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[Dr_Extrem]

Maximanimo wrote...

Galbrant wrote...

It's a good mod. Not the perfect mod and nor the one Mass Effect 3 needs. but it's a hundred times better than the pure unrefined garbage that Bioware plagiarized from Deus Ex.

No its a terrible mod.

and the original and ec endings give me cramps.


i have a proposition: 

you dont install it, i dont **** about biowares endings and we all let people make up their own mind about alternative endings.

different people habe different tastes.


most of the "anti-ending-crowd" left and this forum is still toxic and intolerant.

[SpamBot2000]

BHRamsay wrote...

I've been reading posts on BW's forums since the ME's release and read variations on "The plot and story suck" since 2007

Why would I invest the hand-wringing about the ending with anymore validity then the people who hated the first game before they'd reasonably had chance to play it?

Right on, because someone once complained about something unreasonably, it must mean that all complaints in all circumstances are equally invalid. 

Your powers of reasoning have rendered me temporarily speechless.

[Phatose]

MEH....MEHEM trades the current terrible, bittersweet endings for terrible, happier endings.

If that's your thing, go for it. That's cool.

Just please don't come back and tell us about how awesome it is, cause it's just another terrible ending with a higher sugar content.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

Bill Casey wrote...

It makes the ending about the death of Shepard's mentor and father figure, whom he was made to shoot against his own will...

Instead of lumping all synthetics together, treating them like technology and asking you to solve the "synthetics problem" with themes that are fundamentally racist and antithetical to Mass Effect...

As opposed to organic, which they are not??

[Bill Casey]

As opposed to treating organics like meat...

[Phatose]

They never do actually so much as acknowledge that organic is a form of chemistry and synthetic implies created by sapient organisms, meaning you can have an organic-synthetic.

Probably because people would get real pissed when they realized that Miranda was as dead as the Geth.

[BHRamsay]

SpamBot2000 wrote...

BHRamsay wrote...

I've been reading posts on BW's forums since the ME's release and read variations on "The plot and story suck" since 2007

Why would I invest the hand-wringing about the ending with anymore validity then the people who hated the first game before they'd reasonably had chance to play it?

Right on, because someone once complained about something unreasonably, it must mean that all complaints in all circumstances are equally invalid. 

Your powers of reasoning have rendered me temporarily speechless.

I suspect moments of quiet reflection are few and far between for you. But please tell me, when exactly does"the plot and story suck"become a reasonable argument instead of incoherent caterwhauling

Modifié par BHRamsay, 14 avril 2013 - 07:14 .

[teh DRUMPf!!]

Bill Casey wrote...

As opposed to treating organics like meat...

Organics come from the same compounds as meat does.

If Destroy targetted "meat," we'd probably be screwed.

[Archonsg]

Phatose wrote...

They never do actually so much as acknowledge that organic is a form of chemistry and synthetic implies created by sapient organisms, meaning you can have an organic-synthetic.

Probably because people would get real pissed when they realized that Miranda was as dead as the Geth.

I was wondering why no one is willing too pick up on that.
Miranda is by
defiation a synthesized organic lifeform.
She wasn't "born" nor created naturally but a being created in a lab, genetically modified as one might custom build a car (yes, what a ride) or Tool.

So why is Miranda's circumstances different from the Geth or Edi?

[teh DRUMPf!!]

Archonsg wrote...

Phatose wrote...

They never do actually so much as acknowledge that organic is a form of chemistry and synthetic implies created by sapient organisms, meaning you can have an organic-synthetic.

Probably because people would get real pissed when they realized that Miranda was as dead as the Geth.

I was wondering why no one is willing too pick up on that.
Miranda is by
defiation a synthesized organic lifeform.
She wasn't "born" nor created naturally but a being created in a lab, genetically modified as one might custom build a car (yes, what a ride) or Tool.

So why is Miranda's circumstances different from the Geth or Edi?

EC said something down the lines of "all technology you rely on will be targetted."

Miranda is not composed from working robot-parts, she's made from... "meat" (to use the lousy analogy above).

So yeah, she's not targetted. Apparently neither are most cyborg life, either (meat = protective shield??).

[Bill Casey]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

As opposed to treating organics like meat...

Organics come from the same compounds as meat does.

If Destroy targetted "meat," we'd probably be screwed.

That has nothing to do with what I was saying...
You don't treat people like meat or technology...
The ending does...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 14 avril 2013 - 07:39 .

[MegaSovereign]

Bill Casey wrote...

HYR 2.0 wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

As opposed to treating organics like meat...

Organics come from the same compounds as meat does.

If Destroy targetted "meat," we'd probably be screwed.

That has nothing to do with what I was saying...
You don't treat people like meat or technology...
The ending does...

I didn't know weapons of mass destruction function on a racially friendly agenda.

[SpamBot2000]

BHRamsay wrote...

SpamBot2000 wrote...

BHRamsay wrote...

I've been reading posts on BW's forums since the ME's release and read variations on "The plot and story suck" since 2007

Why would I invest the hand-wringing about the ending with anymore validity then the people who hated the first game before they'd reasonably had chance to play it?

Right on, because someone once complained about something unreasonably, it must mean that all complaints in all circumstances are equally invalid. 

Your powers of reasoning have rendered me temporarily speechless.

I suspect moments of quiet reflection are few and far between for you. But please tell me, when exactly does"the plot and story suck"become a reasonable argument instead of incoherent caterwhauling

Maybe around the time when it is stated how and why the plot and the story suck? 

[teh DRUMPf!!]

Bill Casey wrote...

HYR 2.0 wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

As opposed to treating organics like meat...

Organics come from the same compounds as meat does.

If Destroy targetted "meat," we'd probably be screwed.

That has nothing to do with what I was saying...

You're just dramatizing what need not be dramatized per usual. Destroy treats them the same as all tech because they're all composed from the same thing.

If Destroy released a toxin that killed all organic-compounds, it's not some racist hidden-message that "organics are all just meat!" It's just an arbitrary mechanic of the decision.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

MegaSovereign wrote...

I didn't know weapons of mass destruction function on a racially friendly agenda.

And EMPs work the way they do because they're racist.

They're pro-human and discriminate against synthetics.

[spockjedi]

Phatose wrote...

MEH....MEHEM trades the current terrible, bittersweet endings for terrible, happier endings.

If that's your thing, go for it. That's cool.

Just please don't come back and tell us about how awesome it is, cause it's just another terrible ending with a higher sugar content.

At least you don't need to see the idiotic CatalyStalin.

[BHRamsay]

SpamBot2000 wrote...

Maybe around the time when it is stated how and why the plot and the story suck? 

Which would take us back to ME and complaints about inconsistant  plot, story, character, pacing and the "emotionally manipulative and completly unnecessary" death of Jenkins

[Dr_Extrem]

BHRamsay wrote...

SpamBot2000 wrote...

Maybe around the time when it is stated how and why the plot and the story suck? 

Which would take us back to ME and complaints about inconsistant  plot, story, character, pacing and the "emotionally manipulative and completly unnecessary" death of Jenkins

jenkins death had a reason.

it gave you the first chance to decide, what kind of leader your shepard is and how he/she reacts on the unknown. it showed the remorselessness of the geth and their technological superiority - it is important to get sheps ass into cover to avoid certain death.

and last but not least, his death made room for ash - it would not have made sense to introduce a character as a "tour guide" and dump her and her interesting introduction and background to keep jenkins. AND the plot demanded a female crewmember.

[Bill Casey]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

You're just dramatizing what need not be dramatized per usual. Destroy treats them the same as all tech because they're all composed from the same thing.

If Destroy released a toxin that killed all organic-compounds, it's not some racist hidden-message that "organics are all just meat!" It's just an arbitrary mechanic of the decision.

The game says absolutely nothing about the ethics of controlling the reapers...
They are treated like technology and compared to the mass relays...

Paragon Shepard's response to why we shouldn't control the reapers is "because we're not ready"...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 14 avril 2013 - 08:23 .

[SpamBot2000]

BHRamsay wrote...

SpamBot2000 wrote...

Maybe around the time when it is stated how and why the plot and the story suck? 

Which would take us back to ME and complaints about inconsistant  plot, story, character, pacing and the "emotionally manipulative and completly unnecessary" death of Jenkins

...

OK, so let's try this... If you hear criticism, you might attempt to understand what the words mean and evaluate whether you find it accurate. You don't have to find an early example and judge all subsequent criticism by that one. You will find the concept of criticism makes more sense this way.

[FlamingBoy]

Dr_Extrem wrote...

Maximanimo wrote...

Galbrant wrote...

It's a good mod. Not the perfect mod and nor the one Mass Effect 3 needs. but it's a hundred times better than the pure unrefined garbage that Bioware plagiarized from Deus Ex.

No its a terrible mod.

and the original and ec endings give me cramps.


i have a proposition: 

you dont install it, i dont **** about biowares endings and we all let people make up their own mind about alternative endings.

different people habe different tastes.


most of the "anti-ending-crowd" left and this forum is still toxic and intolerant.

because the "pro- ending crownd" is full of butterflys and sunshine

Honestly the problem is with both groups and a middle ground must be found, thats said I seen people on this forums from both sides whose posts are beyond reproach.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

Bill Casey wrote...

The game says absolutely nothing about the ethics of controlling the reapers...

Yes it does. The Catalyst protests being controlled by Shepard, but says it's Shepard's choice nonetheless

It all but invites the player to consider the morality of doing so.

And you're not fooling me by raising ethical concerns for the Reapers. IT supporters have 0 concern for that.

Modifié par HYR 2.0, 14 avril 2013 - 08:46 .

[SiriusXI]

Maximanimo wrote...

Galbrant wrote...

It's a good mod. Not the perfect mod and nor the one Mass Effect 3 needs. but it's a hundred times better than the pure unrefined garbage that Bioware plagiarized from Deus Ex.

No its a terrible mod.

No, your judgement is terrible. And you are terrible. Seriously. people supporting these piece of sh*t endings are worse than the endings themselves.

[NovaBlastMarketing]

Galbrant wrote...

It's a good mod. Not the perfect mod and nor the one Mass Effect 3 needs. but it's a hundred times better than the pure unrefined garbage that Bioware plagiarized from Deus Ex.

I  never played Deus Ex    but agree with   good mod    pure unrefined garbage when   refering  to the endings  my favorite term is EPIC Fail.

IMO  every game needs to  have a  "Perfect Happy Ending"   you can achieve.  

 If they want to add one where the main character sacrifices  themself  or  otherwise dies in a dramatic, dark, edgy , artistic bittersweet manor like  the ME3 endings and then everyone gathers around for touching funeral while the li and friends  weeps ....  ...have some path that allows that to

 ...there  everyone is happy now. 

ME3  almost  makes me want to wait till there are you tube videos "read the last page of the book"  to see  if its going to be worth the journey.

Modifié par NovaBlastMarketing, 14 avril 2013 - 09:51 .

[NovaBlastMarketing]

Maximanimo wrote...

Galbrant wrote...

It's a good mod. Not the perfect mod and nor the one Mass Effect 3 needs. but it's a hundred times better than the pure unrefined garbage that Bioware plagiarized from Deus Ex.

No its a terrible mod.

Your opinion  ..one i stongly disagree with 

Modifié par NovaBlastMarketing, 14 avril 2013 - 09:45 .