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[BHRamsay]

SpamBot2000 wrote...

OK, so let's try this... If you hear criticism, you migt attempt to understand what the words mean and evaluate whether you find it accurate. You don't have to find an early example and judge all subsequent criticism by that one. You will find the concept of criticism makes more sense this way.

And if the criticism ever evolved much beyond the same basic tirades and  arguments over and over I'd be less jaded but it  hasn't so I am

[Reorte]

BHRamsay wrote...

SpamBot2000 wrote...

OK, so let's try this... If you hear criticism, you migt attempt to understand what the words mean and evaluate whether you find it accurate. You don't have to find an early example and judge all subsequent criticism by that one. You will find the concept of criticism makes more sense this way.

And if the criticism ever evolved much beyond the same basic tirades and  arguments over and over I'd be less jaded but it  hasn't so I am

Sometimes people keep repeating that the sky is blue because it is.

[NovaBlastMarketing]

Reorte wrote...

BHRamsay wrote...

SpamBot2000 wrote...

OK, so let's try this... If you hear criticism, you migt attempt to understand what the words mean and evaluate whether you find it accurate. You don't have to find an early example and judge all subsequent criticism by that one. You will find the concept of criticism makes more sense this way.

And if the criticism ever evolved much beyond the same basic tirades and  arguments over and over I'd be less jaded but it  hasn't so I am

Sometimes people keep repeating that the sky is blue because it is.

+1  but some  people don't  see the ending  as   IMO the Epic Fail Blue  because they  like the dark edgy   bittersweet   dramatic  .$%^&  

What I dont get  is why they haveto  hate on a solution that does not  effect their game  at all.

Modifié par NovaBlastMarketing, 14 avril 2013 - 10:08 .

[BHRamsay]

NovaBlastMarketing wrote...

+1  but some  people don't  see the ending  as   IMO the Epic Fail Blue  because they  like the dark edgy   bittersweet   dramatic  .$%^&  

What I dont get  is why they haveto  hate on a solution that does not  effect their game  at all.

That would be the infamous chicken-egg scenario I'll wager 90% of the "Bioware Defense Force" started out as people who simply like the games and perceive themselves to be denigrated and criticised simply for defending that point of view

[RukiaKuchki]

I have only watched it on YouTube, but I can appreciate the skill and passion that went into producing it. It's also a perfect demonstration of why Bioware make games and not us... because it's horribly cliched and non-sensical. If the game had ended like that, with no attempt at explanation of the origin of the Reapers and the reasoning behind their methods, I would have been horribly disappointed rather than confused, as I was pre-EC. It's lazy fan fiction and not for me, but each to their own.

[FlamingBoy]

BHRamsay wrote...

NovaBlastMarketing wrote...

+1  but some  people don't  see the ending  as   IMO the Epic Fail Blue  because they  like the dark edgy   bittersweet   dramatic  .$%^&  

What I dont get  is why they haveto  hate on a solution that does not  effect their game  at all.

That would be the infamous chicken-egg scenario I'll wager 90% of the "Bioware Defense Force" started out as people who simply like the games and perceive themselves to be denigrated and criticised simply for defending that point of view

To imply (not sure if intentional or unintentional) that the "ending attack force" hasn't recieved its share of abuse from the "defence force" is disingenious.
Just today I have read posts calling me (as collectively) entitled half wit, immature, and mentally unstable. These comments are not defending a point of view its an attempt to discredit a large group of gamers simply because they criticise a game.

We are all people who "simply like games' and we are all passionate about mass effect
Every
Single
One
Of
Us


Let no one on either side mistake that

[BHRamsay]

FlamingBoy wrote...

BHRamsay wrote...

NovaBlastMarketing wrote...

+1  but some  people don't  see the ending  as   IMO the Epic Fail Blue  because they  like the dark edgy   bittersweet   dramatic  .$%^&  

What I dont get  is why they haveto  hate on a solution that does not  effect their game  at all.

That would be the infamous chicken-egg scenario I'll wager 90% of the "Bioware Defense Force" started out as people who simply like the games and perceive themselves to be denigrated and criticised simply for defending that point of view

To imply (not sure if intentional or unintentional) that the "ending attack force" hasn't recieved its share of abuse from the "defence force" is disingenious.
Just today I have read posts calling me (as collectively) entitled half wit, immature, and mentally unstable. These comments are not defending a point of view its an attempt to discredit a large group of gamers simply because they criticise a game.

We are all people who "simply like games' and we are all passionate about mass effect
Every
Single
One
Of
Us


Let no one on either side mistake that

Even Smudboy?

[WarrantyVoider]

Its not that we dont think about the haters too! thats why theres an mod for them too now, if anyone wants the installer, just pm me ;P



greetz WV

Modifié par WarrantyVoider, 14 avril 2013 - 11:30 .

[FlamingBoy]

BHRamsay wrote...

FlamingBoy wrote...

BHRamsay wrote...

NovaBlastMarketing wrote...

+1  but some  people don't  see the ending  as   IMO the Epic Fail Blue  because they  like the dark edgy   bittersweet   dramatic  .$%^&  

What I dont get  is why they haveto  hate on a solution that does not  effect their game  at all.

That would be the infamous chicken-egg scenario I'll wager 90% of the "Bioware Defense Force" started out as people who simply like the games and perceive themselves to be denigrated and criticised simply for defending that point of view

To imply (not sure if intentional or unintentional) that the "ending attack force" hasn't recieved its share of abuse from the "defence force" is disingenious.
Just today I have read posts calling me (as collectively) entitled half wit, immature, and mentally unstable. These comments are not defending a point of view its an attempt to discredit a large group of gamers simply because they criticise a game.

We are all people who "simply like games' and we are all passionate about mass effect
Every
Single
One
Of
Us


Let no one on either side mistake that

Even Smudboy?

Not familiar with the work of smudboy

Unless your suggesting he did not start out as some one who was passionate about videogames, Then yes it still applies. Shockingly in that regard you share common ground
Like every one on this forum

[NovaBlastMarketing]

BHRamsay wrote...

NovaBlastMarketing wrote...

+1  but some  people don't  see the ending  as   IMO the Epic Fail Blue  because they  like the dark edgy   bittersweet   dramatic  .$%^&  

What I dont get  is why they haveto  hate on a solution that does not  effect their game  at all.

That would be the infamous chicken-egg scenario I'll wager 90% of the "Bioware Defense Force" started out as people who simply like the games and perceive themselves to be denigrated and criticised simply for defending that point of view

I think it always been  both ways   personally from the start  :

The endings were not  well received  right from the start so  that  caused a rift right away.,

Then  you have the  various  groups   within the endings fighting amongst themselves ,  

Then you have

 romance vrs anti romance ,  

whcih ME is the best ,  

What makes a good game  ,

what makes a good story ,

etc etc etc   every topic   has its   pro and con  people  ... thats just life.


The one thing i have  learned is there is no shortage of  people saying "your wrong"  on either side  on various subjects. 

When you think about  it  everything above  plus 

What type  of game   ME  is supposed to be  ( rpg vrs shooter) 

Characters

even the "essence"  of  what  ME as a game is all about  is all about. IMO  ("its  a story about killing reapers ")  is  not the only way of thinking about it.


The point is everything possible about the game  already has been debated over and over  and over again .... there are no "new  topics"  anymore    just  the same  horses  that have been beaten so much  all they are  in  an indistinguishable piles of smush.,


I wonder  why i bother sometimes .  Its  getting stale and boring . 

It  not  like  anything  is ever  going to be solved because the cold hard reality  is  everything above is subjective.

Despite what some posters think there  are no right opinions or answersto the above topics or  the majority of what is  posted in here


I feel everything I have to say has already been said yet like everyone else on this board I keep coming back to repeat myself and continue turning horses into smush.


I bet  somone will even disagree with this  post . It is the never ending cyle of life.

Modifié par NovaBlastMarketing, 14 avril 2013 - 02:15 .

[spockjedi]

MEHEM removes the CatalyStalin. What else do you people want?

[Wayning_Star]

I kind of doubt that the OP never heard of it..

[NovaBlastMarketing]

Wayning_Star wrote...

I kind of doubt that the OP never heard of it..

 I dont think the op ever intened this to be a "discussion"  thread they were just asking a simple  question as the op stated it was answered to thier satisfaction.

QU33N_ANG3L wrote...

thanks guys ill check em out :-)

Modifié par NovaBlastMarketing, 14 avril 2013 - 02:28 .

[Wayning_Star]

NovaBlastMarketing wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

I kind of doubt that the OP never heard of it..

 I dont think the op ever intened this to be a "discussion"  thread they were just asking a simple  question as the op stated it was answered to thier satisfaction.

QU33N_ANG3L wrote...

thanks guys ill check em out :-)

they must not get out much? lol

[Seival]

These MEHEM threads became very annoying. As annoying as IT threads in fact.

I think public MEHEM discussions should be prohibited and moved to groups, just like IT discussions.

[robertthebard]

Seival wrote...

These MEHEM threads became very annoying. As annoying as IT threads in fact.

I think public MEHEM discussions should be prohibited and moved to groups, just like IT discussions.

Or at the very least moved to the headcanon forum: http://social.biowar...egory/368/index

[SpamBot2000]

And I think Seival should be moved to a Totalitarianism Fan Forum. I'd just rather not keep crying to the mods about it.

[Soultaker08]

SpamBot2000 wrote...

And I think Seival should be moved to a Totalitarianism Fan Forum. I'd just rather not keep crying to the mods about it.

cute

[MegaSovereign]

RukiaKuchki wrote...

I have only watched it on YouTube, but I can appreciate the skill and passion that went into producing it. It's also a perfect demonstration of why Bioware make games and not us... because it's horribly cliched and non-sensical. If the game had ended like that, with no attempt at explanation of the origin of the Reapers and the reasoning behind their methods, I would have been horribly disappointed rather than confused, as I was pre-EC. It's lazy fan fiction and not for me, but each to their own.

Yea I agree. The current EC endngs are far from perfect but I prefer that over MEHEM.

As far as fan fiction goes, it's not THAT bad. I've read/watched far worse ending ideas.

[Iakus]

MegaSovereign wrote...

Yea I agree. The current EC endngs are far from perfect but I prefer that over MEHEM.

As far as fan fiction goes, it's not THAT bad. I've read/watched far worse ending ideas.

That's the wonderful thing about having choices:  People can choose teh ending they prefer.  Bioware would do well to remember that.  Or relearn it as the case may be.

[Reorte]

MegaSovereign wrote...

RukiaKuchki wrote...

I have only watched it on YouTube, but I can appreciate the skill and passion that went into producing it. It's also a perfect demonstration of why Bioware make games and not us... because it's horribly cliched and non-sensical. If the game had ended like that, with no attempt at explanation of the origin of the Reapers and the reasoning behind their methods, I would have been horribly disappointed rather than confused, as I was pre-EC. It's lazy fan fiction and not for me, but each to their own.

Yea I agree. The current EC endngs are far from perfect but I prefer that over MEHEM.

As far as fan fiction goes, it's not THAT bad. I've read/watched far worse ending ideas.

Those are, I suppose, issues. Unfortunately the official version was even worse (and not having an explanation of the Reapers isn't necessarily a bad thing). Is it always better to get an explanation, no matter how bad, than none at all? Lesser of two evils with MEHEM IMO. There's only so much MEHEM has to work with. As for the cliche bit it's actually very little different from straightforward Destroy once you remove the Catalyst nonsense so I'm not sure what that complaint is about .

Modifié par Reorte, 14 avril 2013 - 05:41 .

[MegaSovereign]

Reorte wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

RukiaKuchki wrote...

I have only watched it on YouTube, but I can appreciate the skill and passion that went into producing it. It's also a perfect demonstration of why Bioware make games and not us... because it's horribly cliched and non-sensical. If the game had ended like that, with no attempt at explanation of the origin of the Reapers and the reasoning behind their methods, I would have been horribly disappointed rather than confused, as I was pre-EC. It's lazy fan fiction and not for me, but each to their own.

Yea I agree. The current EC endngs are far from perfect but I prefer that over MEHEM.

As far as fan fiction goes, it's not THAT bad. I've read/watched far worse ending ideas.

Those are, I suppose, issues. Unfortunately the official version was even worse (and not having an explanation of the Reapers isn't necessarily a bad thing). Is it always better to get an explanation, no matter how bad, than none at all? Lesser of two evils with MEHEM IMO. There's only so much MEHEM has to work with. As for the cliche bit it's actually very little different from straightforward Destroy once you remove the Catalyst nonsense so I'm not sure what that complaint is about .

There's nothing terribly wrong with the current explanation. The Reapers are a mistake. And that's a GOOD thing.

What would have been crap is if something as horrible as the Reapers are needed to keep the galaxy intact, like the dark energy build up. Another thing that would have been crap is to keep the motivations ambiguous. It's terrible cop out that would only serve to give the Reapers some pseudo-religious tone.

Not that it matters, unless the MEHEM blocks out Leviathan, the Reaper's origins are still alluded to be the product of a mistake.

Modifié par MegaSovereign, 14 avril 2013 - 05:55 .

[Dr_Extrem]

BHRamsay wrote...

FlamingBoy wrote...

BHRamsay wrote...

NovaBlastMarketing wrote...

+1  but some  people don't  see the ending  as   IMO the Epic Fail Blue  because they  like the dark edgy   bittersweet   dramatic  .$%^&  

What I dont get  is why they haveto  hate on a solution that does not  effect their game  at all.

That would be the infamous chicken-egg scenario I'll wager 90% of the "Bioware Defense Force" started out as people who simply like the games and perceive themselves to be denigrated and criticised simply for defending that point of view

To imply (not sure if intentional or unintentional) that the "ending attack force" hasn't recieved its share of abuse from the "defence force" is disingenious.
Just today I have read posts calling me (as collectively) entitled half wit, immature, and mentally unstable. These comments are not defending a point of view its an attempt to discredit a large group of gamers simply because they criticise a game.

We are all people who "simply like games' and we are all passionate about mass effect
Every
Single
One
Of
Us


Let no one on either side mistake that

Even Smudboy?

imo, smudboy is one of those people, who love games and mass effect more than most people. if you are not invested in something, you dont take the time to rip everything apart (that does not make sense) in detail and with his dedication.

have you ever seen his clips on mass effect 1? ... he found some loops and problems but he really liked that game. he criticises the game, because he loves mass effect and gets cramps whenever he sees this universe getting hurt by its own creators.

[Dr_Extrem]

MegaSovereign wrote...

Reorte wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

RukiaKuchki wrote...

I have only watched it on YouTube, but I can appreciate the skill and passion that went into producing it. It's also a perfect demonstration of why Bioware make games and not us... because it's horribly cliched and non-sensical. If the game had ended like that, with no attempt at explanation of the origin of the Reapers and the reasoning behind their methods, I would have been horribly disappointed rather than confused, as I was pre-EC. It's lazy fan fiction and not for me, but each to their own.

Yea I agree. The current EC endngs are far from perfect but I prefer that over MEHEM.

As far as fan fiction goes, it's not THAT bad. I've read/watched far worse ending ideas.

Those are, I suppose, issues. Unfortunately the official version was even worse (and not having an explanation of the Reapers isn't necessarily a bad thing). Is it always better to get an explanation, no matter how bad, than none at all? Lesser of two evils with MEHEM IMO. There's only so much MEHEM has to work with. As for the cliche bit it's actually very little different from straightforward Destroy once you remove the Catalyst nonsense so I'm not sure what that complaint is about .

There's nothing terribly wrong with the current explanation. The Reapers are a mistake. And that's a GOOD thing.

What would have been crap is if something as horrible as the Reapers are needed to keep the galaxy intact, like the dark energy build up. Another thing that would have been crap is to keep the motivations ambiguous. It's terrible cop out that would only serve to give the Reapers some pseudo-religious tone.

Not that it matters, unless the MEHEM blocks out Leviathan, the Reaper's origins are still alluded to be the product of a mistake.

the leviathan content is untouched by the mod. only the 2 lines from the catalyst scene are gone. thats all.

my problem with the original/ec explanation is, that it feels artificial and made up. imo, it was not thought to the end and too many questions are left unanswered and even new ones pop up. in cases like this, i prefer not to get an explanation at all and let the ingame-galaxy speculate about that.

calling the mehem a cliché is in fact right. its the classical "the hero survives against all odds" - cliché ... but the original ending is as "bad" ... the "the hero sacrifices him/herself for the greater good" - cliché is as old and cheesy as the survivor one. it boils down to personal taste.

[MegaSovereign]

Continually asking for details that don't need to be spoon-fed to you is not proper critique. Insulting the creators and anyone who likes the game(s) is not a form of tough love. Smudboy videos are not the product of passion. He's not even looking for a good debate (believe me I've tried to engage him but he blocked me). He's looking for one big, pseudo-intellectual circle jerk.

But this is exactly what he wants. He wants a reputation and I feel like a tool for even talking about him.

EDIT:

This wasn't a reply to the post above.

Modifié par MegaSovereign, 14 avril 2013 - 06:20 .