say the least. 

[Helmschmied]

WittingEight65 wrote...

Helmschmied wrote...

WittingEight65 wrote...

Oh yeah, this game is so ****ing bad. I better go play COD or FIFA...oh wait!

Well, at least they're good games for what they want to be.

Then go play them instead of being here arguing about this bad excuse of a game.

Why should I? I'm not interested in those kinds of games.

[Wolfva2]

Data7, fair answer.

Me? I'm all for constructive criticism. I think constructively discussing differences and shortcomings in a game forum can help the Devs make a better game. I just find it sad that there is so little constructive criticism.

Bioware really screwed up by not having a 'flame room' on their forums. A place where people can rant and rage to their hearts content. They could have had a sub-room, "People who hate the game post here!" and concentrate all the vitriol in one place. Then, perhaps the 'discussion' forums would be full of people actually...DISCUSSING...the game instead of just ranting about what they hate and how the game would be perfect if only BW turned around and rewrote it to their specs.

[Redbelle]

I think one of the (let's face it), many reason's why ME3 came out and was received badly, was not only due to the ending, but the hype that preceded the release.

Looking back at ME2 the trailer's were short interview's with the squadmate's, allowing us to get an idea of who they are while they give us their outlook on life and Shepard in general.

Roll forward to ME3's trailer and it's the end of the galaxy as we know it....... It's going to be the biggest battle of the galaxy, and we have Ash as she appeared in ME1+2. The Mako being dropped. Some rough concept of planet's and distress call's where you have to choose which planet to save and which to sacrifice for the greater good. And then when the game was released, none of that happened.

That wasn't a major problem though. When it come's to game's you deal with what you have. And even without the enhanced combat versitility of being a soldier in command of a tank while actively choosing the fate's of entire worlds ME3 is an enjoyable experience..... But the trailer's set a tone for what the game would be like, and IMO the trailer's did not accurately portray the expectation's of the game. The ending was just the straw that broke the camel's back.

And while BW are forgiven, I don't think it is wise to forget that, despite opinion, ME3 lit up the fanbase like a fire ******. BW need's to know why that happened, what they did to permit that reaction to occur and how to build their game's, advertise them and bring them to a conclusion that entertain's the notion of ending a game based on past event's. Not shoehorning in new character's to end the game like another successful game, without understanding why that other games ending was so successful.

I'd really prefer to not have to hear about another round of cupcakes being sent out..... Though that was the best protest I have heard of.

[cljqnsnyc]

I HATED the 3 endings with a passion! They killed the trilogy and made everything seem irrelevant. That was a year ago. Today, I use the MEHEM and follow it with the "Citadel" dlc and it plays just the way I want it. Trilogy saved.

Look...it's done! I'm glad that there is a 4th option that works for me. It is clear that the new dlc was meant to be a big fat kiss to the fans...and that's fine by me. Fits perfectly with the happy mod so I'm great.

There isn't anything anyone can do about the rainbow endings anyway...except what I and many others will do, are doing, and have done.....ignore them and choose door number 4.

Thanks for the great dlc and an extraordinary trilogy! If anyone has a problem with that, I suggest you take that up with ...yourself.

[His Name was HYR!!]

 My opinion of BioWare (the ME team, at least) has always been : they're not that good, but they're not that bad either!

ME3 did nothing to change that opinion I've had of them. It had its highs and lows, about what I'd expect from them.

I kind of treat the ending (original) like an outlier, really. I don't figure that's how they typically work (no peer review).

[Mangalores]

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...
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Stopped reading after that sentence.. Are you serious?! Do I really have to answer that? 

Because I LIKE the game. I LIKE to talk about a game that I LIKE. You, on the other hand, seems to take great pleasure in talking about a game you don't like, which is pretty interesting to say the least. 

In your own words: You should move on. It's a game. But somehow you don't. It's pretty interesting to say the least. Your response is simply superificial, evidenced by its reversibility. That's what I wanted to point out.

If you had bothered to read you'd understand that I actually LIKE the Mass Effect universe but DISLIKE where the story took it and how they told it. The former might be a subjective thing but is aggravated by the later being structural errors in narration (aka of how not to tell a story).

And people like to talk about stuff they dislike even more than about stuff they like, particular when it happens to stuff they like. Pretty basic human psychology.

PS: Some people do work and can't play games when they are released. Quite interesting indeed. I finished my first playthrough last weekend, just for reference.

Modifié par Mangalores, 15 avril 2013 - 02:38 .

[phat0817]

Nothing to forgive this is company out of make money I just learned my lesson and will prob avoid me4 and the next dragon age unless the reviews are off the chart( from fellow gamers)..I guess you can say I've become better consumer with games now

[Xamufam]

I haven't after all their lies & false advertising I will never forgive them
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/323/index/10204263/

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/10405204/1

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/323/index/10735371

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Modifié par Troxa, 15 avril 2013 - 06:58 .

[AlanC9]

Redbelle wrote...

Roll forward to ME3's trailer and it's the end of the galaxy as we know it....... It's going to be the biggest battle of the galaxy, and we have Ash as she appeared in ME1+2. The Mako being dropped. Some rough concept of planet's and distress call's where you have to choose which planet to save and which to sacrifice for the greater good. And then when the game was released, none of that happened.
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Which trailer was that? I remember an ME1 trailer featuring distress calls and choosing which one to answer. Didn't happen in that game either.

[Saans Shadow]

I forgave them after the EC. I liked it. It was enough closure for me. I will be looking forward to Mass Effect 4

[AlanC9]

And I don't know what you're talking about here:

Redbelle wrote...

That wasn't a major problem though. When it come's to game's you deal with what you have. And even without the enhanced combat versitility of being a soldier in command of a tank while actively choosing the fate's of entire worlds ME3 is an enjoyable experience..... .

The tank's gone-- sorry for your loss-- but the choosing fates thing is far bigger in ME3.

[fr33stylez]

chemiclord wrote...

I'm not exactly sure what I need to forgive them FOR.

Near everything that is claimed as a "lie" or an "insult" is sensationalist garbage created by bitter fans looking for a reason to justify their rage; even if they have to make up said reason by ripping quotes of their context, twisting meanings, or outright fabricating material.

Bioware told a story, one that I wasn't particularly fond of. EA and Bioware didn't put a gun to my head and force me to preorder sight unseen. I did that myself, and the only one I can blame for that is me. They didn't "hurt" me. They didn't "steal" "my story", because it was never mine to begin with. They made a poor product. Oh well. **** happens.

Lesson learned.

Pretty much.

[ruggly]

Uh, I guess? I accept the endings for what they are, but I don't like them, and probably never will. But the rest of the trilogy leading up to that is still pretty good. Though I won't be making a decision on the next Mass Effect until I know more about it. Hopefully they now know it's a good idea to have peer review on the endings, though.

[Redbelle]

AlanC9 wrote...

Redbelle wrote...

Roll forward to ME3's trailer and it's the end of the galaxy as we know it....... It's going to be the biggest battle of the galaxy, and we have Ash as she appeared in ME1+2. The Mako being dropped. Some rough concept of planet's and distress call's where you have to choose which planet to save and which to sacrifice for the greater good. And then when the game was released, none of that happened.
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Which trailer was that? I remember an ME1 trailer featuring distress calls and choosing which one to answer. Didn't happen in that game either.

Dug into the website I saw it on. Your right. It was for ME1, the website was aimed at ME3 though so I assumed.....

Still, I can't help but feel that 'The' epic battle didn't happen. Just Shepard's 3 man squad doing all the work.

To contrast, I'm turning to ZoE2. The fight's with Jehuty being all one man army battle's, and then they give you this

A battle so huge that it need's it's own minimap to keep track of what's happening.

Contrast again. Solo Jehuty - alone, Army Jehuty - surrounded by comrade's.

I wasn't expecting this as ZOE portrey's it, but I did think we'd have more of a battle on a battlefield, and less of a squad action where the action only delivered more of the same old enemies, just in larger numbers.

Modifié par Redbelle, 15 avril 2013 - 06:46 .