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[RiddickX]

Original Stikman wrote...

Vote

I am going to put my 2 cents and say no

Here is why

A boss shouldn't be able to become lold at because of:

lolstasis
lolsubmission net
lolGPS
lolacolyte
lolbioticchargefalconpunch
lolscorpion
lolLash
lolsingularity
lolJuggHeavyMelee
lolvenom
lolacolyte+Pull
lolacolyte + Flamer (cuz it can't take out a boss in one cast)
lolBallisticBladesFalconPunch
lolbiotichcargeliftgrenade
lolLash
lolreegar
lolfalcon
lolnova
lolAnnihilationfield+throw
lolbiotichammer
lolshadowstrike
lolconcussiveshot
lolphasedisruptor
loladas

Atlases can be killed easily from across a map by lolHurricane, lolShotty/mini-shotty (especially lulzyClaymore-reload-boomstick, lolWraith, even lulzyTalon, etc), some lolpistols and many lolSnipers even on Platinum. Don't forget lolWarp/Throw spam either. Banshees teleport to you so they're not as easy to gun, but they also fall to the warp/throw spam. I see many snipers get into trouble when the phantom swarm rushes them. It sounds like your definition of a boss has more to do with amount of health/shields/barriers/armor. Each player will have a definition of what a boss is though

Modifié par RiddickX, 14 avril 2013 - 07:11 .

[Gamescook]

Phantoms are damn dangerous. I'm scared to look at them for more than a second with how they can basically shoot sniper shots like a Nemesis and at a rapid fire pace like they do.

[Original Twigman]

RiddickX wrote...

Original Stikman wrote...

Vote

I am going to put my 2 cents and say no

Here is why

A boss shouldn't be able to become lold at because of:


Atlases can be killed easily from across a map by lolHurricane, lolShotty/mini-shotty (especially lulzyClaymore-reload-boomstick, lolWraith, even lulzyTalon, etc), some lolpistols and many lolSnipers even on Platinum. Don't forget lolWarp/Throw spam either. Banshees teleport to you so they're not as easy to gun, but they also fall to the warp/throw spam. I see many snipers get into trouble when the phantom swarm rushes them. It sounds like your definition of a boss has more to do with amount of health/shields/barriers/armor. Each player will have a definition of what a boss is though

Response Bold: All of those can be done with any enemy, including phantoms, which makes them all have that common ground, not just unique to phantoms/mooks. What i listed was unique to phantoms/mooks that aren't common with bosses.

Italicized: Warp/throw spam is a seriously innefficient way of taking out bosses, even ones with barrier. I am not going to do the math, but I wouldn't be surprised if it took 5-6+ warp/throw BEs to take out an atlas' shields

Underscore: How do people walk away with this idea based on the list? Its not about health/shields/etc. Its about techniques that completely make them laughable.... like stasis.... you can't stasis a boss.....

Modifié par Original Stikman, 14 avril 2013 - 07:25 .

[Original Twigman]

Star fury wrote...

Looks like you're losing your own poll.

you don't lose unless you are trying to win.

[Original Twigman]

Wolfsbladex wrote...

Most of those reasons you believe about Phantoms would also make Ravager and Dragoons non-boss enemies (to you).

.... you believe ravagers and dragoons are bosses?

[Original Twigman]

Saints944 wrote...

Original Stikman wrote...

Xcam901 wrote...

How do you define boss?
The strongest enemy in health, generally massive?
Or a very deadly enemy who forces you to use all skills that you can learned to counter its numerous attacks?

You are right.... Last night, i mustered all the skills i have learned in an intense effort to kill this one phantom.

I pressed Tactical Cloak, then hit Shadow Strike....

It was an intense battle i soon won't forget

I got one.
I was using a scrubby Fury in this platinum game.
I tend tto have that garbage move AF on her (call me a hipster). 
With special training from a pro monk master hermit from China, I learned a secret style.
I shot my charged acolyte gun at them, hitting two at once!
Then I did my move. I ran up to them both and used throw.
I don't remember what happend after that but patches in my memory show a big purple light.

I am glad we made the pilgrimage to the center of the universe to find this secret

[CHRrOME]

No, A boss is someone who has tons of armor, barrier/shields. Even on host, you can 5 shots (yes, five, because flipping DR) kill that bitc* with the acolyte.

Also, lolmissile

[Ramsutin]

Original Stikman wrote...


You can stasis a phantom.... whether you are a bullet sponge or not... why in the world would you be able to stasis/or subnet a boss?

The Phantoms that have killed me while in stasis bubble would like to disagree.

none the less phantoms are elite mooks, nothing more. Unless on host. **** that.

[sandboxgod]

RoZh2400 wrote...

Seeing as one of the mods called them a sub-boss when explaining some of the mechanics of stasis (forgot which thread, will try to look for it), i would consider them....sub-boss.

Agreed, I have always believed them to be mini-bosses

[CYB3RFR34K]

insta-kill = boss

[RiddickX]

Original Stikman wrote...

RiddickX wrote...

Original Stikman wrote...

Vote

I am going to put my 2 cents and say no

Here is why

A boss shouldn't be able to become lold at because of:


Atlases can be killed easily from across a map by lolHurricane, lolShotty/mini-shotty (especially lulzyClaymore-reload-boomstick, lolWraith, even lulzyTalon, etc), some lolpistols and many lolSnipers even on Platinum. Don't forget lolWarp/Throw spam either. Banshees teleport to you so they're not as easy to gun, but they also fall to the warp/throw spam. I see many snipers get into trouble when the phantom swarm rushes them. It sounds like your definition of a boss has more to do with amount of health/shields/barriers/armor. Each player will have a definition of what a boss is though

Response Bold: All of those can be done with any enemy, including phantoms, which makes them all have that common ground, not just unique to phantoms/mooks. What i listed was unique to phantoms/mooks that aren't common with bosses.

Italicized: Warp/throw spam is a seriously innefficient way of taking out bosses, even ones with barrier. I am not going to do the math, but I wouldn't be surprised if it took 5-6+ warp/throw BEs to take out an atlas' shields

Underscore: How do people walk away with this idea based on the list? Its not about health/shields/etc. Its about techniques that completely make them laughable.... like stasis.... you can't stasis a boss.....

How do people walk away with this idea based on the list? Its not about
health/shields/etc. Its about techniques that completely make them
laughable.... like stasis.... you can't stasis a boss....

You can't stasis a Dragoon either, so is it a boss by that definition? The answer to why I *walk[ed] away with this idea* is because the health/shields... are vastly larger on the units you call bosses. I think everyone might have slightly different definitions of what constitutes a boss, and your poll shows many people think phantoms are actually more of a threat than an atlas. That doesn't make you wrong in any way, though. It's hard to quantify perception of a broad term.

Modifié par RiddickX, 14 avril 2013 - 11:44 .

[alhamel94]

CYB3RFR34K wrote...

insta-kill = boss

therefore geth prime =/ boss

[CitizenThom]

alhamel94 wrote...

CYB3RFR34K wrote...

insta-kill = boss

therefore geth prime =/= boss

Everyone knows the Primes are just a Decoy so that the Pyro bosses (with their flame throwing sniper rifles) and Hunter bosses (Shadowcats) can take you down.

Modifié par CitizenThom, 15 avril 2013 - 01:49 .

[Original Twigman]

RiddickX wrote...

Original Stikman wrote...

RiddickX wrote...

Original Stikman wrote...

Vote

I am going to put my 2 cents and say no

Here is why

A boss shouldn't be able to become lold at because of:


Atlases can be killed easily from across a map by lolHurricane, lolShotty/mini-shotty (especially lulzyClaymore-reload-boomstick, lolWraith, even lulzyTalon, etc), some lolpistols and many lolSnipers even on Platinum. Don't forget lolWarp/Throw spam either. Banshees teleport to you so they're not as easy to gun, but they also fall to the warp/throw spam. I see many snipers get into trouble when the phantom swarm rushes them. It sounds like your definition of a boss has more to do with amount of health/shields/barriers/armor. Each player will have a definition of what a boss is though

Response Bold: All of those can be done with any enemy, including phantoms, which makes them all have that common ground, not just unique to phantoms/mooks. What i listed was unique to phantoms/mooks that aren't common with bosses.

Italicized: Warp/throw spam is a seriously innefficient way of taking out bosses, even ones with barrier. I am not going to do the math, but I wouldn't be surprised if it took 5-6+ warp/throw BEs to take out an atlas' shields

Underscore: How do people walk away with this idea based on the list? Its not about health/shields/etc. Its about techniques that completely make them laughable.... like stasis.... you can't stasis a boss.....

How do people walk away with this idea based on the list? Its not about
health/shields/etc. Its about techniques that completely make them
laughable.... like stasis.... you can't stasis a boss....

You can't stasis a Dragoon either, so is it a boss by that definition? The answer to why I *walk[ed] away with this idea* is because the health/shields... are vastly larger on the units you call bosses. I think everyone might have slightly different definitions of what constitutes a boss, and your poll shows many people think phantoms are actually more of a threat than an atlas. That doesn't make you wrong in any way, though. It's hard to quantify perception of a broad term.

How do people walk away with this idea based on the list? Its not about
health/shields/etc. Its about techniques that completely make them
laughable.... like stasis.... you can't stasis a boss....

I highlited the context for you. It wasn't about stasis..... <_<

[alhamel94]

so you mean bosses cannot be stasised but not everything immune to stasis is a boss, like how an elephant is a mammal but not all mammals are elephants

[RaptorSolutions]

My classification of bosses are how much of a threat I presume them to be. Although tbh none of them can be classified as real bosses anyway.

[MASSKETEER]

I just thought, they have to be bosses. Simply because they don't die when venting starts in the reactor core of firebase reactor hazard.

[Original Twigman]

MASSKETEER wrote...

I just thought, they have to be bosses. Simply because they don't die when venting starts in the reactor core of firebase reactor hazard.

neither do brutes, scions, pyros, ravagers, lolgoons.....

[MASSKETEER]

Original Stikman wrote...

MASSKETEER wrote...

I just thought, they have to be bosses. Simply because they don't die when venting starts in the reactor core of firebase reactor hazard.

neither do brutes, scions, pyros, ravagers, lolgoons.....

 

 Your profound knowledge sync-kills me. Then all are bosses? 

[Arctican]

Phantoms are on a league of their own.

[bogsters23]

i consider them mini-bosses, like brutes, scions, pyros based on the points they give out. for each faction praetorian, atlas, geth prime and banshees give out the most points next to their lieutenants.

[RoZh2400]

Holy necro batman!

Also, one of the devs confirmed that the phantom was NOT a normal unit, during an argument about why cryo blast could not freeze it even if at health bar. Whether this means it's a boss or a miniboss, I don't know how BioWare categorizes, but it is clearly above centurion/marauder/coll.capt/rockettrooper

[JediHarbinger]

Ya got ballz son

[Zero132132]

They're not bosses. Pull can get the kill on them without much trouble, so they can't be bosses.